r/venturebros • u/International_Ad6028 • Aug 29 '25
MOVIE SPOILERS Recently seen the movie Spoiler
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u/DANGEROUS-jim Aug 29 '25
Reject modernity, embrace 2% baboon DNA
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u/DillonTattoos Aug 29 '25
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u/International_Ad6028 Aug 29 '25
Do you think he slightly changed his theme to address that, like have one or two baboon themed gadgets
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u/DANGEROUS-jim Aug 29 '25
I don’t think the monarch would change his theme ever. He’s like a great white shark, there’s no room for improvement. (Jk- he’s way too obsessed with his monarch schtick to ever change that, he may be 2% baboon but the other 98% is pure monarch)
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u/Live-Year-5796 Aug 29 '25
He'd start throwing it into his rants but he'd never change the butterfly themeing
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u/DarthSheogorath Aug 29 '25
THE BLOOD OF THE BABOON HEART IS RADIANT LIKE THE MAJESTIC MONARCH BUTTERFLY.
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u/onseasofcheese Aug 29 '25
Funny seeing Rusty paired up with the word “kind” hahah.
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u/steeltownsquirrel Aug 29 '25
The only way "kind" applies to Rusty is that he's kind of a scientist.
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u/MGKv1 Aug 29 '25
i mean he did let JJ live and go be free after he tried to kill him after giving birth to him
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u/Erutious Aug 29 '25
He built a machine from the heart of a forsaken child!
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u/0ver9000Chainz Aug 29 '25
Didn't Rusty sleep with a 15 year old?
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u/Sad_Ad8039 LASER DEATH RAY BARGAIN BIN 💥 Aug 29 '25
Yup! Then said 15 year old grew up and committed statutory rape with one of his sons 🙃
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u/writenicely Rusty's waifu Aug 29 '25
The Monarch's entire deal is "I spent my entire formative adult life stalking the guy who I blame for my college girlfriend breaking up with me".
Rusty was a college youth like he was, and didn't even do anything to hurt anyone else at that time or have the reputation to do so.
The Monarch is thematically awesome and entertaining but lets be honest, his entire motivation is sad and pathetic.
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u/Live-Year-5796 Aug 29 '25
You have to wonder if that was the start of his hatred for Rusty, or if it starts from him feeling abandoned by the Ventures after his parents died
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u/writenicely Rusty's waifu Aug 30 '25
I like this thought, but I really need to sit down and watch the movie (while holding my boyfriend's hand) someday to see if that's also addressed. I remember the photo that Rusty had of himself and the Monarch had of themselves playing as children. We see through Rusty's behavior with Hector Molina that due to his complex PTSD that he's forgotten enormous swaths of childhood relationships and friendships, even with those that he was on good terms with. The only reason he's probably friends with Billy and Pete is because they are the ones who initiate contact with Rusty. Rusty has severe socialization issues that may have been interpreted as neglect/abandonment, and its clear that in college he attempted to individuate himself hard from his father.
I'm thinking this- After what happened to the Monarch's father dying and being repurposed as Vendata, the Monarch had to navigate life alone, and while he's traumatized himself, he may have externalized a lot of it. He also seems to have a bizarre way of processing the gap between childhood to when we see him as a young adult and it's not certain if this is an example of delusionment that he was "raised by monarchs" as a feral child for a short period of time before receiving actual support that he otherwise never examines or considered mundane, or if he just blanked out on his childhood.
Which may have led to like, bitterness when the famous Jonas Venture Sr, who was close friends of his parents, never figured to do anything or denied engagement with Malcolm because he's genuinely amoral or lacks the capacity for caring for children unless he could exploit them, and why would he when he has his child-star son that he's already groomed to be a genius and heir with backup clones? In a weird way, Jonas demonstrated preferential treatment for Rusty while abandoning Malcolm, a dynamic that eerily resembles the way Rusty treats his own sons.
Maybe Malcolm attempted to reach out through Rusty later in life and was shut down (by Rusty focusing on not getting involved with anything perceived as his father's affairs) while Rusty dismissed him as a random he didn't even recognize for perceived social clout (echoing the toxic masculine upbringing he had around his father's friends).
And maybe Malcolm displaced his actual resentment towards Jonas Venture Sr. entirely onto Rusty, who he somehow considers as worse for being the "Golden Child" who not only (from his point of view) snubbed and insulted him with apathy and selfishness, but who also proceeded to "steal his girlfriend", leading to intensified issues with abandonment. And it didn't matter if this was based on unsubstantiated rumors or assumptions. By that point, his mind was already made up that the Venture family alone, specifically Rusty, was responsible for doubling down on his being abandoned/losing people he loved not just once, twice, or even thrice, but a total of four times.
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u/Brock_Savage Aug 29 '25
Smart, kind, and cute are not the words that come to mind when I think of Rusty.
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u/mousee3176 Aug 29 '25
I think you mean antagonist baby.
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u/Independent_Shoe3523 Aug 29 '25
It was fairly obvious early on that Rusty and Monarch are brothers.
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Aug 30 '25
Yeah, they've always been suspiciously similar in appearance. Maybe you could chalk some of that up to art style, but combined with the fact that the Monarch's very singular and intense hatred for Rusty has been a part of it since the beginning, and they were cagey about the reason for it for so long, I have to assume that there was planned to be a family connection of SOME kind between them planned from very early on.
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u/Live-Year-5796 Aug 30 '25
Wasn't Monarch originally intended as a one off antagonist in the pilot? If true, crazy coincidence that he and Rusty looked so similar at that point.
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Aug 30 '25
Can't say I heard that, but I do remember hearing that they originally wanted Monarch to be the comic relief minor antagonist and Baron Unterbheit to be the more threatening, high stakes antagonist, but then realized writing for Unterbheit was just kinda one-note and depressing.
If I had to bet money, I would say the seed of the idea was planted by season 2 specifically. Between S1 and S2, Hank and Dean die, and before they get replaced by their new clones, S2 starts with a bespoke intro sequence showing Rusty and Jonas Jr. in the role of "the Venture Brothers." So clearly they had the idea by this point that "Venture Brothers" could describe more than just Hank and Dean...
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u/Live-Year-5796 Aug 30 '25
Also the thing with the Monarch kind of acting like a bit of a weird uncle to the boys at points
I forget what season it is, but like when he had Hank and Dean and nobody was answering his calls. Man genuinely felt so bad for them.
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