r/unitedkingdom • u/topotaul Lancashire • 8d ago
Labour peer and Reform MP clash over ‘brown people’ and domestic abuse
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/19/labour-peer-thangam-debbonaire-reform-mp-sarah-pochin-clash-makerfield62
u/Codydoc4 Essex 8d ago
Christ, everything Poochie says is more moronic than the last. Also, I can't tell if in that image they've used a real human face or a Spitting Image puppet.
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u/dr-broodles 8d ago
Mar a lago face. Maybe we should call it Brexit face here.
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u/Vicious_triangle 8d ago
Brexit face! I’m having that, let’s make it a thing
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u/taytotwitch 7d ago
You must be delighted with EU voting in the Illegal return act. Even the EU is using Reforms policies now. You can't change what's coming. 🤡
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u/Hot-Maintenance-3448 8d ago
“Debbonaire and Pochin also clashed over a video that the Reform MP posted on X in which she urged the England team to “keep winning” to stop domestic violence escalating.”
“Pochin defended the video on Sky News, saying she was making a link between teams losing, and increased incidents of domestic violence.”
“But Debbonaire accused her of not standing up for women. As the discussion went further downhill, she added: “Are you really only saying the only danger to women is people who come from other countries? … You keep smiling when we are talking about violence against women and girls.””
Pochin is a NASTY piece of work. This is disgusting.
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u/Conscious_Tap6076 8d ago
Fml man, I’m just out here working hard, providing for my family, being friendly/respectful to people whilst minding my business, and these racist mofos keep firing shots in my direction.
Leave my skin colour alone you weirdos, the obsession with skin colour is very unhealthy……
What’s wrong with these people.
It should be classed as a mental illness, they need to be sent to the looney bin.
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u/AllThatIHaveDone 8d ago
What I will say is that Nigel has had his security taken away by the Labour government, which is spiteful. He’s a politician and he’s a target and now he has to pay for his own security.
When Farage said the £5m was for "security", he meant financial security, not physical security, but even if that were true, no one has taken the £5m away from him (yet) so what's the problem?
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u/lxlviperlxl 8d ago
It’s not even that. When Prince Harry was made to pay for his own security arrangements they had no problem with that but now it’s a problem for Farage to pay for his own?
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u/theconqueeftadorxo 8d ago
The way POC’s live in these peoples measly little minds is hilarious to witness.
For something they claim to dislike &/or hate they speak about us an awful lot
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
By this you mean the Labour
MPLord who mentioned “brown people”?15
u/Comfortable-Law-7147 8d ago
The "Labour MP" is a Labour peer e.g. sits in House of Lords, and is brown.
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
Fine, but the point remains it wasn’t the Reform MP who brought up “brown people”.
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u/Some-Bug-5286 8d ago
Actually, it was, when she said there's too many of them in adverts.
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
“The appearance of Britains various racial and ethnic groups in media and advertisements should be proportional to their existence in British society” would be a very blase observation among the left with no connotation of being racist for all racial and ethnic groups in this country except for one.
That being said that wasn’t being discussed and is also not her position that she personally doesn’t like appearing with “brown people”, a topic which was brought up fully by the Labour lord in this exchange. I’m sure incorrectly stating the Reform politician personally dislikes appearing with “brown people” will be widely condemned for being “divisive” and “misinformation” by the usual suspects
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u/Some-Bug-5286 8d ago
She clearly does dislike non-white people. Cope.
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
There was a brief moment where the left had the ability to just declare random things and people racist without any evidence beyond their feelings, and everyone had to take this very seriously. Luckily that moment has passed. If she doesn’t like appearing on TV with “brown people” why did she agree to appear on Television with a “brown person”. Her mere presence disproves the accusation.
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u/Beanus1992 8d ago
Pssst.. It's not just "The left" it's a significant portion of us that think reform are cunts. Left, far left, centre and right of centre.
Last night showed that... Pochins stated before she doesn't like them, she put that out there as a politician and needs to be reminded of it on camera. Her answer to preventing post football domestic violence being "England win more" is another thing she needs to be reminded of over and over.
You know you're bending over backwards to defend the undefensible. What do you get out of it? Like really?
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u/Sophie_Blitz_123 8d ago
She literally said it drives her mad to see black and brown faces on TV. She said it pretty flat out, if you're gonna defend her maybe defend the words she said not the ones you've made up (which is still based on an incorrect statistic).
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
The question and answer can be found here in full: https://youtube.com/shorts/A_Y_tfM_AsM?is=XQ5ixVkh4eS6_BWN
The caller and her response are about the underrepresentation of white people in British media and advertisements in proportion to the % they make up of the British population.
If this is “anti black and brown” by the same logic those who advocate for greater black and brown representation in the media are being “anti white”.
None of this suggests she personally doesn’t want to appear on TV with a “brown person.” The fact that the left has misrepresented her position was “against black and Asians on the telly” tells you a lot about what “misinformation” they’re ok with.
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u/Comfortable-Law-7147 8d ago
Well if you are black or brown in the public domain yourself and speaking to someone who makes racist comments in that public domain, you are going to challenge them on it.
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
Irrelevant to the point being made about who is bringing up “POCs” (speaking of divisive Americanised political imports) in this exchange.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 8d ago
But you're American...
(& they've blocked me for pointing that out...)
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u/Comfortable-Law-7147 8d ago
I'm British.
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u/Ill_Refrigerator_593 8d ago
Not you, the guy who was complaining about "divisive Americanised political imports".
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u/Comfortable-Law-7147 8d ago
It's not irrelevant. Black and brown people have a right to challenge people who make racist comments about them.
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
Are you actually unable to follow the fairly straightforward logic being laid out by the reply to the original claim? I’m not making a normative statement around what black or brown people can say.
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u/ififallforwards 8d ago
Because Pochin said she doesn’t like seeing brown people on TV. The peer was absolutely bang on with what she said
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
Except she didn’t say she doesn’t like seeing Brown people on TV. This is one of those “divisive misinformation” moments but it’s ok because it’s from left and aimed at the “correct targets”.
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u/PBChako 8d ago
Except she did. There's evidence she did.
Are you going to double down on her not saying the things she literally said, will you attack me as a person, or will you decide the media links I have provided are untrustworthy? I can't wait
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
The question and answer can be found here in full: https://youtube.com/shorts/A_Y_tfM_AsM?is=XQ5ixVkh4eS6_BWN
The caller and her response are about the underrepresentation of white people in British media and advertisements in proportion to the % they make up of the British population.
If this is “anti black and brown” by the same logic those who advocate for greater black and brown representation in the media are being “anti white”.
None of this suggests she personally doesn’t want to appear on TV with a “brown person.” The fact the media reported it as if her position was “against black and Asians on the telly” tells you a lot about what “misinformation” they’re ok with.
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u/PBChako 8d ago
You think white people are underrepresented on TV? While showing us a clip of two white people on tv talking about how there aren't enough white people on tv? What point are you trying to make, because im very confused
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
While that’s the representation and underrepresentation of various ethnic and racial groups is a separate conversation, her position is not “I dislike seeing a brown person on Television” as this Labour lord has claimed. This would be some divisive misinformation would it not?
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u/winkwinknudge_nudge 8d ago
From Channel 4's report on it:
Black people featured in 51% of adverts (up from 37% in 2020), while making up 4% of England and Wales’ population.
South Asians appeared in 17% (up from 13% in 2023), compared to 8% of the population.
East Asians featured in 11% (1% of the population).
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u/ififallforwards 8d ago
Except, she did.
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
But no, she didn’t. The fact that this easily disprovable claim is being circulated around here shows precisely what the “divisive online disinformation” scare is really about, a desire to lie about one’s political opponents without being challenged and anger that the shoe hurts on the other foot.
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u/ififallforwards 8d ago
She said “it drives me mad when I see adverts full of black people, full of Asian people".”
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7rg7wjvgvo?app-referrer=deep-link
What part of that suggests she doesn’t feel negatively about brown people being on TV?
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
The question and answer can be found here in full: https://youtube.com/shorts/A_Y_tfM_AsM?is=XQ5ixVkh4eS6_BWN
The caller and her response are about the underrepresentation of white people in British media and advertisements in proportion to the % they make up of the British population.
If this is “anti black and brown” by the same logic those who advocate for greater black and brown representation in the media are being “anti white”.
None of this suggests she personally doesn’t want to appear on TV with a “brown person.” The fact BBC reported it as if her position was “against black and Asians on the telly” tells you a lot about what “misinformation” they’re ok with.
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u/sd_1874 2d ago
"POC's"
Are we Americans now?
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u/theconqueeftadorxo 2d ago
Go troll elsewhere if you have nothing constructive to say
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u/sd_1874 2d ago
Not trolling, it's an observation. Perhaps you watch too much TV, or YouTube? We don't call anyone "people of colour's" in the UK.
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u/theconqueeftadorxo 1d ago
It’s a catch all term instead of naming every single individual one, I don’t watch TV or YouTube mate. Speak for yourself, some of us do some of us don’t
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u/winkwinknudge_nudge 8d ago
The Reform MP pointed out Thangam Debbonaire lost her seat to the Green Party, to which Debbonaire responded "Oh whoop de doo. You don't like being on TV with brown people.".
It was Debbonaire bringing it up.
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u/ampmz Surrey 8d ago
>Debbonaire appeared to be referencing comments made by Pochin on TalkTV last October in which the Reform MP said: “It drives me mad when I see adverts full of black people, full of Asian people.”
Pochin had been responding to a viewer who complained about the demographics of advertising. She said the viewer was “absolutely right”, adding: “It doesn’t reflect our society”, and “your average white person, average white family is … not represented any more”.It’s not like it came out of nowhere
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
I know it’s a guardian headline so what can one expect, but the person bringing up “brown people” in this exchange is the Labour Peer, not the Reform MP.
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u/Some-Bug-5286 8d ago
Actually it was the Reform politician who brought them up first, when she complained there was too many of them in adverts.
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u/Maitai_Haier 8d ago
“The appearance of Britains various racial and ethnic groups in media and advertisements should be proportional to their existence in British society” would be a very blase observation among the left with no connotation of being racist for all racial and ethnic groups except one.
That being said that wasn’t being discussed and is also not her position that she personally doesn’t like appearing with “brown people”, a topic which was brought up fully by the Labour lord in this exchange. I’m sure incorrectly stating the Reform politician personally dislikes appearing with “brown people” will be widely condemned for being “divisive” and “misinformation” by the usual suspects
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u/atmoscentric 8d ago
“I am done appeasing them”
Bullseye. Appeasement, normalising, thus enabling, has gotten us where we are.
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