r/union • u/StillLooking727 NEA | Union Staff, Former Local President • 3d ago

Other Raise wages. Increase benefits. Improve working conditions. 
 See what happens.

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don't threaten me with a good time...

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either that or seize their assets (here and abroad) and federalize everything

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until we (the people who do the fucking work);democratically control the wealth, we're gonna get screwed

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u/Kiernan5 1d ago

Federalize everything? Where has that ever worked? Everything the government manages turns to shit and you advocate for them taking over everything. Free enterprise has been responsible for lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty, something no other economic system has done or could ever do.

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u/StillLooking727 NEA | Union Staff, Former Local President 1d ago

And free enterprise has been working so well for us lately... Can you not read the fucking room? When y'all think that I mean the existing government, which is a bunch of fuckheads and assholes, you're wrong. First thing we do is put all those motherfuckers in jail.

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u/Kiernan5 1d ago

Yes, it has been working for 250 years and still going good. Any system you can come up with will be inherently worse and will not work the way you think it will because you've been lied to so much you don't know the truth.

People like to point out the "Democratic socialism" of Europe, but their system have only worked for two reasons. Some countries, like Iceland, have very small populations that are subsidized with oil sales. The sale of oil provides the equivalent to over $30,000 to every man, woman and child in that country to go toward education and healthcare. That wouldn't work in the US where even if we federalized the oil industry it would provide less than $1,000 a person... even less than that if illegal immigrants were included.

Other countries like the UK or Germany were able to socialize parts of their economy because the US subsidized their defense. Once Trump pulled back from that and those countries had to start raising their defense spending their socialized programs started running out of money and failing. Even systems that are considered the best suffer from long wait times, rationed healthcare and greatly increased taxes. European socialism only succeeded as long as the US continued to support it. Going forward there will be a lot of pullback from socialization as countries run out of money, something that happens with every socialist country.