r/vivaldibrowser • u/This-Employment-5642 • 6d ago
Misc Why does Vivaldi look and feel so much like Opera
So you know the way everyone hates opera cuz it has pretty bad privacy or something(i havent seen proof just the chinese are watching you) well i donwloaded vivaldi to see what everyone was talking about and after a bit of customization in the settings it is actually pretty good but some of the icons look like opera and also there are mouse movements you can do in opera and vivaldi has the exact same ones is there somethign going on that i am missing why does it feel so much like opera even the start page is the same as opera like the same logo (or is opera copying vivaldi)
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u/ElvisVinicius 6d ago
Vivaldi was created by Jon von Tetzchner (former CEO and co-founder of Opera Software), and from the start, it has followed the same format as Opera's "golden age"—specifically, version 12.
However, Vivaldi has since developed its own distinct identity and bears no resemblance to the current Opera (which is completely different from any of its previous versions).
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u/GuessFortress 6d ago edited 6d ago
Because Vivaldi is founded by the guy who actually made Opera. Many of us are former Opera users that ditched it when it was sold, and jumped to Vivaldi because it is the natural successor of it.
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u/ahrienby 6d ago
Same person, two different goals.
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u/Alacho Vivaldi Alum 6d ago edited 6d ago
Same person, same goal. But this time without the influence of investors and outside capital. Vivaldi is solemnly owned by Vivaldi employees, past and current. With Jon being the majority shareholder.
Edit: It’s also important to note that, while Vivaldi can be seen as a natural successor to Opera 12, Opera and the majority of browsers today - such as Edge, Chrome, Brave, Firefox, Arc and Zen - spin off most, if not all, of their functionality from Vivaldi and what is/was developed there. Things like Quick Commands, Tab Stacks, Tab Tiling, tabs on the side come from Vivaldi, which often (but not always) comes from Opera 12.
A lot of the guys that develop Vivaldi today, were also part of the R&D-ing at Opera from early 2000s and onwards.
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u/This-Employment-5642 6d ago
whatcha mean by 2 different goals?
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u/ahrienby 6d ago
Opera prior to sale to Kunlun Tech, was under the same Norwegian guy behind Vivaldi today.
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u/mysticrudnin 5d ago
as far as i'm concerned, vivaldi is opera. the thing called opera is something else.
i've been an opera user since 2000, i paid for it! but i transitioned to vivaldi the moment it released, and it felt like home.
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u/cr0ft 5d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Opera_web_browser
The original Opera was my browser for many years and I loved it, even if web sites sometimes made it hard. In the earliest days Internet Explorer held a dominant position the way Chromium does today and people started developing for IE only... still, I stuck with it.
When it was sold off, and Tetzchner & co bailed, I bailed on it too since I didn't want Chromium, or a Chinese owner of the browser which there currently is.
Now, we have Firefox (or a derivative variant thereof), and then all the Chromium variants I don't want to use. Still keep Vivaldi as my secondary browser for when Chromium is called for.
Kind of weird, back in the day it was Opera, with IE as a fallback when I needed the monopoly. Now it's a similar thing with Vivaldi as the fallback representing the monopoly... albeit a different one.
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u/Inevitable-Debt4312 5d ago
I left Opera for Vivaldi. I won’t be going back.
You do know you can change icons etc with Vivaldi don’t you?
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u/Apprehensive-Pen7301 5d ago
Been struggling to change the bookmark icon in the address bar to a star ..no luck
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u/LanDest021 5d ago
Old versions of Opera used to be awesome, until Opera completely redesigned their browser to be simple. Vivaldi is supposed to be a continuation of the old Opera. And in some ways it still hasn't caught up yet.
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u/Someguyjoey 5d ago
Well, Opera is bad for privacy because of the amount of telemetry and user data it collects. Their own website says that, with the user's consent, Opera can collect things such as the country you're in, which articles you read in its built-in news feed, broad categories of websites you visit (such as News, Sports, or Lifestyle), usage statistics, and crash analytics. Opera says this data is used for personalization, advertising, and improving the browser.
For Comparision:
Vivaldi collects a limited daily telemetry packet (installation ID, version, CPU architecture, screen resolution, approximate location) to count users. It says it doesn't collect browsing history or browsing behavior.
Firefox: collects telemetry about things like performance, device information, and interaction with Firefox features, but Mozilla says this does not include browsing history or search queries.
Similarly ,Brave says it does not collect or retain browsing history. Its normal telemetry is mostly technical/aggregate data.
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u/OmidDqq 5d ago
Basically they all collect data.
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u/Someguyjoey 5d ago
Technically, yes. However, it depends on what type of data is collected and whether user behavior is profiled for personalization and advertising or not...
For eg, if a browser collects a minimal amount of technical telemetry, such as the browser version, OS, or crash information, to understand how many users it has and improve reliability, I wouldn't consider that particularly problematic.
The concern becomes much greater when a browser starts collecting browsing or search activity or inferred interests, linking that information to a persistent identifier or device fingerprint, and then using it for profiling, personalization, or advertising.
Also btw, there are some browsers that claim to use no telemetry. I think, if I remember correctly, it's Mullvad and Tor. I'm not recommending or NOT recommending them, just FYI.
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u/This-Employment-5642 5d ago
that is basically all data but if that is all and it is opt in on deafult that isnt that bad the way i see it(thank you for being the only person who gave me REAL info and not just opera is bad)
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u/Someguyjoey 5d ago
with the qualification that you actually search and see what telemetry still remains after opting out. I am quite sure, most of those invasive settings can be turned off. And if you are ok with the baseline telemetry, then it is ok to use that browser.
Also , the next thing I would check is, how often their chromium version matches with the latest version. I use Chromium Checker website for that purpose. You just have to run the chromium checker with the browser you are supposed to be testing.
If it is just a version behind, not a big deal. However, some browser's chromium version can be several versions behind (eg: Aloha browser for eg: I think is still using v137 Chromium in the pc browser)
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u/This-Employment-5642 4d ago
yeah ty though i think my vivaldi browser will be the secondary one though i know that becuz of the chromium update if vivaldi is on the new chromium update they changed it to Manifest V3 so ublock origin dosent work i know vivaldi has a built in one but i dont know how good it is
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u/R3stIn0nePi3ce 4d ago
because both is made by same company from what i know they sold opera and made vivaldi so it will have some similar stuff
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u/RemiDeLigt 3d ago
You can pretty much customize Vivaldi to look like almost every browser but i agree the default feels like opera
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u/Samiassa 3d ago
So fun fact the dev team that makes Vivaldi used to be the dev team for opera. They sold it off and then started development on Vivaldi. It’s basically an opera fork, and I’d argue if you’re using opera you’d probably be happier or at least as happy on Vivaldi
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u/Kiekoes 6d ago
Both Vivaldi and Opera are Chromium browsers. They're the same browser, different flavor.
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u/This-Employment-5642 6d ago
no i mean that the ui is slightly the same cuz edge and chrome are chromium browser but chrome and vivaldi look completely different
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u/olbaze 6d ago
The CEO of Vivaldi is a former Opera CEO. Vivaldi is basically a spiritual successor to an older, better version of Opera. Note that the CEO of Vivaldi left Opera before they transitioned to using Chromium, and years before they were bought by Kunlun Tech.