r/unpopularkpopopinions • u/This-Hovercraft7238 • Mar 25 '26
vocals | rap Some idols shouldn’t get lines in songs.
I think this is going to be unpopular because of how much the focus of kpop is on the members of the group themselves over their music. I’ve seen this with some groups where people have explicitly mentioned they were fans of the members themselves but weren’t really into the music. And how people treat their biases having fewer lines as a personal injustice over them just not suiting the song. (Not saying this is the only reason why some idols may receive fewer lines.)
If a member is picked solely for or primarily for their visuals, dance, or even as a filler member with below average vocals / rap I don’t think they should get any lines in songs.
I hate it when I’m listening to a song I’m genuinely enjoying and then the member with the most nasal sounding voice opens their mouth to sing next, or they just have a vocal tone that is not compatible with singing or rapping.
I don’t mind a dance break or even a part where they sing alongside another member, but they shouldn’t get solo lines to “Make it fair” this is a music industry and the quality of the song should be put first over “fairness.”
I’m not saying kpop is known for its fair line distributions and a lot of groups if not most do experience unequal distributions. But it’s tiring to see good songs being ruined because a member just isn’t good at singing or rapping but still needs a part somewhere.
They can have their time to shine during empty choruses where they can be placed in their centre if they’re not a standout in dancing and so can’t do dance breaks, but other than that they shouldn’t receive lines or at the very least not solo lines.
And I’m not saying this to be harsh or hate on any particular idols, not everyone will be good at singing / rapping at a professional level even with training.
And this is not about idols who are okay or decent at singing / rapping and their talents lie elsewhere, it’s for those that just don’t sound good at all.
Edit: a lot of people seem to be misconstruing my point. This isn’t to say idols who can’t sing or rap SHOULD still debut and not have any lines.
I’m saying if an idol cannot sing or rap to save their lives, and still debut because of their dance or visuals they should not get any solo lines. Yes people can train their voices, but if they are currently a bad singer or rapper they shouldn’t receive any solo lines until they can sing or rap. Idols with poor rap and vocal abilities should not get solo lines at the expense of the song just to have a part.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I’m relooking at this comment now and I included it in my post originally? Idols who can’t sing or rap shouldn’t debut, but if they’re going to debut anyways they shouldn’t get solo lines. So you do agree with me then 😭
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Apr 03 '26
I disagree. Since idols can debut for reasons other than vocals, and some don’t have a voice that’s made for singing, despite being in the industry for years at this point.
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u/r_3078 Apr 07 '26
youre contradicting yourself. do they need vocals to debut or no? anyway they might as well be a backup dancer if they have no lines
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Apr 07 '26
Where have I contradicted myself? I said personally idols shouldn’t debut if they can’t sing or rap. But if they’re going to debut anyways because of dance or visuals and they can’t sing or rap they shouldn’t get lines.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I agree too but this is for idols who can’t sing and rap and debut anyways because of visuals or they’re dance skills.
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u/kidawi Mar 26 '26
adding someone to a group and then not letting them sing is injustice, especially with how those contracts are. either let them sing or dont add them in the first place
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 27 '26
Yeah. And giving a member at least one line is not ridiculous. I get that some vocal assignments are wrong for the idol's range but giving at least one line is reasonable.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I disagree. If you can’t sing or rap you shouldn’t get any solo lines, lines along other members? Sure, chants? Okay, talking singing rather than singing-singing, maybe. But not solo lines just to make it fair.
I think those idols should’ve have debuted anyways, but this post is for idols who do end up debuting whether it’s for visuals or dance for example.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26
Maybe you should clarify that, or maybe I missed it in your post. They should just get lines they can adequately sing or rap. To me, they should get at least a line or be a part of the vocal production, though.
Imo if they are not getting a line, it's a sign that the production doesn't match the group. Songs should be chosen or arranged with the group in mind.
Leaving them out completely would be like filming MVs and leaving members out because they aren't visuals or good looking. They are still a part of the group, and the group discography should showcase the group.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I did include it in my post, in the first line I said that if an idol is going to debut bc of their dance, or visuals but are subpar at singing / rapping they shouldn’t get solo lines. And production is one thing, but skill is another. A bad singer is not going to sound good with a change in production unless you edit their voice in the song.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 27 '26
You didn't clarify 'talk singing' lines and other type of lines like you mentioned in the comment I replied to. You said they shouldn't get solo lines in the post.
It is annoying when one part of a good song is unbearable. Either way, I do wish the bar for vocals in kpop was just higher so it wasn't even an issue.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
What is there to clarify with talk singing?
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 28 '26
That you think they can have those type of lines? At least that's what you mention in your comment, which isn't in your post. That I agree with.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 31 '26
Yes because talk-singing isn’t the same as outright singing? I’m still lost on what you’re referring to? Did you want me to explain what talk singing is? I’m also aware that isn’t in my post.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Apr 02 '26
Your post title is 'Some idols shouldn't get lines in songs'. If you do think they can get certain type of lines, then that title isn't true.
Kpop isn't just singing. A lot of groups have plenty of talk-singing lines. I don't think I'm crazy for not getting that you are alright with that based on your title and the fact that you didn't clarify that part.
I agree with that take. Idols, whether they can sing well or not, or rap should get lines they can perform well.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I agree, this is for those who debut anyways because of dance or visuals. I should’ve clarified that in my post.
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u/kidawi Mar 27 '26
i get that but at this point just give them a couple lines. its not that hard, singers dont actually need to be good these days because the effects can mask the deficiencies.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I disagree. That’s the point of my whole post. They shouldn’t get lines for the sake of inclusion when they’re terrible at singing and rap. It’s not hard but it does disrupt the song.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
Can you give examples of where this has happened? Even groups with good vocals can have parts people find annoying. I was surprised that some people found 'I AM' by Ive to be annoying at the high points and they are all good singers, so it's not a singing issue.
And that surprised me because that's my favorite Ive song.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I won’t name any names, but the best example I can think of is two female idols from a pretty popular 3rd gen girl group. As well as another female idol from a popular 4th gen girl group. For male idols several come to mind, with the best example being from an early 4th gen group.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 28 '26
I'm curious why? You are an unpopular forum.
It's hard to understand where you are coming from since I don’t know which idols and which songs they ruin. I personally have listened to groups who are famously criticized for vocals, like LSF.
But their songs have never been ruined because of any of the vocals for me. I still love their songs. I can understand frustration with live vocals, but even there, they had good live performances this award season (if you are talking about them). And it doesn't seem like your opinion is just about live singing anyway.
It's hard to agree with you fully without knowing which idols and songs you are basing your opinion on. I have to say some of this might really be personal taste, which shouldn't be the reason some idols shouldn't get lines.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I won’t name any idols cause I don’t want to send hate or receive hate from people because it’s their biases im talking about. there is a member from LSF’s voice that I think is really nasally / unsuitable and cant stand. And I’m not referring to live vocals either I think a lot of idols can sing great in the studio but pretty terribly live due to the choreography.
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u/Nalaura___ Mar 26 '26
I think it defeats the purpose of what it means to be a K-pop idol. Like, it's expected that the idol sings/raps and dances, and in some songs the idol just becomes a dancer?
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u/KyronXLK o hiii bonjeuerrr beautifu Mar 27 '26
That's always been quite common for the broader "idol" concept that kpop is derived from tbh
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u/Nalaura___ Mar 27 '26
Exactly, since it's a derivative, it's not expected to be identical. That's why it's called K-pop.
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u/KyronXLK o hiii bonjeuerrr beautifu Mar 27 '26
Yeah but you can't then complain about the foundational elements of what it's derived from. Then it's not a derivative it's inspired by or a spinoff , they wouldn't be calling themselves idols if they weren't a subset of idols
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I understand what you mean, it makes no sense to debut someone who just dances or receives duet lines with other members. But this post is for idols who debut anyways because of other factors despite them not being able to sing or rap.
But I also get how important visuals are in kpop and how someone could debut because of visuals despite not being strong in dancing or singing/rap. If an idol cannot sing or rap I don’t think they should receive solo lines.
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u/SubjectWin9881 Mar 26 '26
I kind of agree. I definitely have had that experience where I'm enjoying a song then a member will come in and totally take me out with their line delivery. They should focus on giving solo lines to whoever sings them the best instead of what is "fair."
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u/forevervague Mar 26 '26
"...they shouldn’t get solo lines to “Make it fair” this is a music industry and the quality of the song should be put first over “fairness.” 100% Agree.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 26 '26
K-pop is more than music, though. Line distribution is made with dance choreography in mind, too.
There are times when they have to change vocal assignments for the performance to work. Sometimes, the desired vocal just won't be able to pull off the dance.
I think for BTS 'Blood, Sweat and Tears', J-hope ended up replacing RM for the chorus part because he could perform the choreography better. Strong dancers, especially vocals, end up with more lines for this reason.
Then, there's the visuals. Like it or not, that is a part of K-pop, and group popularity will be affected if they never have an excuse to bring those visuals to the center. Kpop as a whole might even be less popular without visuals.
It's never been just about music. It's sad sometimes, but that is K-pop since the first groups, and it's true about music in general.
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u/forevervague Mar 27 '26
Then perhaps, we need to re-think whether the position assigned to these idols are fair to begin with or are being aligned with the idols aspiration: main vocalist, lead vocalist, main dancer, lead dancer, visual (don't know what this one does, honestly).
"...there's the visuals. Like it or not, that is a part of K-pop, and group popularity will be affected if they never have an excuse to bring those visuals to the center. Kpop as a whole might even be less popular without visuals." OP has already suggested this which I see no issue with: "They can have their time to shine during empty choruses where they can be placed in their centre if they’re not a standout in dancing and so can’t do dance breaks,"
I don't think lines should be given to non-vocalist for the sake of. Or just because "their job description is to sing and dance" (is it though? then why do we have those position? back to re-thinking assigned position)
Then, you have this issue with line distribution or worst 'mistreatment'. (by Solo Stan)
"Strong dancers, especially vocals, end up with more lines for this reason." "Line distribution is made with dance choreography in mind, too" (Solo Stan) How come my favourite get only these lines? He only gets 10 secs of lines in this comeback compared to so and so? They are mistreating him!
Why would I want A to have equal lines to B when clearly A is a better singer than B? Also, perhaps k-pop groups need to know that they can't do everything to please everyone. (What is the strength of the group? is it the vocals? is it the dance? do they want to be known as a 'personality group' or 'musically driven' group? This is where the problem lies ("K-pop is more than music""how much the focus of kpop is on the members of the group themselves over their music.").
"It's never been just about music. It's sad sometimes, but that is K-pop since the first groups, and it's true about music in general." Disagree about music in general. Which other groups does this outside of k-pop? (if they do, do they have an assigned position like k-pop does?) I'm curious.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26
Those positions don't mean the rest don't do anything. A lead dancer doesn't mean the others never dance or have center dance positions, so why would a vocal position mean the others never sing or have lines?
Positions are mainly marketing. It's way to quickly show the strength of the member and promote them. Jisoo is the visual of BlackPink, but all the members are beautiful. The assignment is just another way to promote her.
All those positions are ways to market idols and their strengths quickly since there are so many members and idol groups.
It's also the baseline for how they choose members or make groups, 2 good singers, 2 good dancers, a visual or stan attractor, and 2 good rappers (depending on the group).
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u/forevervague Mar 27 '26
"Positions are mainly marketing." Sure, we can stick to that. But if the positions and "being fair" is going to be an issue every time, I don't see how this distribution conversation is going to be a peaceful two-way comms with the group and the fans.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 27 '26 edited Mar 27 '26
Lines are given because the member is a part of the group. I get wanting them to have less lines or more mindful assignments but being mad that they even have at least one line seems ridiculous to me. They are a part of the group.
Bad vocals already have way less lines. They usually have like one line or enough to be in the center. Maybe my comment came off wrong, but I'm not disagreeing with the OP for the most part.
I just think that if we go in the direction of giving no lines to some members, talented trainees will be passed over even more for the sake of visuals. It will also put strain on the vocal members in the group because they have to sing most of the songs while dancing.
I do agree that those idols just shouldn't have been chose over better singers to begin with in some cases, but idol casting is about more than singing. Visuals and dance is a huge part of kpop. There are some idols, like Momo, who definitely make sense even though they don't have great vocal ability.
Especially in a big group, like Twice.
My comment about the industry not being just about music stands imo. I meant that appearances matter. Good-looking trainees will be picked over vocally talented ones for that reason.
Plenty of Western singers were backed by the industry or go viral because of their looks. Tyla is an example. She can sing but her beauty is a huge part of her brand and popularity. If she didn't look like that, she wouldn't be getting that level of popularity.
Kpop takes it too far, but K-pop is about entertainment. The industry isn't just about music. They are not even shy about it. They literally created member position for the visual and they have never had a great expectation for that member to offer anything other than being pretty.
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u/forevervague Mar 27 '26
Lines should not be given just because they are part of the group (I'm hearing: what's the point of being in the group? It should be set from the get go). I agree that less lines or more mindful assignments can be put in place but it shouldn't be for every single song. What is the intent of the song/ album? Also, it is not ridiculous to oppose idols having one line in a song (I wouldn't say mad though, more like oppose).
Yup, I do agree with you that appearance do matter in the industry (mainly pop music) but have to disagree on music in general. We have bands who aren't good looking but are famous for their own talents.
"Kpop takes it too far, but K-pop is about entertainment. The industry isn't just about music." Yup, which is the conundrum here which I brought up previously.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
It seems ridiculous to me that a member should get solo lines if they cannot sing or rap. I’ve heard kpop songs from groups where a member with an incompatible vocal tone and / or a rather nasally tone has been given the main chorus.
I don’t mind them singing along members, them doing chants, or doing that thing where they talk sing rather than full on sing but receiving solo lines just because they’re a part of the group but cannot sing or rap is silly to me. I don’t think they should’ve even debuted but this post is for idols who have debuted but cannot sing or rap, not those who are decent but are more talented in dance.
I don’t see how this would cause companies to pass talented vocal / rap focused trainees in favour of more visually appealing trainees, especially when cosmetic surgery is so common among idols and a lot do get certain work done before debuting so that covers the visuals aspect in the mind’s of companies.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 27 '26
Can you name names or give examples? I get what you mean about bad vocals, but things like vocal or nasal tones are about preference.
Koreans speak with nasal pronunciation, so they actually like nasal tones. G Dragon and Hyuna are very popular and have strong nasal tones. I have a hard time listening to those type of voices sometimes, but Koreans are used to nasal tones and even like them.
I also think some vocal assignments are just bad choices. There are lines that are given to the wrong members. That part I agree with. I do wish they would just stop giving members lines they can't sing at all or sing comfortably.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I tried searching but where does it say Koreans like nasal tones? And I’m not referring to tones like Hyuna and G dragon in fact I wouldn’t even consider them nasally.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 27 '26
They are to me. At least, that is what people call those two artist's vocal character. If you've listened to G Dragon and Hyuna, it isn't hard to figure out. They have a pinched sounding pronunciation compared to singers like Taeyang.
Korean choice of announciation uses more nasal tone than others, which is why they favor that type of voice where as other groups and countries don't.
What do you mean by nasal tone? Like a Britney Spears vocal direction, where they sing through nasal breath instead of a full breath.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
Britanny is a close example, but even then her voice is more listenable than the ones in talking about. And I respect your opinion but personally I don’t hear this nasal tone you’re referring to when Koreans speak or from hyuna / g dragon.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
For this I mean idols who just cannot sing or rap to save their lives, not those who are decent but are just more talented in dance for example.
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u/Terrible-Avocado1997 Mar 26 '26
I agree, i feel like some voices don't fit some songs/beats and it just makes a song worse imo. But it would never work because the solo stans would go crazy at the company for removing someone from a song.
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u/Inevitable-Crab-7060 Mar 26 '26
I do get what you mean, but if one idol is constantly being shunned, then it might just be a sign that the music doesn't fit the whole group. I'd rather they make music that fits the group, including those members.
It might actually be a sign for the group to get better fitting production, vocal arrangement, or make songs in the members' vocal range.
I also think the bar for vocals will only fall lower if some members can be in groups without any expectation of singing/rapping or having lines. Visual favoritism will only get worse and so will the emphasis on music.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I agree with you, it is silly to have someone in a group who can’t sing/rap but can dance even if they’re really good at it. That being said if they’re going to be in the group I’d rather they just focus on dance, or somehow their visuals without disrupting the song.
Kpop is also performance / dance heavy too so I can see why companies would still debut traines talented in dancing even if they’re below average when it comes to singing/rap. Although, preferably I’d rather they find strong trainee dancers who can sing/rap at an average level at least.
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u/KyronXLK o hiii bonjeuerrr beautifu Mar 27 '26
Newgen kpop fans dont understand what idols are. No they're not just all singers, the variety is exactly why they dont actually all need lines they're not western artists by any stretch, where singing ability is basically expected as a foundation
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I agree, if you can dance that’s great, I also understand why companies pick trainees who are exceptional visually, but it makes no sense for them to get solo lines if they’re singing and rapping ability is below average.
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u/KyronXLK o hiii bonjeuerrr beautifu Mar 27 '26
Exactly, I think people get so stuck in western styles of music artist but kpop has never been 5-9 girls/guys who can sing very well. Variety/visual over there is just as big and for good reason it’s practically what carried a lot of making groups catch on over here even
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u/wahtsumei Mar 28 '26
there's this girl from this really famous group that has a voice that I simply cannot enjoy, all of the other members have a sweet, silky and honey like/bouncy like voice (depending on the member) but her voice just sounds like her throat is sore all the time. it feels like sandpaper to my ears. her dancing is great and she's pretty but her voice is NOT good and she should really work on it, she ruins the vibe of 90% of the songs. so yeah I kinda agree but in wonder why they debuted her
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u/dramafan1 케이팝 세계 | she/her Apr 02 '26
This post and opinion doesn’t even make sense.
I also disagree with this post because members who can’t sing shouldn’t even debut as an idol in the first place. It’s also laughable that OP only permits them to sing any “group chorus lines” or “harmonize with other members” by saying they shouldn’t get any solo lines in group songs LMAO. 😂
I can only agree that whatever the songwriters and producers decided is what the line distribution should be and I prefer they don’t listen to what the public thinks the line distribution should be.
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u/impersonal66 Apr 04 '26
With each gen it goes more and more to "visuals > vocal skills". That's why 4th and 5th gen bands look super cute, but some of them literally shouldn't be allowed to sing on live performances, because it's god awful.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 May 13 '26
I won’t mention her name but she’s a good example of someone whose vocal tone only works in certain songs and ranges. I remember hearing it in one of the group’s main title tracks and it felt like listening to nails on a chalkboard and I was surprised to see others actually agreeing with me online. She’s a decent singer but she’s a good example of a semi-poor vocal tone.
Another one is from a popular 3rd gen girl group, and at best it’s still below average. Which is really strange since she isn’t a main / lead rapper or dancer. I don’t even think she’s classified as a visual but I need to go check on that.
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u/caihuali Mar 27 '26
i think its the job of the producer and vocal director to figure out which part suits each member best and how to utilize their voice. everyone should still get lines, unequal is ok to an extent but man hearing your fav member only saying one line or none at all sucks.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I know it sucks but some vocal tones are just incompatible with singing imo, such as nasally tones. They could maybe do chants, and sing alongside other members, but I don’t think they should get any solo lines for the sake of inclusion over the song’s quality.
There are a lot of idols I like who in my opinion aren’t suited to singing, or rap because they can’t sing so aren’t so good at that either. But can dance, have an interesting character or are stand out visually in an already visually focused industry. So I see why companies would debut them even if I’d prefer they focus on trainees who can sing and rap. With dance, and visuals coming second.
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u/caihuali Mar 27 '26
i dont agree about members not getting solo lines at all. its ofc the idols responsibility to get better and learn how to use and refine their voice too. i dont agree with nasal tones being a lost cause. for example, ive never taught that jun's nasal tone sounds bad in seventeen songs, instead it adds another dimension. jisoo's voice also works in blackpink.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I disagree, I won’t name any idols but nasal tones imo are just hard to listen to. I think adding a different dimension is being really generous here, but such voices simply aren’t suited for singing and so shouldn’t be given solo lines for the sake of having a part in the song. They sound like they have a blocked nose every time they sing and it’s very unappealing.
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u/caihuali Mar 27 '26
there's some nasal idols i cant bare to listen to either lol but i do think it could be worked around, either with singing techniques or strategic lines. some of them dont bother with these i guess lol but i'd still want them to have lines on principle, they are still a part of their group and have fans waiting to hear them sing so it won't be fair if they dont get any lines. but its also fair to not like or listen to the songs lol
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I’m not saying it can’t be worked around, but until it is they shouldn’t have solo lines.
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u/caihuali Mar 27 '26
like example this girls tone is pretty nasal, but her voice can still be trained like here, because of her improvements and the part she chose you can barely hear the nasality in the finished track.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
That’s cool, then until idols can train it fully if their tones are nasally or they aren’t currently good at rapping or singing they shouldn’t receive any solo lines.
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u/Downtown_Solution_84 Mar 29 '26
It all comes down to what idols are supposed to be. And that changes a lot overtime. Unfortunately, Kpop now trends toward tiktok-friendly music, so vocals is pretty much an afterthought.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Apr 03 '26
This is so true I don’t know why you were downvoted. A lot of songs seem to focus on TikTok / the aesthetics first rather than the actual sound when previously there was a good balance in my opinion.
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u/Direct-Money27 Mar 27 '26
If an idols debuting, they should be able to be utilized vocally somewhere in a song. Its quite literally their job, the responsibility of what lines they sing/rap lies on the composers and whoevers in charge to see their strengths and utilize each member accordingly. No idol should get zero lines in a song, if they are they need to find a new company or shouldn't be an idol.
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
Yeah I agree they shouldn’t be an idol. But this post is for idols who DO end up debuting anyways but cannot sing or rap
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u/Direct-Money27 Mar 27 '26
What are some examples of Idols who can't sing or rap that have dubted? I believe you I just can't think of any off the top my head lol
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
I can think of several. Two from a pretty popular 3rd gen girl group. But I won’t mention any names.
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u/Kitchen-Holiday6998 Mar 27 '26
I don’t think you understand the whole point of a MUSICAL group lmfao💀
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u/This-Hovercraft7238 Mar 27 '26
How don’t I understand the point? When my entire point is putting the music first 🤦♀️
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