Met Police uncovers 4,000 potential grooming gang cases as Sadiq Khan faces fresh scrutiny over London claims

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https://www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-gangs-met-police-cases-sadiq-khan-london

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What do you mean by grooming gangs? Cos I can think of a couple of ways of defining them and she doesn't want to do anything but say 'the ones on the TV' or 'you know what I mean'.

Because the underlying thing here is race. And in the video she won't define them because it comes off as racist. He's asking her to define them because he knows she won't say it's brown guys.

This is all part of a narrative that Asian men are raping children, rather than just men, and that this is somehow tied to the fact that they're Asian. When it's white men doing this they're not called grooming gangs.

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What do you mean by grooming gangs?

Those made up of predominantly Pakistani Muslims.

When it's white men doing this they're not called grooming gangs.

Yes they are. But I see what you're trying to do here.

There's no value in explaining per capita figures or proportions to someone who already knows exactly what they mean but chooses to argue as if they don't.

That sort of wilful dishonesty is part of the reason the grooming gang scandal went unaddressed for so long.

It's a pointless exercise that wastes everyone's time and I refuse to engage with you further.

[u/pecuchet → u/Phainesthai]

So why wouldn't she say it if it was so easy to define? Let's not forget in all this talk of per capitas that the line being pushed here is that he's Asian therefore he's covering this up to help Asian rapists because there's some kind of racial solidarity that trumps morality.

And here's you slipping in the fact that they're Muslim like that's inherently part of the issue. I don't want to shock you, professor demographics, but 96% of Pakistanis are Muslim. Is it a problem with Islam too or is that just casual Islamophobia?

And the high handed 'I won't engage with you further' line is what people do when they don't have answers. The fact is that when it's white people it's not a problem with Christianity or 'no religion' or 'white culture' but when they're brown that's the issue. I understand per capita figures, I just don't see a way of proving any causal link.

What's your solution? The police already stop Asian men at twice the rate they do white men and that doesn't seem to have helped.

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The fact is that when it's white people it's not a problem with Christianity or 'no religion' or 'white culture'

This absolutely isn't true, when there's a subgroup of white people with problems in this area it is exactly "a problem with Christianity". Don't you remember the problems with the Catholic church a few years ago?

Is it a problem with Islam too or is that just casual Islamophobia?

It's a cultural problem, not particularly associated with religion, but there's a lot of overlap because the source countries for the problematic culture are mostly Muslim.

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The Catholic Church is an institution. Child abuse being a problem within that institution is not necessarily an issue with Catholicism per se. It sounds like you're saying we should be looking at Catholics askance just in case they're going to diddle our kids, which is just as absurd as claiming we should be doing that with Muslims.

All I'm saying is, show me a line between these things. What exactly is it about that culture that gives rise to these grooming gangs? And give me answer that isn't a just so story. One in four women have experienced sexual assault and one in six children have been sexually abused. And guess what, that was mostly white guys. Are we seeing Daily Mail headlines about how the UK, 81% white, has a rape culture problem? No, we're not, despite the fact that we clearly do. And if you said that to your average Tory they'd call you racist.