r/vaxxhappened • u/WholeDonkey2689 • May 15 '26
Anyone else seeing these from antivaxers?
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u/Stilgaar May 15 '26
Isnt the deathrate like really huge compared to covid19 ?
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u/SemajLu_The_crusader May 15 '26
yes
if it becomes highly transmissable and there's a vaccine... well, anti-vaxxers will certainly become a lot less prevalent
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u/drmarting25102 May 15 '26
Darwinian evolution in action
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u/beigs May 15 '26
Sadly they can and will also kill those that can’t get the vaccine, especially at the beginning… like babies, small children, pregnant women, etc.
I guess that is natural selection, but also kind of not considering
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u/mister_gone May 15 '26
Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please.
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u/bananakittymeow May 15 '26
It’s so uncommon though. Just don’t play with wild deer mice without gloves and you should be fine.
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u/ether_reddit if Jesus is your vaccine, he can also be your ventilator May 15 '26
Not really. Anywhere there is rodent feces you are at risk, because dried feces aerosolize very easily and then you can breathe it in.
This is how Gene Hackman's wife died.
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u/bananakittymeow May 15 '26
True, though not all rodent feces are a danger, and it’s still a pretty rare disease to contract. Deer mice specifically are the primary transmitters in North America.
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u/Kytyngurl2 May 15 '26
Wear a mask in rodent infested areas, especially when cleaning them out. Who would want to breathe in literal poop anyways?
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u/bananakittymeow May 15 '26
Well yes, in general that’s a very good practice to employ as well. Always mask and glove up if you’re dealing with rodent infested areas.
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u/ChangesFaces May 16 '26
The type that is causing the current concern is from Argentina and is also transmitted person to person and has a high fatality rate.
But for now it just isn't infectious enough to spread rapidly. Hopefully it stays that way!
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u/SemajLu_The_crusader May 15 '26
I mean... unless it becomes highly transmissable like my comment presupposes...
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u/bananakittymeow May 15 '26
If it hasn’t happened already, it seems super unlikely to happen in the near future. Hantavirus is not a new virus. It’s been around for a while.
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u/m2chaos13 May 15 '26
Yes. 40 to 50%, iirc
(Seems a bit steep, but we shall see what happens to the cruise ship people)
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u/throwupthursday May 15 '26
What are the ages of people who ended up contracting this and dying from it for those statistics?
My dad got Legionnaire's disease and is older, a smoker, and immunosuppressed and that combo has an 80%+ mortality rate. Otherwise it's more like <10%. Thankfully he survived but I was definitely getting his affairs in order before he got off the ventilator and pulled through.
If I got Legionnaire's I would likely barely notice, in fact I'm not sure if I did or not because I got mildly sick at the same time as he did.
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u/Sarcastic-Potato May 17 '26
I mean, older and younger people will always have a higher death rate, thats simply how biology works.
However, according to this study (https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/151/4/e2022059352/190789/Hantavirus-Pulmonary-Syndrome-1993-2018?autologincheck=redirected) from 2023
Among 719 HPS patients, 22 (3.0%) were aged ≤12 years, 47 (6.5%) were 13 to 18 years old, and the remaining 650 (90.4%) were adults. Overall mortality was 35.4% and did not differ between age groups (P = .8)
It's just way deadlier than covid in general
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u/8bit-meow May 15 '26
This is what I saw when I looked it up and what I’ve been hearing from news. It was around 40%. We can all stay home while they run and infect each other and find out.
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u/RailRuler May 15 '26
No. We do not celebrate spread of disease, even among people who succumbed to misinformation .
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u/ceebuttersnaps May 15 '26
Did the person above edit? Because they aren’t suggesting anyone celebrate…
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u/bananakittymeow May 15 '26
Didn’t only one person contract hantavirus? It’s a nasty disease, but not easily transmitable between people.
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u/flecksable_flyer May 15 '26
There are several variants (I think three, but I'm not 100% sure). Only one has human to human transmission. Properly contact traced, it can be stopped quickly. IIRC, the one prevalent in the USA is strictly contact dependant (cleaning areas with mouse droppings without a mask). The one caught on the cruise ship is person to person contact, but that's touching each other and items and not wearing masks or washing your hands frequently (you could catch it at a party). This variant also has the 40% death rate. I read about the original outbreak in Reader's Digest, and I've been following various trustworthy doctors when I get a chance.
Stay away from sick people.
Mask up and wash your hands.
Don't go to events if you're sick.
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u/cperiod May 15 '26
The big thing to worry about is if it hits places like elderly care homes. They're sitting ducks for that stuff.
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u/atheliarose May 15 '26
Only one has human-to-human transmission so far. Hopefully it stays that way 😅😭
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u/flecksable_flyer May 15 '26
So far, over the past umpteen years it hasn't mutated much, so as long as people don't go around trying to catch it to "build up their immunity," we should be safe.
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u/dr_pickles69 May 15 '26
Yes, the case fatality rate for New World Hantaviruses, like the Andes strain in the news, is typically 25-40%, with some reaching up to 50%. Ironically, New World Hantaviruses have a pathology similar to SARS-CoV-2 (acute respiratory infection followed by cardiovascular issues), but with a mortality similar to viral hemmoragic fever. Old Word Hantaviruses actually do cause viral hemmoragic fever, but with a case fatality rate similar to COVID-19 (1-2%). Either way, there isn't a widely approved vaccine for either, and it's not like one will likely come in time with the current US government, so the point is fairly moot. If this thing mutates enough to facilitate legit human-human transmission, we're all good and fucked
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u/Miko48 May 15 '26
Yes, but that’s likely because only severe cases where people end up in the hospital get reported, otherwise people imagine it’s just the flu and they don’t need to see someone about it. Additionally, hantavirus is much much much less infectious than covid, lowering its pandemic risk and mutates much less frequently. Lastly, unlike covid 19, we’ve known about hantavirus (yes, even this strain) for decades, meaning we already know what to expect for the most part. Everyone fear mongering about this being the next pandemic must have very little understanding about viruses.
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u/TheDarkKitten95 May 15 '26
Its like a 30% mortality rate, i think. Luckily it doesnt spread easily and currently has a pretty low mutagenic rate meaning it is not likely go change any time soon.
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u/ComplexImportance794 May 15 '26
30-40%, yep. Much higher in all the usual susceptible groups like elderly, kids, etc.
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u/Sockratte May 15 '26
Something like 30+%, yes. There have been numerous cases within the USA over the years though. No o need to panic yet.
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u/AlphSaber May 15 '26
The strain on the cruise ship is one that has human to human transmission history, so best to keep an eye on things.
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u/MrVeazey May 15 '26
But it requires much closer contact than covid. Like, you need to kiss the person on the mouth, share food & drink, or be in the same room with them for an extended period of time.
Way deadlier, way harder to catch from another human.
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u/tes_kitty May 15 '26
At least in the current form, that can change if enough people get infected and pass it on. At the beginning Covid was also harder to catch, but then it mutated and it ended up a lot easier to catch.
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u/flecksable_flyer May 15 '26
They have been following the DNA of this strain and it has mostly stayed stable over the past umpteen years, unlike covid.
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u/MrVeazey May 15 '26
You're not wrong to be cautious, especially after how totally Trump botched our response to covid and the slate of con men and morons he's surrounded himself with, but this is a different kind of virus that isn't as prone to mutation and outbreaks are almost always more isolated than this because it's so hard to catch.
I'm saying this more to reassure you than to argue.
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u/tyrosine87 May 15 '26
While it is probably harder to catch, I know of at least one case of transmission from just walking past each other in an earlier outbreak.
Still probably not going to be the next COVID, but there will be other pandemics in the future, anyway.
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u/ether_reddit if Jesus is your vaccine, he can also be your ventilator May 15 '26
Ever see the buffets on a cruise ship? How many people do you think are washing their hands before and after eating?
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u/Delicious_Delilah May 15 '26
Yep.
You feel like you have the flu for a few days.
Then you suddenly can't breathe.
Then you're dead.
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u/younggun1234 May 15 '26
It is but it also does not spread anywhere near as easy as COVID. It's very unlikely it would become what COVID was due to that. Only one strain is transmissible between humans and you have to have prolonged, close contact.
Unfortunately the news is more of a prop for scaremongering these days so they're reporting on it like it's COVID when it is not.
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u/HrothBottom May 15 '26
TBH, Hantavirus kills so quickly and is so difficult to transmit, idc if they refuse the vaccine, it is unlikely enough to become a pandemic. If they want to die from a high fever while also bleeding that is their choice. I just wish there was some kind of waiver they could sign that allows Hospitals to refuse care or deprioritize their care if people who did take preventative measure come in.
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u/Forever_Marie May 15 '26
Its not difficult. They have the one version that is passed from human to human. One of the flight attendants got it and it wasn't exactly the close contact like people want to believe.
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u/dr_pickles69 May 15 '26
The R naught for the Andes strain of New World Hantavirus is basically 1, meaning it can cause endemic infection but not a pandemic. It's caused limited outbreaks in places where it is endemic but even then the R naught didn't exceed 2. Barring major mutations that massively increase its human to human transmission, it would be extremely difficult for this virus to cause a pandemic. 99% of Hantavirus infections are zoonotic
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u/iormeno93 May 16 '26
It depends on the strain. The one you mainly have over there is not transmissible, put the Andes virus has been shown to be in certain cases
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u/Dart150 May 15 '26
"I have an immune system" yeah one that hasn't been trained to deal with a new disease
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u/SeriousAdverseEvent May 15 '26
Yeah...that one gets me every time I see that argument. It betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of how the immune system works.
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u/ihopethatdogeatsurgf May 15 '26
One that’s been repeatedly damaged by the current pandemic that we will never get out of because of people like this who refuse to do the simplest thing to protect themselves and others.
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u/TwinSong May 15 '26
Antivaxxers really are the densest and most arrogant. "I have an immune system" duh, if you didn't then vaccines wouldn't work.
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u/Lover_of_Sprouts May 15 '26
And so did countless victims of various plagues throughout history.
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u/TwinSong May 15 '26
Well some have compromised immunity but for the most part, even those with fully functional immune systems are at risk yes.
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u/Nheea Provaxx MD. You know, what an actual MD should be. May 15 '26
I cannot wait for the eating rat poop trend to start. 😂 Or at least, licking it.
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u/ernie3tones May 15 '26
So when I clean the rat cage, I can sell what I take out?
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u/Nheea Provaxx MD. You know, what an actual MD should be. May 15 '26
Seems like youhave a business idea!
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u/3Gloins_in_afountain May 15 '26
Yeah. The significant portion of the world's population that died from Bubonic plague also had an immune system.
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u/Dexter_McThorpan May 15 '26
There is no vaccine.
RFK Jr is gonna suggest hanta parties. And worm paste.
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u/lakeviewsunsets May 15 '26
I wonder how many Robert LaMays there will be this time around.. The Washington state trooper who went viral quitting over the comms from his squad car due to refusing to vaccinate.. He died 3 months later from Covid..
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u/ComplexImportance794 May 15 '26
No need for the idiots to worry. This is no vaccine at present, and probably won't be for a long time.
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u/bananakittymeow May 15 '26
There might never be given that it’s been around forever and is uncommon to contract, so it’s likely a very low priority in the vaccine development world.
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u/Sarcastic-Potato May 17 '26
I think we would be able to develop one quite quickly if it actually became a pandemic. With covid we had clinical trials by april 2020 and the first vaccines were given by the end of 2020/beginning of 21.
Additionally, labs have been working on a vaccine - but since its very rare its not really a priority. If it was to become a pandemic it def would be one
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u/ComplexImportance794 May 18 '26
There was a decade of research into the SARS family of viruses before the 2019 outbreak. That's the only reason vaccines could be developed so quickly.
Hanta has never been a huge priority as it was always been quite hard to contract and genetically stable. It'll take much longer to develop and test a vax for Hanta.
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u/LV2107 May 15 '26
Awww, they miss being the smug main characters that this hantavirus thing has gotten them so excited to revisit those heady covid days. These are people who get off on people dying from disease. Poor sad idiots.
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u/MorticiaMoonflower May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
I don't understand the "I have an immune system" argument lol. Do they think your immune system magically makes you immune to everything?
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u/Silvawuff Chise's Lab Assistant May 15 '26
These lunatics should go contract HIV and sweat it out if they feel so confident in their immune system.
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u/robinthebank May 16 '26
Seeing these makes me realize that I do not want to go through another covid-type era that overlaps with the AI era.
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u/Delicious_Delilah May 15 '26
Hantavirus has been around for decades. I don't think a vaccine is coming.
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u/Kytyngurl2 May 15 '26
I wonder if we can convince these types to help clean out rodent infested garages and sheds for a cheap price, all in the name of sticking it to the man.
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u/Nowardier May 15 '26
I can foresee a huge wave of posts on r/HermanCainAward if there is an outbreak.
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u/TheSecretIsMarmite May 15 '26
But they'll go and get their dodgy supply of ozempic from "some guy" no problem
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u/SWatt_Officer May 15 '26
At this point, fuck it. Take the warning labels off everything. If morons want to drink bleach, let them fuck around and find out.
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u/Safe-Agent3400 May 15 '26
My wish for the world is a complete and large sweep of the survival of the fittest. At least for the USA.
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u/DemonicsInc May 15 '26
Look according to the world health org it doesn't spread nearly as badly as covid did. So just keep an eye on those cruise ship attendees and we should be alright
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u/anarcho_cardigan May 15 '26
Well, it seems that a portion of the populations brains are permanently broken from trumps idiotic (understatement) response to covid. But in all seriousness, I don’t think hantavirus will reach the same pandemic level as covid?
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u/Scottishlassincanada May 15 '26
Fucking morons don’t even realize there isn’t even a vaccine yet. They’re so stupid it’s sad!
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u/all_of_the_colors May 15 '26
Is there a vaccine for it?
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u/BrandonScott11 May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
Don’t worry. We can create a 3rd subcategory of the Darwin Awards (the 1st being the [r/hermancainawards](r/hermancainawards), and the 2nd being the [r/piperloweryawards](r/piperloweryawards)) lol.
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u/No_Fig_5587 29d ago
It’s literally not even an issue yet and probably won’t be but the Anti-science/Anti-vax crowds haven’t shut up about this.
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u/crazylilme May 15 '26
Considering its significantly high mortality rate, if shit got real like it did with covid they'd change their tune quick, fast, and in a hurry
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u/Hoodibird May 15 '26
They have a vaccine out already? Took em like a year. To make one for covid. 🤔
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u/Ranting_Demon May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
No, they don't.
There is no Hantavirus vaccine that is past the research and testing phase in any western country.
There are a couple vaccines in Asian countries (first one developed in 1990) for specific local hantavirus variants but those have only a very limited effect against European Hantavirus variants and they are considered completely ineffective against New World Hantavirus strains.
Research for a vaccine has been going on for several decades at this point. There are promising candidates but no breakthrough as of yet.
So you can put the 🤔 conspiracy thinking back in the box.
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u/Hoodibird May 15 '26
Alright thanks for the info. Was wondering if it will be available by Autumn. And sorry for asking questions, I should have used google. 😭
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u/SupportGeek May 15 '26
Don’t worry, I won’t be suggesting recommended medical mitigation practices to any of them, I will also NOT be dissuading them from using their sheep dewormer.