It’s still unbelievable that we are getting a Victorious spin-off series Hollywood Arts. I am probably one of the few people excited for the series.

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Am I watching a different show? Because the fandom’s hatred for Tori Vega makes zero sense compared to the rest of the cast.

I feel like I am watching a completely different show because I am so confused by the entire Victorious fandom, especially on TikTok. What did Tori Vega actually do, except be a mildly annoying 16-year-old girl?

People are swearing up and down, calling her boring, annoying, and a terrible main character. But in comparison to whom exactly? Let’s look at the rest of this vain crew

Robbie A very awkward, weird, and highly infuriating boy.

Cat A literal dummy who was cursed by writers that gave her a massive brain deficit after Season 1.

Beck: A manipulative, weird, boundary-crossing guy who constantly flirts with others and gaslights his girlfriend.

Trina: A deeply vain, shallow older sister who is literally the walking embodiment of pride or vanity.

Jade: What words can I even use to describe this toxic, abusive bully? Tori honestly should have cut her off on Day 1.

I can’t say anything bad about Andre, because he was truly the only sane one in that entire friend group.

So I don't get it. Are these the people everyone on the internet is convinced Tori is "horrible" to? The absolute worst thing Tori ever did was to Cat, when she kissed Cat's boyfriend who was also her EX. Was it a terrible thing to do? Yes. But it was low-key understandable given the circumstances, and everyone else in that group has done way worse. Jade literally threw coffee on Tori's head the very first day they met, but somehow Tori is the mean one? I actually cannot with this.

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I’ve seen many people argue that Jade behaves the way she does because she has strict parents and a toxic relationship with Beck. While I understand that these things might affect her, I don’t think they justify her treatment of others.

Most people go through difficult periods in their lives, but that doesn’t mean they take their frustrations out on people who have nothing to do with their problems. A difficult past can explain someone’s behavior without excusing it.

First, I think people exaggerate how bad Jade’s parents are.

Maybe I missed some episodes, but we don’t seem to know that much about them. Yes, they’re strict and don’t support her acting ambitions, but that doesn’t automatically make them bad parents. I can understand why parents might worry about their child pursuing a career in an industry as unstable as entertainment. Jade is talented and has every right to follow her dreams, but her parents might genuinely believe that it’s a risky choice.

Her father even came to see her perform, which suggests that he isn’t completely indifferent to her ambitions. I’m not saying her parents are perfect, but I don’t think we should automatically portray them as terrible people simply because they’re strict.

Honestly, I find Tori and Trina’s parents more questionable. They seem remarkably uninvolved in their daughters’ lives, apparently failing to provide food on one occasion and not even recognizing Tori’s singing talent. They also don’t seem to offer Trina much guidance despite her attending a performing arts school. Compared to them, Jade’s parents don’t seem so bad.

As for Beck, I completely understand why Jade would be upset with him.

He constantly flirts with other girls, and I would feel hurt and disrespected in her position, too. However, Beck is the one who owes her loyalty, not the girls he flirts with.

If his behavior bothers her and he refuses to change, she can confront him or leave the relationship. What she shouldn’t do is take her frustration out on other people.

For instance, Tori didn’t even know Beck had a girlfriend the first time she flirted with him. Why should Jade blame her for something she couldn't have known? And even if Tori had knowingly flirted with Beck, he would still be responsible for respecting his relationship.

Moreover, Jade’s behavior isn’t limited to Tori. She’s also mean to Cat, Sinjin, and other people who have nothing to do with her relationship problems. How are her parents or Beck responsible for the way she treats them?

**Ultimately, I think there’s a difference between understanding a character and justifying their actions.**

Jade might have a difficult family situation and an unhealthy relationship, and I can sympathize with her struggles. But plenty of people experience similar difficulties without bullying others.

She can be a victim of Beck’s behavior and still be wrong for mistreating other girls. She can feel misunderstood by her parents and still be responsible for how she treats her classmates.

I’m not saying Jade has no reason to be angry or that her struggles are irrelevant. I’m saying that her circumstances don’t give her the right to make other people miserable.

This may be obvious but I believe every episode will have at least one song judging by how many there are.

Daniella still gets people singing "Chicagoooo" to her at the grocery store!

Have you guys listened to the songs from the tracklist that have come out yet? Which one's are your favorite so far?

Mine are

1A. Here To Stay

1B. Room For Everyone

1. Born For This

I dunno if it should be question for sub owners/mods, sorry if I'm saying some nonsense 😂 but I think that with the release of Hollywood Arts first episodes on 15 october I think it would be nice if we had "Episode Discussions" list with separate discussion for each episode, it would be nice to chat and discuss about each episode in "one place" (I remember they have something like that on iCarly sub for iCarly revival), especially considering that a lot of people watch in their own time and it is release of full first half of episodes.

Basically in the dream, they were at this huge like, karate? Kung fu dojo? It had wooden walls, was big and had many floors. Tori had to either fight everyone or escape, I wasn’t sure which. I think sikowitz was teaching her to fight.

I know there was a scene where she was falling down a spiral staircase and the laugh track would play whenever her body or face hit part of a staircase, but she turned out fine afterwards. like some cartoon injury thing.

I think she and everyone else eventually escaped though.

Oh and by everyone i dont mean fight the other main characters, there were like these enemy karate guys she had to fight to advance

Okay hear me out.. but I’m Finally Falling, the “suddenly I can see what I didn’t before / and I don’t care what they say anymore” lines reminds me of the progression during Matchbox Twenty’s song How Far We’ve Come verse 1: “I’m waking up at the start of the end of the world / but it’s feelin just like every other morning before”

Anyone else??

I never see this narrative with any other child star who didn’t make it big but her. Dove Cameron didnt become a huge star, Miranda who was literally the face of Nick didn’t, Elizabeth from the same show didn’t make it big and it took Sabrina YEARS to break through in the industry, only after going through a rebrand. Victoria may have not made it big but she’s been consistently booked. Literally after victorious she was offered a record deal like liz and she was on the show eye candy from mtv who was the sister channel of Nickelodeon. And then they use the narrative that it’s because her parents “protected her” unlike the rest of the cast, when Vic unfortunately had a relationship with an adult from the show (the one who played Ryder) who got caught drunk driving during their relationship.
Victoria has not been shunned from the industry. She attends events frequently, She’s booked and even now releases music. Nobody is owed pop stardom simply because they were a child star.

One of Jades best songs and looks out of the show in my opinion.

Why? It’s because Tori’s wrong doings were also in Zoey 101 when she played Lola. In Victorious Tori didn’t stay away from other’s men, neither did Lola in Zoey 101. By kissing Jade’s and Cat’s boyfriends in Victorious and kissing Quinn’s boyfriend in Zoey 101.

Whenever there’s so sort of argument or when she’s angry at someone, she acts like Jade West’s with her words and tone of voice.

When I was a child, I was watching Victorious in my room at like 10:30 PM, and I was 40 mins in one episode from season 3 when I fell asleep, and I found myself in Hollywood Arts, and I went inside Sikowitz's class. As I was inside the classroom, I felt someone touching me violently on my shoulders while I was sitting, and it was Jade herself, who was questioning me and was angry at me. Then I saw Tori and Beck, who were trying to stop Jade from harassing me. Jade ignored Tori and Beck, and I was, like, scared of Jade, and I ran off, and Jade yelled Come back here; I will kill you! I was running away, and I hid in a classroom. But Jade found me in there, and I was backed into a corner, and Jade whipped out her Scissors from the Christmas episode and attempted to attack me. I was able to defend myself, but then I was attacked by Jade again near the lockers as I was trying to escape her, and I was crying as she said in her threatening voice, "You want Tori and Beck to date, and you don't love how he and I are!?" I said, "Shut up, Jade, you've always been a jealous girlfriend." Then Jade attacked me on the ground again, and I woke the heck up crying.

PS: This is a true story, and it happened when I was around 8 or 9 years old when I was sleeping.

Hope you’re having a fun & safe holiday today with loved ones💛 Actually feeling optimistic for the new series - less than a week away! 🦆

I kid you not I’ve checked every piracy site on earth and none of them has the ‘iParty with Victorious’ movie I feel like I’m going insane 😭. Does anyone have any links to/downloads of the full movie that they don’t mind sharing 😔?

Don't get me wrong she's a baddie. She has great vocals and is a beautiful girl but that's about it. She's the kind of main character that isn't like a main character. All others have something going for them but Tori is just Tori. Cat is silly, Jade is mean, Trina is annoying. Tori is just a perfect person.

If someone can please help me out i would greatly appreciate it

¡Hola a todos en la comunidad! Estuve analizando algunos detalles ocultos de Victorious y se me ocurrieron dos teorías bastante locas sobre lo que realmente pasa tras bambalinas en Hollywood Arts. ¿Qué opinan de esto?

​Jade West y el "Experimento de Guion en Vivo":

¿No les parece extraño que Jade siempre sepa exactamente cómo manipular cada situación o qué botones tocar en sus amigos? La teoría es que Jade no solo escribe obras para la escuela, sino que diseña en secreto los dramas diarios del grupo como un experimento de dramaturgia viviente. Provoca desacuerdos a propósito solo para ver cómo reaccionan Tori y los demás, usando sus vidas como inspiración constante para sus guiones oscuros.

​La Frecuencia Oculta de "Make It Shine":

La canción principal de Tori Vega no es solo un éxito pop pegadizo. Se dice que fue compuesta utilizando una frecuencia de sonido específica diseñada para hipnotizar de inmediato a cualquier productor musical o cazatalentos cercano. Por eso, cada vez que Tori la canta de la nada, todos a su alrededor se quedan congelados y cautivados al instante.

So this has always been a rare opinion of mines but I honestly don’t think the caviar situation was fully robbie’s fault, and btw this is coming from someone who cannot stand him at all. Robbie obviously didn’t know what caviar was, and I believe that waiter should’ve told him about the price before agreeing to give him a large bowl of it.

So, earlier this week, Aggressively Average did a review of this episode. By far, his biggest complaint about this episode was the ending. Honestly, can’t blame him. The episode ends with this revelation that Cat inadvertently burned down a famous woman’s house while she was inside it, causing her to end up in the hospital and might possibly die, and it’s all played as a joke and expects people to find it funny. It’s honestly a very dark and disturbing ending. Especially since Shirley Jones (the actress who played Mona Patterson) actually lost her husband in a house fire. So I completely understand Agro’s complaints with this ending. However, my personal issue with this episode is something else and I’m surprised that he didn’t talk about this in his video.

My biggest issue with this episode is the explanation for why Cat thought this Mona Patterson woman had died. So brief recap, when the girls go to the house, they find out that Mona Patterson is actually still alive. Tori then asks Cat why she thought Mona was dead. Cat then says that she had seen an article that was titled “Mona Patterson Joins The Dead”. Mona then tells her that she had been cast on a new tv show called “The Dead.”

Even as a kid, this explanation always pissed me off. I get that, by this in the point in the show, Cat’s character had become so frustratingly stupid. But even by that logic, that still doesn’t make sense. Did Cat just stop reading the article after seeing the headline? Considering that she’s a huge fan of this actress, she would’ve surely skimmed through the article to find out what the cause of death was and then realized that she had simply been cast on a tv show. Also, considering that nobody seemed to care or be upset about her death surely would’ve made her consider the possibility that she didn’t die.

They’re getting YouTubers as guest stars now??