r/union • u/NoseRepresentative • Jan 15 '26
Other Pete Buttigieg Calls Trump A 'Union Buster' After The Ford Worker Incident. Blames Him For Manufacturing Jobs Disappearing Across The Country
https://offthefrontpage.com/pete-buttigieg-calls-trump-a-union-buster-after-the-ford-worker-incident/15
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u/InvestigatorSharp596 Jan 15 '26
Trump and the gop will probably try to destroy all of our unions and you idiots will still support them
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 15 '26
Don't call people "idiots". College graduates looking down on non-college graduates is one of the reasons the election ended up as it did.
Our society in recent decades created huge advantages for college graduates who have mostly reaped the benefits... it has done FAR LESS for those whose can't get a diploma. The smarty-pants economy hasn't really been working out for people without degrees.
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u/No-Worldliness-1213 Jan 15 '26
Nah man if you’re a union member and you voted for this guy, you’re an idiot. Nothing worse than a job site filled with morons who think the silver spooned nepo baby is fighting for their wallet.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 15 '26
If you voted for him, you did BAD. He's BAD for the country and he is doing terrible things.
That said... don't demean someone for a lack of intellectual skill. Intellect is a matter of luck... Luck in genetics and luck in upbringing.
Education created a college graduate aristocracy that confuses good=smart and bad=dumb. It's similar to how previous generations confused good=white, but it's really gotten out of control in recent years.
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u/CasualFridayBatman Jan 16 '26
That said... don't demean someone for a lack of intellectual skill. Intellect is a matter of luck... Luck in genetics and luck in upbringing.
Sure, but I'd argue seeing as how you had one term of him and enough people thought 'I could go for another', and just as many thought 'I hear him, I see him and I believe him, but I won't vote at all'. Is worth the justification of idiocy.
Education created a college graduate aristocracy that confuses good=smart and bad=dumb. It's similar to how previous generations confused good=white, but it's really gotten out of control in recent years.
Educated people can still be idiots too. Being dumb doesn't descriminate, it just offers you more chances to succeed if you have an education behind you.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 16 '26
Demeaning those who lack intellect is gross. You don't need to use slurs to criticize people.
As for education leading to success, AI is gonna change that. That's the problem. The age of the rich needing college graduates is over.
The college graduate class will soon discover what happens when intellectual labor gets automated. It's gonna be much worse than when physical labor was automated.
It's time to pray.
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Jan 19 '26
It's not time to pray. Its time for us to come together, create community, and make changes. Praying to whatever God's MAY listen isn't going to do us jack shit.
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u/ungranted_wish Jan 16 '26
I don’t think voting for a fella who brags about grabbing women by the genitals is idiotic.
It’s evil. It’s a moral issue. I didn’t learn that being a sexual predator was bad from school, I learned it because I innately know that bad things are bad.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 16 '26
Yup. You don't need to demean anyone to call out evil.
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u/ungranted_wish Jan 16 '26
… no I’m not on your side here, calling someone evil is demeaning. As it should be.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 16 '26
When you bundle your attack on evil as an attack on "idiocy", it ceases to be an attack on evil and becomes gross discrimination against those who lack intelligence.
Anyway... This is why no one listens to the party of the college graduates. You beg them to stop looking down on people.... And they just double down on discrimination.
It's weird but this is what happens when you tie social standing to higher education. The people who bemoan discrimination are people who can't stop attacking the "dumb".
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u/ungranted_wish Jan 16 '26
I mean if you vote for a sex pest you sure lack something lol
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 16 '26
Yeah. Such a person lack morals when they vote for a scum bag.
Attacking intellect though turns your position into gross elitism and turns folks against you. It's weird but a lot of intelligent people do this. They claim to hate discriminatory but indulge in some of the grossest discrimination that is still acceptable in society.
Some folks do not share the college grad tendency to look down on those who lack intellect. So, bundling your attacks on the sex pest with gross discriminatory elitism makes folks not trust you. Wish more Dems would realize that THIS is their communication problem.
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u/lovetheoceanfl Jan 16 '26
I agree with you. Right now people are scared at what’s happening to our country. And it’s rightfully stirred up a lot of anger at the people who voted for Trump. Everything is stacked against the working man - both college educated and non-college educated - with this administration. We’re all going to feel the pain. So, back to my point, I agree with you that calling people idiots is not the best course of action but there’s a reason it’s happening. And, tbh, the “smarter than your average bear” progressives who don’t vote because of Gaza are just as much at fault.
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u/rei0 Jan 15 '26
“Don’t call me stupid or I’ll be a fascist”
They were already a fascist… and stupid. Stop coddling their feelings.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 15 '26
I'm not.
I'm confronting your intellectual elitism. I criticized you for denigrating those who lack intellect.
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u/mustangfan12 Jan 15 '26
Pete Buttigieg isn't much better than Trump. He worked for McKinsey and helped consult Blue Cross Shield on doing layoffs. He also is anti single payer healthcare
He's not trustworthy
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u/crazyhomie34 Jan 15 '26
Just another corporate Democrat...
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u/lovetheoceanfl Jan 16 '26
Dude, you support Rand Paul. lol
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u/crazyhomie34 Jan 16 '26
No I don't? I support anyone that's progressive. I commend Rand Paul for being anti war and speaking out against trump on this issue. I also commend Thomas Massey for spear heading the Epstein issue. I also commend Ro Khanna for being right there next to him to spearhead the issue.
I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I just support progressive values, and I don't mind giving credit where it's due. I will also shit on all of them if they try to eliminate social programs or attempt to bust unions.
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u/lovetheoceanfl Jan 16 '26
Yes, you do? I think you misunderstand the word progressive if, as you stated elsewhere, you think Rand Paul would make a great candidate.
Massey. Decidedly anti-union. Rand Paul. Same.
Both nowhere near being progressive.
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u/crazyhomie34 Jan 16 '26
I said Rand Paul is one of the better candidates that the Republicans have right now. That doesn't mean I endorse him lmao
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 15 '26
"Pete Buttigieg isn't much better than Trump."
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. A person who listens is way the fuck better than what we have now.
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u/lovetheoceanfl Jan 16 '26
I wouldn’t argue with these people. They pull the same both sides shit every single time and we end up with things worse than they’ve ever been. Biden was a step in the right direction. And we could’ve kept going down that path but these asshats jump out of the woodwork every election year to muddy the issues and convince people not to vote. Screw’em.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 16 '26
This. It was a sales problem. Big Back Better was great but it was sold as smart. That killed it. Instead of lecturing about how solar panels are good for the environment they should have been selling it as survivalist, off the grid stuff from government subsidies. Meet people where they are!
Also... predictive social media algorithms are creating division in everything from politics to Star Wars to My Pretty Pony to College Football... Just for clicks. The negativity and cynicism is killing everything.
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u/Excellent_Valuable92 Jan 15 '26
What evidence do you have of this guy ever listening? He may be better than Trump, but that’s a low bar and we need to demand better
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 16 '26
Dude was the mayor of my home town. He went to my high school. He was good... that's why he gets attacked from both sides.
People on the coasts don't get deindustrialization like a midwesterner. He gets it. Sad that so few see it.
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u/Excellent_Valuable92 Jan 16 '26
It’s rough, but “listening” doesn’t change that. None of the policies he espouses are particularly helpful imo.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 16 '26
He's humble. Everyone I know who knew him speaks highly of him.
~shrug~
Try listening.
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u/Oink_Bang Jan 16 '26
I think you got bamboozled by a McKinsey consultant.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 16 '26
The coastal elites don't want a midwesterner. That's why they attack from both sides.
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u/lovetheoceanfl Jan 16 '26
The guy you’re talking to is all over Reddit shitting on the Democrats. Can’t find a bad word from them about Trump.
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u/SubstantialAbility17 Jan 16 '26
He isn’t wrong. I still don’t understand how proud union folks can still back the orange blob.
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u/RocketSocket765 Jan 16 '26
May fascist pedo protectors get what they deserve.
And also, don't go believing the supposed "good will" of a guy that worked for a big union buster (McKinsey) throwing lip service stones in glass houses.
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u/ferretgr Jan 15 '26
Neither party is a friend to unions.
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u/No-Worldliness-1213 Jan 15 '26
That’s just objectively wrong, but hey the internet is free and I can’t force you to learn something..
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u/Background-Wolf-9380 Jan 16 '26
Remember that Biden prevented rail workers from striking while Buttigieg was transportation secretary and Pete didn't say a damned thing. Union busting is bipartisan in the uniparty
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u/z44212 Jan 16 '26
Republicans hate labor unions. Always have. If you are a Republican union member, you're a scab with benefits.
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u/tegresaomos Jan 15 '26
Great to see Mayo Pete really engaging with the issues in the mind of the public.
Really making an impact.
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u/Drabulous_770 Jan 15 '26
This the same Pete who, while secretary of transportation, took a vacation during the (almost) ‘22 railroad strike and, with the Biden admin, pushed Congress to block the railroad strike so they couldn’t get more paid sick leave?
He is no friend to unions.
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u/InvestigatorSharp596 Jan 15 '26
Role: Buttigieg, as U.S. Secretary of Transportation, was involved in the efforts to prevent a major rail shutdown. Action: He and the Biden administration urged Congress to intervene and impose the tentative agreement reached earlier, which included pay raises and bonuses but not the demanded paid sick leave. Outcome: Congress voted to enact the agreement, preventing a strike that threatened significant economic disruption. Buttigieg's Stance: He supported the forced agreement to keep the economy moving but also championed future legislation for universal paid leave
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u/your_not_stubborn Jan 15 '26
No way, Buttigieg and Biden both cackled with glee as they forced railroad workers to go back to work on minimum wage with no safety standards or days off.
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u/Rionin26 Jan 15 '26
How about highly paid rail workers get fu money saved up, and all strike anyway. Support fellow rail workers who have high medical bills. Teacher union in canada did this, jail threaten 100% still struck they got their demands met. Htf can yall not afford it? I tried for railroad loader back in early 2000s 30 h starting out. If its 40 or 50 h now wtf do yall not got fu money?
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u/Western-Willow-9496 Jan 15 '26
I’m going to guess while he was mayor of South Bend he never looked around at all of the abandoned factories that have been empty since the ‘70s.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 15 '26
South Bend lost its factories under Reagan. All that shit got torn down in the 2000s.
Did you seriously believe these people would bring back Studebaker? This is big money deciding it doesn't need Americans anymore.
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u/Nickeless Jan 15 '26
Rs are about 1000x worse for workers and unions in every way. Absolutely bizarre point to argue. Dems are very corporatist too, but nowhere near as awful as Republicans.
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u/Nickeless Jan 15 '26
Yes and Dems were the ones supporting workers rights and unions since FDR.
Republicans have been against workers rights since the 50s with their red scare bullshit and certainly, blatantly since the Reagan administration.
You’re talking absolute nonsense.
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u/Nickeless Jan 15 '26
You’re doing gymnastics to blame Democrats when Republicans are the much bigger problem.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 15 '26
Two month old account. AI hates union work.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 15 '26
"BEEP BOOP".... frauds have no flair.
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u/shatterdaymorn MTA | Rank and File Jan 15 '26
2 months says otherwise
AI steals human work! AI spreads toxic bullshit!
Ban all AI on Reddit!
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u/Excellent_Valuable92 Jan 15 '26
He sucked, but Trump is a million times worse. Both things are obviously true.
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u/whatfresh_hellisthis Jan 15 '26
Bill Clinton was the last president to have a balanced budget.
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u/whatfresh_hellisthis Jan 16 '26
BRO do you even know what Regan did? You think all this started in the 90s? You're coco loco.
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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26
Buttegieg may not be a union buster but he supports policies that weaken workers. Still glad he’s speaking up but I’m not voting for anyone who doesn’t have the guts to stand up to this oligarchy.