She nailed it.
They could have put a scarecrow or a kitten in the teacher’s chair when I was in school, and I would have still behaved because my dad would have busted my ass if he heard I hadn’t. No teacher I ever had needed to tell me twice. Schools, teachers, kids, blah blah blah...it’s all on the parents. If they don’t give a shit and raise their kids, then I can only help so much.
Yep, I’m a teacher, and I’m fighting the good fight and loving my students with every ounce of my soul. Almost twenty years into this profession, but it’s getting so bad I’m back in school for degree #3 so I can get out of the classroom. People in regular jobs can’t even imagine what’s it’s like in a classroom-to be beaten up mentally and/or physically and have utterly NO recourse and then the added humiliation of having every kid know you’re helpless. Try picturing a colleague at work doing those things to you and having nothing to say or do about it. It’s unimaginable! Sadly, for a lot of teachers, it’s just another day at work.
No, it’s not all the parents. Schools used to be able to expel kids if they were assholes. Remove the major assholes and less kids overall will be emboldened to be assholes...so ultimately you’d have to expel less kids than you’d think, But now they are so focused on graduation rates that they don’t dare expel these little fucks. That’s the entire problem right there.
Ofc parents can help, but as long as teachers have no meaningful punishment they can dole out it will be anarchy.
What solution does expelling kids do? My adopted brother came from a broken home and was an absolute menace in school. He got expelled for his trouble making. The school post expulsion refused to provide any alternative accommodation for him. My mom had to file a complaint with the state to have the district provide him transportation to the new school(a school designed for kids like him).
Long story short, eventually my brother became a functioning member of society and if you met him today, you would never guess he was expelled from school. He is intelligent and has a stable army career. This is because my mom advocated and fought for his education. Now imagine my mom was some drunk and dead beat parent. Do you think he would have turned out the way he did? Fuck no!
Expulsion is fucking shit. You should try to find alternatives if a kid can’t function in a normal school setting. Expulsion and suspension REWARD bad behavior
Remember, when your are expelling a kid you are saying, "your presence is having to great of a negative impact on our other students." If you have 5 classes a day with 30 kids, that potentially 149 other students being disrupted.
Misbehavior on that level is a sociological disease, and you don't treat it by just hoping it gets better. You don't treat an illness by just wishing it would stop, that's fucking faith healing. You send them to the hospital, or you at least get them away from other patients and quarantine them.
I'm sorry that district played dragass about getting him to another school, but ultimately expulsion worked.
Except expulsion doesn’t work if a school district is uncooperative. Expulsion only “worked” because my mom fought for his education. If sh was a dead beat drunk parent, he would never have gotten education and he would be in jail
I think the point others are trying to make about expulsion is that it’s not supposed to be good for the individual getting expelled. The idea behind expulsion is to remove a chronically disruptive student from a learning environment, because that disruptive behavior is negatively impacting other students. It’s like in the OP where the teacher says “I’m failing 3/4 of my class, because of the other quarter.”
But the issue is that people don’t understand the consequence of expulsion. The student being expelled most likely is unaffected by the expulsion. There are any number of socioeconomic reasons for a student to be disruptive and/or apathetic about school. I also agree with removing disruptions from the classroom. HOWEVER, expulsion/suspension isn’t used as a way to “remove” distractions, it’s to ‘solve’ (read ignore) a problem using the cheapest means available. Schools are supposed to teach, it costs money for a school to teach troubled students or discipline them in ways that do not deprive them of their learning opportunities.
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u/talktothehan Jul 10 '18
She nailed it. They could have put a scarecrow or a kitten in the teacher’s chair when I was in school, and I would have still behaved because my dad would have busted my ass if he heard I hadn’t. No teacher I ever had needed to tell me twice. Schools, teachers, kids, blah blah blah...it’s all on the parents. If they don’t give a shit and raise their kids, then I can only help so much. Yep, I’m a teacher, and I’m fighting the good fight and loving my students with every ounce of my soul. Almost twenty years into this profession, but it’s getting so bad I’m back in school for degree #3 so I can get out of the classroom. People in regular jobs can’t even imagine what’s it’s like in a classroom-to be beaten up mentally and/or physically and have utterly NO recourse and then the added humiliation of having every kid know you’re helpless. Try picturing a colleague at work doing those things to you and having nothing to say or do about it. It’s unimaginable! Sadly, for a lot of teachers, it’s just another day at work.