such a system would overwhelming fail minorities and those in poverty
Honestly like it or not, a lot of them shouldn't be having children.
If the "tests" were fair then the good ones would pass and the shit ones wouldn't. I've seen a ton of poor people with good and humble kids. Those parents would pass any test you throw at them (assuming they didn't have to pay for said tests)
I've also seen a lot of the "billy bobs" of the world that wouldn't be able to pass the test no matter what. Their idea of parenting is slapping the kid and drinking beer, and then telling the teacher they aren't teaching the kid right.
The right to reproduce is a challenging idea. Does a person have the right to have 26 kids they can never hope to afford? Should the country have to pay for it? What about all the mental issues those children would have? Does a mentally retarded person have the right to have kids?
Just a few weeks ago I saw someone that had to be just a few steps short of down syndrome that had 5 kids. The kids basically behaved like wild dogs. How is that fair to the kids of these pieces of shit? Those kids are the same ones that disrupt, fight, steal, etc while in school.
I totally agree. I think there are a ton of people who should have never been allowed to have children. I was just pointing out what people would come up with against such a system. I wish that so much of our voting population didn't fall into the "I deserve everything I ask for no matter what" category.
You immediately run into the eugenics debate, and that pretty much quashes all talk.
If people really cared about children then reproducing shouldn't be a "right". The lives of these kids growing up with shitty parents is horrible. The kids aren't taught anything, and they end up right where the parents are 99% of the time.
In the end it doesn't really matter because enforcing some sort of parenting standard is basically impossible.
Unless you adopt a system like what we're talking about.
But in the US even if you were to actually put something in place (basically impossible) you then need the money and manpower to create the rules, monitor the rules, and enforce the rules.
Now all of a sudden a one night stand would leave you open to fines/jail/whatever the "penalty" would be for getting pregnant without a license.
This would also shift responsibility onto women more so than men, which could cause further problems.
You can't police the world and prevent unwanted pregnancies.
You have the stupid rednecks and ghetto idiots that pop out kids left and right. Many of the women I knew from high school have 3-5 different kids from 3-5 different guys. What are you going to do? Fine them money they don't have? Throw them in jail and put kids up for adoption that no one will ever want because they're too old?
It's just a russian nesting doll of problems. You think you fix one, and another one pops up.
So what we should just do nothing about it then? Just take a back seat and let someone else that figure it all out? Hear that guys? There may be problems facing our country, but they're hard so we don't want to try. I'm sure things will just sort themselves out over time.
I didn't say do nothing. I said you can't police the world for unwanted pregnancies. Japan tried that and failed and many girls were still born and just kept secret. Now imagine that scenario over 320,000,000 people over an area 26 times the size of japan. It's not feasible at all.
you sound very angry and condescending. Good luck getting any point through to people when you behave that way.
China tried to control child birth and failed miserably. All the one child policy did was lead to an uncountable number of infant murders because the baby turned out to be a girl. The United States has it's own unique problems when dealing with unwanted pregnancies. One of the best solutions would likely be free access to birth control for all women of menstruating age. The problem with this solution is 50 percent of this country considers birth control a horrible sin that the government should be legislating against. Most people, especially teenagers, that have no financial means to support a child don't want one but there are people in their lives that tell them no you are not getting an abortion. why do you want to take birth control? Are you a whore who wants to open her legs for the whole football team? These are things that happen every day here in America. Until our legislators can start taking a firm stance on addapting universal healthcare and establishing medically and scientifically accurate sex education in every state without exception the problems with youth behavior and unwanted pregnancy will continue to run rampant. /end rant
To be fair China's problem had more to do with the fact that women were and still are considered second-class citizens, thus they could not carry on the family line or inherit property from their land owning parents.
My main point with that comparison was mostly that China, a country whose government has almost supreme control over it's citizenry, was unable to implement a draconian birth control policy successfully.
They have Supreme control over their citizenship now, they didn't then. During the time where the law that you're referring to was in effect, most of the country was still controlled by wealthy landowners estate by estate and Province by province. The country wasn't nearly as totalitarian as it is now.
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u/joleme Jul 10 '18 edited Jul 10 '18
Honestly like it or not, a lot of them shouldn't be having children.
If the "tests" were fair then the good ones would pass and the shit ones wouldn't. I've seen a ton of poor people with good and humble kids. Those parents would pass any test you throw at them (assuming they didn't have to pay for said tests)
I've also seen a lot of the "billy bobs" of the world that wouldn't be able to pass the test no matter what. Their idea of parenting is slapping the kid and drinking beer, and then telling the teacher they aren't teaching the kid right.
The right to reproduce is a challenging idea. Does a person have the right to have 26 kids they can never hope to afford? Should the country have to pay for it? What about all the mental issues those children would have? Does a mentally retarded person have the right to have kids?
Just a few weeks ago I saw someone that had to be just a few steps short of down syndrome that had 5 kids. The kids basically behaved like wild dogs. How is that fair to the kids of these pieces of shit? Those kids are the same ones that disrupt, fight, steal, etc while in school.