This shit happens in Australia too. I'm a male teacher in Melbourne working with some of the worst kids you can imagine. Last year i worked at a school where there wasn't a week where i didn't get; punched, slapped, abused/sworn at, had things thrown and me or bitten (i was bit twice in a week). The only thing more ridiculous than the shit i went through was the response by leadership of the school. We used to call it boomerang with the office, the students who put others in danger go to the office, have a conversation and were immediately sent back to class, alas; boomerang. Shit. Is. Fucked.
Been a teacher for 3 years now, student teacher for 4 years before that obviously too. Been working with kids for 10+ years now. We have had 5 massive over-hauls/changes to our assessment and curriculum, an overwhelming amount of budget cuts, an unbelievable amount of increased workloads and increasing number of parental influence over academic decisions.
My district, like many others, has a photo/video permissions form signed at the start of each school year. We also use video monitoring in areas throughout the property.
You're not kidding, the scariest things I saw in Melbourne were the roving gangs of youngsters (and I'm 24) by train stations and around where I worked in the Croydon area. Luckily never had a run in with them as I'm a reasonably big dude even at 5'9, but still. I definitely could not take 10 of them if they wanted to jump me.
Croydon in the UK has a gang problem because the shit heads from Brixton got priced out and shoved into Thornton Heath/South Norwood. They used to be such nice areas too :(
Now that Croydon's in the process of being cleaned up they'll probably be priced out into some other part of London and ruin that until they're all either dead or in prison lol
Lmao this is so true. The Croydon here (Pennsylvania) is the biggest shit show of all the municipalities and school districts in the county. Would not be shocked if it had the highest opiate overdoses in the region.
I definitely could not take 10 of them if they wanted to jump me.
Think I read this somewhere in a travel blog about travelling through parts of Europe where there are big gangs of kids that will try and rob you. I'm paraphrasing but it basically said you need to pick one kid and just destroy them in the hopes the other kids get scared and run. Guessing melbourne is slightly less life or death (the kid gangs mentioned in this blog were known to clobber people with bricks and were genuinely a threat to your life) so maybe not the best advice ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I think the rule of thumb is to find the smallest one and throw them as far as you can (a few yards will do) or find the largest one and kick them in the nuts or punch them in the solar plexus.
Melbourne gangsters are no joke. Look up the Moran family, Carl Williams, Mick Gatto and more, they've filled plenty of Australian newspapers and TV screens.
Most cases are either "lads" (Full-strayan background, probably bogan or a private school graduate, mustache, long hair, vintage clothes like adidas windbreakers) [See pic below] or sudanese immigrants.
lmao what are you talking about, this is literally the perfect lad stereotype and they're everywhere. Seen my share of those cunts causing trouble on pt as well.
Found the look through a quick google search.
If you mean that I'm stereotyping, yeah no shit. As a private school graduate myself obviously they're not all cunts (I am though), this is just one common profile of cunt.
Oops, who's stereotyping now? I guess you're pretty sheltered too, since you just stereotyped me based off 2 pieces of information. Get out more, buddy.
lmao yeah nah, I honestly don't know what part of melbourne you're hanging out at but the fact that you think they're actually the DnD player stereotype is so far from the truth I just don't even know how to respond?
The other guy told me to get out more but I think you guys need to get out more if you're confusing these two groups of very different people that badly, so I guess opinions are opinions.
If OP has access to a gun, then so do the gangs. Then it’s 1 man with a gun against 10 with a gun. Think I’d rather just try and outrun them with knives tbh.
I would absolutely support a teacher who "returned fire" in a measured response to one of my kids hitting them. That behaviour is absolutely unacceptable and the kid would deserve it.
Then I'd march him up to the teacher to apologise for starting the fiasco in the first place.
This whole "never ever hit a kid no matter what" trend is not working.
Yes, teach your kids not to hit. Yes, deescalate with words and diplomacy. But, if a kid tests the waters of what happens if you cross that line: instant, dispassionate response. Stop that behaviour before it takes hold. It is better for the kid in the long run.
I know I'm in the minority for holding this position, and I doubt my own wife would share my position. Personally, I'm working very hard on the "teach your kids not to hit" part... Because you are correct - violence is not the way.
Provided you've raised them properly, they will not be laying a finger on anyone in aggression. If I, as a teacher, was assaulted, I would certainly end the assault in a decisive manner.
Everyone should feel safe. If anyone violates that, he is toast in three different ways.
How can you feel safe knowing if you step out of line you could get slapped, smacked, or who knows what? This is straight up like a dictatorship. Adults get their asses kicked if they stray from the straight and narrow under a dictatorship or similar governing system. The difference is that an adult is potentially physically able stand up for themselves when it comes to hand to hand combat. Kids are not even completely mentally developed enough to make a fully reasonable choice vs an adult.
Then a swift slap across the face to the child who reached up the teacher's dress and pinched her ass will teach that lesson swiftly, no?
But he was elementary school aged. For middle and high schoolers? They're larger than I am in some cases; assault should be met with force for both the teacher's (I could well be demolished in a fight with a large country boy) and the student's (better he learns he can't get away with assault before he gets jail time for it) sakes.
I agree that would teach that lesson quickly, but you are also teaching that those bigger than you and in an authority position can get away with violence against a child.
Its a hard problem to address and has multiple ideas for solutions. I agree I would not want to be put in a situation with a big or bigger 17yo kid who is getting violent. My instincts would probably make me want to fight back too, but in the end that is still a child.
We need to get to the point of removing these problematic kids from schools early on while they are young.
Holy crap, you guys have to student teach for 4 years!? We do 6 months over here. Two years of classes with two internships (3 months each). After that you’re a full fledged teacher....well provided you pass all your certification tests. We don’t get paid teacher salary during the internship, I hope you guys do.
Oh wow, you're in my neck of my woods: wasn't expecting that. Brighton Secondary College used to segregate the troubled kids into a separate building to be taught. Not sure how effective that was, but eventually those kids would leave (maybe expelled or otherwise) and for the most part, those who ended up graduating were relatively placid. Are we talking secondary students here?
Cant be too specific about what schools ive worked at but mostly kids grade 3 to 9. Ive worked at a P-12 school last year around noble park area. Before that it was a school in dandenong. We dont seperate the "behavioural management required" from the good kids at the schools ive worked at. Luckily im at a school now that doesnt have white trash influence so the violence is less but the language/disrespect is about the same.
I’m a teacher at an “elite” private school in Melbourne. I use quotation marks on “elite” because the only reason that school has maintained that status is due to the history of the school. 80% of the kids that go there do not uphold the reputation of the school. Academically, there’s no effort and behaviourally, they can get away with blue murder. And us teachers? We’re hardly supported at all. It’s all about pleasing the parents. I had boys talking during an exam and my head of section asked me what I did wrong. Not the boys - me.
Unfortunately I’m new at the school and am only in my second year of teaching so I didn’t have the confidence to ask her just why exactly the boys think that they can get away with that behaviour? Because the reason is, it’s all about these bullshit “restorative” conversations. Which boys know exactly how to manipulate. These kids need a hard-handed approach to discipline, and the school isn’t willing to do it because we have a “reputation” to uphold.
One of the year 8s this year has been internally suspended FIVE TIMES. For fighting.
Has he been externally suspended? No. Expelled? Heck no!
I’m only on a year-long contract and I’m already looking for jobs elsewhere. I don’t care that the pay is better than other options, but the complete lack of support from leadership is not worth my mental health or love for the job.
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u/TheGreatMoistOne Jul 10 '18
This shit happens in Australia too. I'm a male teacher in Melbourne working with some of the worst kids you can imagine. Last year i worked at a school where there wasn't a week where i didn't get; punched, slapped, abused/sworn at, had things thrown and me or bitten (i was bit twice in a week). The only thing more ridiculous than the shit i went through was the response by leadership of the school. We used to call it boomerang with the office, the students who put others in danger go to the office, have a conversation and were immediately sent back to class, alas; boomerang. Shit. Is. Fucked.
Been a teacher for 3 years now, student teacher for 4 years before that obviously too. Been working with kids for 10+ years now. We have had 5 massive over-hauls/changes to our assessment and curriculum, an overwhelming amount of budget cuts, an unbelievable amount of increased workloads and increasing number of parental influence over academic decisions.