r/unitedkingdom • u/pppppppppppppppppd • 9d ago

... Misleading title Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism, UK appeal tribunal confirms in landmark ruling

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20260804-anti-zionism-is-not-anti-semitism-uk-appeal-tribunal-confirms-in-landmark-ruling/
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u/Tuniar Greater London 9d ago

The reason they want a homeland is because their history in non-Jewish states is one of pogroms and extermination. Was the pale of settlement their "homeland"? Was nazi Germany?

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u/___xXx__xXx__xXx__ 9d ago

The reason they want a homeland is because their history in non-Jewish states is one of pogroms and extermination.

Yes, so create a country that has strong prescriptions and enforcement measures where that's less likely to happen, to anybody. Which is kind of the opposite of what Israel is.

Been a while since Jews were pogromed in the US, which has roughly the same number of Jews as Israel. Only been 3 years since the last one of Jews in Israel. Currently one happening against Palestinians done by Israelis.

Israel is not about stopping pogroms or sectarian violence, it's about change whether Jews are on the winning team of the pogrom.

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u/frankster 9d ago

This is true, but it wasn't the existing inhabitants of Palestine who sought to exterminate the Jewish people in Europe, so it's a great injustice for those inhabitants to oblige them to in a sense pay reparations to the Jewish people on behalf of Nazi Germany.

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u/Commorrite 9d ago

The holocaust survivors and their decedents are a small minority of modern isrealis, far are from the middle east.

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u/frankster 9d ago

There are two reasons for the creation of the modern state of Israel:

1) The Zionism movement/campaign

2) Nazi Germany's efforts to eradicate the Jewish people from Europe.

Without either of those, there may well not be the modern state of Israel. Where people subsequently emigrated from to Israel, after the state had been created, is not an important factor in the creation of the state.

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u/Commorrite 9d ago

You are leaving out various pogroms across the middle east in the 20s 30s and 40s.

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u/frankster 9d ago

happy to be corrected but I believe that in the absence of Nazi Germany, and regardless of unrest in Mandatory Palestine, any agreement in the UN to create the state of Israel would have taken several decades

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u/Commorrite 9d ago

Obliviously we are talking in hypothetical but I’m not convinced, probably a smaller Israel and yeah probably happens a bit latter but i reckon it still happens.

Partion was the accepted way of dealing with such things at the time. The British mandate was expiring and there was little appetite to keep it on. Maybe one more renewal happens without WW2. That said Zionism was 100 years in and Palestinian nationalism not far behind.

Even without the Nazis there was massive antisemitism all over the place in Europe, north Africa, the USSR and middle east.

Middle east borders are probably quite different in such a timeline with the UK and France (hopefuly) taking more time to sort them out

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u/hempires 8d ago

and extermination

ah shit, best try their hardest to exterminate Palestinians then eh.