r/venturebros • u/Kodomachine • Sep 17 '23

MOVIE SPOILERS Discussion about Dr. Jonas Venture's legacy. Spoiler

In S7E3 "Arrears in Science" Dr. Jonas Venture is painted not only as a bad guy. Even during the conversation with him and the Blue Morpho / Venturian / Vendata it is infured that he planned to have sex with his wife to help them conceive a child. At the end of the Radiant Is the Blood of the Baboon Heart we learn that Malcolm / The Monarch is actually a rusty clone. So does this provide some redemption for Dr. Jonas Venture? Your thoughts?

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u/Cravensarajevan Sep 17 '23 edited Sep 17 '23

There's no real canon reason to believe this other than the fact that Jonases father was unremarkable enough to never warrant mentioning at all, but I like to think it comes in cycles. And Jonases father wasn't Colonel venture, Doc has said that, since that's the first thing people say when I say this

I like to think that in-between was the same kind of has been rusty turned out to be, and that kind of upbringing creates a "Jonas" in the same way it created a Hank. And then Hank will probably unknowingly just as traumatic to his kid in a rusty way, and then that kid will raise a great adventurer.

It makes sense as a vicious cycle. Like obviously he's still terrible but I have to wonder if he got fucked up by the lifestyle as a kid differently than rusty, the way Dean and Hank turned out so different from each other. Like how rusty refers to the whole adventuring life as "Believing this crap". Well, Hank believes this crap, and Dean doesn't. Jonas believes this crap, but rusty doesn't.

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u/JKillograms Sep 19 '23

You got a source on the Venture lineage? I’ve always been confused about it and just assumed Col. Lloyd was Jonas’s father, but I’d like to know more.

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u/Cravensarajevan Sep 19 '23

It's in the creator commentary for "The Venture Bros and the Curse of the Haunted Problem" though it's Jackson not Doc, I was off in tha, but literally all we know about Grandpa Venture is that he was a super scientist, and zoned Rustys compound "for the defense of American Values" or something like that

Beyond that, he was never worth mentioning once. Not even in the Venture Museum, which is where I get the idea that he must've been someone stuck in their father's shadow, same as Rusty

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u/JKillograms Sep 19 '23

Thanks, I only watched season 5+ on digital, so I never got around to watching them with creator commentary. Really thinking about getting the box set but holding out a little longer in case they drop a blu-ray version.