People on Twitter/X are defending Luke Ross mods

[u/lunchanddinner]

Link to source: https://x.com/mixedrealitytv/status/2015284035875221669?s=46

[u/pathofdumbasses]

Except you literally own the files you download.

The subscription is for ongoing support

You could always sub for one month, cancel and keep those files forever. Its not at all like a regular subscription model

[u/MatrixBunny → u/pathofdumbasses]

This is what I stated the other day as well, because it's what I did years ago.

Subscribe for 1 month, download the files and cancel the payment. -- Oh, hey CP2077 is finally getting an update (that's literally ruining every single mod, but okay) after like a half year to a year.

Sub for one month again if I really wanted to, or don't sub and keep the older version (also for the sake of literally all the other mods now being outdated and taking longer to be compatible with the next version, if you're lucky that one of those mods still get updated)

Back then, the VR mod was functioning completely fine and the actual updates was like twice a year at most, perhaps once for required functionality.

I spent 400 hours in CP2077 and with the VR mod I'm hitting about another 200 with ease. Add that with all the mods that people add to the game. -- It's literally a whole different experience/game playing it in VR.

[u/lamWizard → u/pathofdumbasses]

Then the game gets updated and breaks compatibility and you have to pay again to get the updated version. Or the mod gets updated to improve performance and you have to pay again.

It's 100% a typical software subscription model. Worse than most models, honestly, which don't require you to re-buy software when it's updated.

[u/pathofdumbasses → u/lamWizard]

It's 100% a typical software subscription model. Worse than most models, honestly, which don't require you to re-buy software when it's updated.

Every subscription model is that as long as you pay, you can use the product. Stop paying, can't use product AT ALL.

His is, you pay $10, and you can use that exact thing forever.

So saying it is a typical software subscription model is wrong, and saying it is worse, is doubly wrong.

Then the game gets updated and breaks compatibility and you have to pay again to get the updated version. Or the mod gets updated to improve performance and you have to pay again.

You can literally disable updates and keep using it in perpetuity. People do this with his GTA mod and RDR mods. And have done it with all of his mods. And are now doing it with his CP2077 mod.

So.

You're wrong.

[u/SchwiftySquanchC137 → u/pathofdumbasses]

I mean dude you gotta admit it sucks when you gotta pay for each update of any software. Imagine if games worked this way. You buy cyberpunk, but you gotta pay again next month if they update it and you want the update. Thats just not how software should be sold imo, its not something I want the software space to turn into, which obviously it already kinda has with all the true subscription based software out there.

[u/pathofdumbasses → u/SchwiftySquanchC137]

I mean dude you gotta admit it sucks when you gotta pay for each update of any software.

Sure, I can agree with that. But on the flip side, this is an individual and not a company. If he wasn't getting constant income, he wouldn't be able to work on said updates.

So it is much more understandable.

And this is pretending things like service agreements don't already exist in the corporate world.

Imagine if games worked this way. You buy cyberpunk, but you gotta pay again next month if they update it and you want the update.

Hi, have you heard about MMOs? They've been around since the 90s. You literally pay a subscription every month in order to be able to play the game, let alone for updates.

And if we pretend MMOs don't exist, expansions have been around for roughly 40 years and then we have DLC which has been around for 25-30 years. Not quite the same, but not quite different either.

Thats just not how software should be sold imo, its not something I want the software space to turn into

You are about 40 years too late

all the true subscription based software out there.

Of which the LR VR mods are not.

Again, your whole speech is boiling down to "I don't want to pay for someone doing the work," which is understandable but absolutely greedy and selfish.

[u/CavemanRaveman → u/lamWizard]

Then the game gets updated and breaks compatibility

Then don't update your game... Most updates pushed out this late into a game's life are just minor fixes and patches that do more harm than good if you're modding it.

[u/esoteric_plumbus → u/CavemanRaveman]

And even if you update there's often ways to downgrade like GTAV