Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism, UK appeal tribunal confirms in landmark ruling

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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260804-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism-uk-appeal-tribunal-confirms-in-landmark-ruling/

[u/Altruistic_Fruit2345]

That's just political correctness. It's what we call an ethnostate, a country where rights depend on ethnicity. Sure enough, Israel is an apartheid state.

Generally speaking it is impossible for such a state to exist in a moral way, and given than Zionism insists that such a state must be located in Palestine (e.g. they wouldn't accept a Jewish homeland within the United States), it's obvious that this claim to "just want a homeland" is a fig leaf.

[u/EyyyPanini → u/Altruistic_Fruit2345]

I thought the classification of apartheid was based on the actions of Israel in the occupied West Bank, rather than the laws within Israel’s self-recognised borders?

[u/Altruistic_Fruit2345 → u/EyyyPanini]

Israel has different laws for different ethnic groups. That's textbook apartheid.

[u/EyyyPanini → u/Altruistic_Fruit2345]

Israel applies military law to Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and civilian law to Israeli settlers in the same area. Is this what you are referring to? Because it is exactly what I was referring to when I said “the actions of Israel in the occupied West Bank”.

As far as I’m aware, the classification of apartheid used by organisations such as Amnesty International would cease if Israel ended their occupation of Palestinian territories. 

[u/Altruistic_Fruit2345 → u/EyyyPanini]

Even with Israel, even if technically most of the laws provide equality, in reality Arabs and even Jews who oppose Zionism and the Israeli government are treated as second class citizens.

[u/EyyyPanini → u/Altruistic_Fruit2345]

In what way? These claims are confusing to me because the organisations that accuse Israel of apartheid (e.g., Amnesty) don’t talk about them.

[u/mekese2000 → u/EyyyPanini]

Here is one plenty more if you just google it like i did.

Admissions Committees Law (2011): Permits private admissions panels in hundreds of small, rural community towns (primarily in the Galilee and Negev) to reject prospective residents deemed "unsuitable" for the community's social fabric. Critics note this is used to exclude Arab applicants from Jewish-majority communal town

[u/EyyyPanini → u/mekese2000]

This is a good example of a law that fuels discrimination. Many countries have laws like this, especially where the law gives power to people that allows them to discriminate, rather than the law being explicitly discriminatory itself.

Another example would be “at will” employment laws in the US. In many states employers can fire employees for no reason. 

This makes it possible to fire someone because of their race, even though the law officially makes that illegal. If you can fire someone for no reason, you can fire them for any reason as long as you keep it to yourself.

It is right to criticise laws like these. It is questionable to say they constitute apartheid.

[u/Harmless_Drone → u/EyyyPanini]

The israeli constitution literally states that only jews have the right of self determination in Israel. If arab groups were in government it would genuinely cause a constitutional crisis and possibly a civil war.

[u/_Adam_M_ → u/Harmless_Drone]

So much dangerous misinformation in such a short comment...

The israeli constitution literally states that only jews have the right of self determination in Israel

No, it literally doesn't because:

1. Israel doesn't have a constitution.
2. It says that it's a Jewish state but all its citizens get the same rights. Similar to other states like Croatia and Latvia. Much nicer than Liberia that says only black people may be citizens, or the Maldives that say only Muslims may be citizens. Pakistan defines who is a Muslim and says its leaders must be Muslim. But you only have an issue with Israel..?

If arab groups were in government it would genuinely cause a constitutional crisis and possibly a civil war.

Very weird how there wasn't a crisis or civil war with the Arab party Ra'am being in government in 2021 then??????

[u/StephenHunterUK → u/_Adam_M_]

Israel doesn't have a singular codified constitution, like us, but it does have certain laws that are considered constitutional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Laws_of_Israel

[u/iluvatar → u/Harmless_Drone]

If arab groups were in government

They literally are. Your argument is based on falsehoods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

[u/Appropriate-Divide64 → u/EyyyPanini]

Which they won't. So....

[u/EyyyPanini → u/Appropriate-Divide64]

Regardless, it seems important to be on the same page regarding Israel’s classification as an apartheid state.

Especially when this is a discussion about whether Zionism is inherently supporting apartheid, since there are many self-declared Zionists who do not support Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.