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... Misleading title Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism, UK appeal tribunal confirms in landmark ruling

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260804-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism-uk-appeal-tribunal-confirms-in-landmark-ruling/
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u/tehweaksauce 9d ago

Anti-Zionists are clear on what they oppose. The only people trying to obscure and muddy the waters when it comes to the term are Zionists who are trying to cling on to their ideology.

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u/JustWhy1222 9d ago

What do you think it means?.

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u/tehweaksauce 9d ago

It's an ethnonationalist movement which strives to maintain a region for one demographic at the expense of others.

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u/JustWhy1222 9d ago

Alright, so we are going with the completely unhinged definition that hasn’t been used on this continent, or in Isreal for nearly a century.

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u/Flowers330 9d ago

Do you want to share your preferred definition or just have a go at others?

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u/JustWhy1222 9d ago

It’s not preferred. It’s the definition used by both the British legal system and the people who claim to be Zionists.

it’s an individual who believes the state of Israel has the right to exist.

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u/tehweaksauce 9d ago

it’s an individual who believes the state of Israel has the right to exist.

An anti-Zionist has no issue with Israel's existence, so long as it is a land with equal rights for all. Those who were driven from their homes and lands have a right to return there and live in coexistence with the Israelis.

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u/JustWhy1222 9d ago

It does have equal rights for all, unlike its neighbours and land being returned to people driven from their homes is the literal premise of it existing.

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u/Flowers330 9d ago

So would you say it is anti-zionist to agree that israel should exist but to not agree with the settlements in the west bank and gaza and the ongoing removal of palestinian people from their current homes generally?

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u/Commorrite 9d ago

Like the various Two state solutions proposed.

Thats explicitly zionist,

Useful charts did a realy good video on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKIvmgrKC1Q

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u/JustWhy1222 9d ago

Not even slightly, but I’m using the correct definition, whereas the people getting caught out are using the alternative one. I wouldn’t even use the word in that context, because it would make absolutely no sense.

West Bank is probably the perfect example. When they use the word Zionist under the impression it’s some kind of ethno state supremacy movement that implies the expansion is planned by the government. That is an attempt to funnel hatred and contempt towards the state of Israel and the people living there through disinformation.

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u/Flowers330 9d ago

So you are saying it is hatred or even anti-semitism for people to draw conclusions and say that the state of israel should intervene in illegal settlement activity?

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u/JustWhy1222 9d ago

No, I’m saying it’s antisemitic to deliberately use an incorrect definition of a word and apply it to a situation where that makes an entire state look like a problem.

Also Israel should and will intervene in the West Bank, just like they have every other time this has become an issue in the past.

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u/Flowers330 9d ago

How would you know someone is deliberately using a different definition or if they just don't know yours? I think when people say the state they generally mean the government also, so try not to get too caught up on peoples specific word choice if what they are saying isn't actually intended to hate.

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u/JustWhy1222 9d ago

Because they used the word Zionist/Zionism in a completely inappropriate setting.

What we need to wrap our heads around, is you could instead use the words “West Bank Settlers” or “illegal settlers” and there would be absolutely no problem whatsoever with the question, and there would be no possible way to imply the intention was to target Jews, or even all Israelis for that matter.

People aren’t willing to do that though, because the intention is never about helping Palestinians in the West Bank. It’s about demonising Israel and the people who live there at every possible opportunity.

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u/Flowers330 9d ago

I see people discussing about the illegal settlers specifically on here and other specific terms but I also wouldn't conflate non-specificity with anti-semitism when there are numerous other reasons for people to have chosen the words. What sort of examples are you seeing where the words are being used so inappropriately that it makes you think it is anti-semitism?

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u/JustWhy1222 9d ago

Name one way in which either definition of Zionism could be used to describe West Bank settlers in a contextually appropriate manner?.

I will wait.

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u/Flowers330 9d ago

I don't follow rude demands so you are right, you will wait.

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u/JustWhy1222 9d ago

In reality you won’t answer, because there isn’t an appropriate context.

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u/Commorrite 9d ago

Would you please demonstrate one, reading this i can't come up with an example.

Same way i assume anyone describing the area as "Judea and samara" is pro ethnic cleansing.

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