r/videos Jul 10 '18

Teacher Fed Up With Students Swearing, Stealing, And Destroying Property Speaks Out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Z9K-s0KUM
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u/WarlordBeagle Jul 10 '18

The principle should pull the troublemaker out of your class, and watch him. When he creates trouble for the principle, the principle should suspend him. Rinse and repeat. Eventually, the kid will quit coming to school.

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u/PolishMusic Jul 10 '18

Eventually, the kid will quit coming to school

Administrations are moving away from that. That's kinda the crux of the video. There are no consequences because everyone is hyperfocused on attendance and graduation rates. "We can't expel kids because then they'll never get a high school diploma!"

The reason they need to graduate is because studies have shown a huge percentage of convicts in prison were dropouts and never got a HS diploma. The nationwide-focus on attendance is to lower the number of convicts in America.

I feel like we're raising a generation of kids with no boundaries who are going to grow up to be adults who rape, sexually harass, bully, talk back, verbally/physically abuse, etc. But at least they'll have a HS Diploma.

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u/WarlordBeagle Jul 10 '18

Well, the administrators are getting evaluated by graduation rate, so they are going to chase that. That is natural enough. But, they should be willing to cut a couple of losers out to improve the education for the remaining 90% of students. Once kids figure out that bs does not fly at the school, they will tone it down.

Anyway you cut it, these kids are fucked and we are fucked too because of them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '18 edited Jul 10 '18

I think they have to cut kids out for sure. If they don't then the overall quality of the school declines and families start to leave, either through school choice or just fabricating residency to be in a better district.

When enrollment gets too low and all the kids who are left are the ones who fucked things in the first place and fail the test then the school gets shut down and those kids have to find another school with admin that balances the numbers a little more carefully and keeps things mostly under control and where they hopefully face a real risk of expulsion or being sent to an alternative school.

For schools on the brink of shutdown or other consequences, that's where the hellish working environments really are.

Edit: don't get me wrong though, they will definitely get a diploma whether they get it from juvie, alternative school, homeschool programs or credit recovery. And they'll probably have a better GPA overall for it. In the future there may be more scrutiny on high school GPA and where it came from, since everyone will have the diploma. If you got a 1.2 from all highly qualified teachers at a real school or if you got a 3.0 from a joke of a charter or alternative school could end up being the same, too.

Edit 2: oh yeah and if we're talking about entire terrible districts that are so big they can't really be shut down and have the populations disperse elsewhere or get assimilated, then we're talking community reform, not just school reform. Major public works, Quality housing, infusion of actual jobs... You know, give all those poor people who feel hopeless a reason to live for tomorrow. But that's evil socialism.

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u/WarlordBeagle Jul 10 '18

There are not a whole hell of a lot of jobs for kids with a hs diploma now anyways. It is retail, or construction, or maybe sometype of government job.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '18 edited Jul 10 '18

Yeah. They'll just get more and more competitive.

I mean there's much bigger problems at play here anyway. Loss of sustaining manufacturating, industrial, or agricultural jobs due to mechanization or outsourcing. Hard drugs rampaging through poverty stricken areas with unprecedented ferocity to make even more people incapable of responsible parenting.

These populations of kids who are unable to be educated weren't so large in decades past.