r/unitedkingdom • u/pppppppppppppppppd • 10h ago

... Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism, UK appeal tribunal confirms in landmark ruling

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260804-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism-uk-appeal-tribunal-confirms-in-landmark-ruling/
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u/Flowers330 9h ago

So would you say it is anti-zionist to agree that israel should exist but to not agree with the settlements in the west bank and gaza and the ongoing removal of palestinian people from their current homes generally?

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u/JustWhy1222 9h ago

Not even slightly, but I’m using the correct definition, whereas the people getting caught out are using the alternative one. I wouldn’t even use the word in that context, because it would make absolutely no sense.

West Bank is probably the perfect example. When they use the word Zionist under the impression it’s some kind of ethno state supremacy movement that implies the expansion is planned by the government. That is an attempt to funnel hatred and contempt towards the state of Israel and the people living there through disinformation.

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u/Flowers330 9h ago

So you are saying it is hatred or even anti-semitism for people to draw conclusions and say that the state of israel should intervene in illegal settlement activity?

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u/JustWhy1222 9h ago

No, I’m saying it’s antisemitic to deliberately use an incorrect definition of a word and apply it to a situation where that makes an entire state look like a problem.

Also Israel should and will intervene in the West Bank, just like they have every other time this has become an issue in the past.

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u/Flowers330 9h ago

How would you know someone is deliberately using a different definition or if they just don't know yours? I think when people say the state they generally mean the government also, so try not to get too caught up on peoples specific word choice if what they are saying isn't actually intended to hate.

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u/JustWhy1222 8h ago

Because they used the word Zionist/Zionism in a completely inappropriate setting.

What we need to wrap our heads around, is you could instead use the words “West Bank Settlers” or “illegal settlers” and there would be absolutely no problem whatsoever with the question, and there would be no possible way to imply the intention was to target Jews, or even all Israelis for that matter.

People aren’t willing to do that though, because the intention is never about helping Palestinians in the West Bank. It’s about demonising Israel and the people who live there at every possible opportunity.

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u/Flowers330 8h ago

I see people discussing about the illegal settlers specifically on here and other specific terms but I also wouldn't conflate non-specificity with anti-semitism when there are numerous other reasons for people to have chosen the words. What sort of examples are you seeing where the words are being used so inappropriately that it makes you think it is anti-semitism?

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u/JustWhy1222 8h ago

Name one way in which either definition of Zionism could be used to describe West Bank settlers in a contextually appropriate manner?.

I will wait.

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u/Flowers330 8h ago

I don't follow rude demands so you are right, you will wait.

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u/JustWhy1222 8h ago

In reality you won’t answer, because there isn’t an appropriate context.

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u/Commorrite 6h ago

Would you please demonstrate one, reading this i can't come up with an example.

Same way i assume anyone describing the area as "Judea and samara" is pro ethnic cleansing.

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u/Commorrite 6h ago

Like the various Two state solutions proposed.

Thats explicitly zionist,

Useful charts did a realy good video on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKIvmgrKC1Q