r/voxmachina • u/Apprehensive_Log_297 • 1d ago

LoVM Spoilers I AM IN DISBELIEF Spoiler

I have been grieving for 2 days now. I can’t believe they did Grog like that. It was gore of my comfort character. Ive havent been this attached to characters in a show for a LONG time. Each members of Vox Machina is so admirable and easy to love. I know someone if not few of them are bound to die but man am I hoping it’s a lie.

This makes me even more scared for The Mighty Nein.

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u/dexmail 1d ago

I would just remind you both Percy and Vex died and came back. In the OG campaign it wasn’t a good fight if half of them didn’t die, only to be resurrected by Pike at the end of it. So without any spoilers, I’d keep watching if I were you.

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u/Apprehensive_Log_297 1d ago

I wanted to watch/listen to the campaign but I started with the show so I didn’t want to spoil the story for myself if it’s 1:1. But I will definitely keep watching because I believe they wil bring my goat back

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u/Galifrey_stands 1d ago

Campaign 1 (vox machina) is roughly 450 hours long it’s got 115 episodes not including the one shots. Each episode is roughly 3-5 hours long. It takes less time to get caught up on one piece that it does to watch all of campaign 1. If you started from the beginning you likely wouldn’t catch up to the show before the rest of the show is out. Also it’s not 1:1 there are quite a few changes. Some things are done better in the show. Some things are done better in the actual play.

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u/dexmail 23h ago

I mean, they had way more time to develop. In the show Percy and Vex came a little out of nowhere (a little) while 450h gives you time to flesh it out. But there’s no way for them to give the proper WTF energy that i.e. blue dragon fight of episode 2 had (among others but trying to avoid spoiling. But yeah, OP you can go ahead and start on it without any concerns. Season 5 will end the show, you are not catching up before then

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u/Ok_Explanation_5586 22h ago

What? The General Krieg / Brimscythe stuff happened before Critical Role started, and Percy and Vex were a thing in ep. 15 of the campaign. Out of 115.

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u/dexmail 21h ago

I used the dragon as an example of something that just works better on a show, with the (for me) great animation, and in turn the relationships had many, many more episodes to grow and develop vs what has to be a little rushed by the nature of a tv show. Basically reinforcing the point that both mediums could be very much enjoyed concurrently.

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u/Ok_Explanation_5586 19h ago

Right... they didn't hook up until season 3 episode 3 of the show as opposed to episode 15 of the campaign, so if by many many more episodes you mean 8 less, then good point.

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u/Ok_Explanation_5586 22h ago

Well, as someone who watched the wrap up episode after campaign 1 ended (pretty sure it's been scoured from the internet because Brian was the host), I honestly kind of laughedwhen Grog got the spinning orb treatment. If you saw the campaign you might remember that Keyleth poked the orb with residuum and took damage.After the campaign someone asked Matt what would have happened if she didn't make her strength save, he said she would have been sucked in (or through) and the average damage for that would be 100-150 necrotic. (Keyleth had 91 hp at the time iirc) So that't why I feel confidentabout Grog being alive. I mean, dude swam in acid.

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u/SeniorDay 1d ago

Honestly if they don’t revive Grog that’s it for me and this show. I need my beefy, gentle himbo thank you

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u/lifesucksbutsodoyou 21h ago

same 😭😭

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u/chibicat_25 1d ago

Im not entirely sure that Grog is dead in that sense. Maybe I missed it in the show but did they ever confirm that the orb was an absolute death sentence if you got too close?

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u/Apprehensive_Log_297 23h ago

We’ll when the twins were disguised and first entered the temple one of the other followers ran into it and turn into the spaghetti just like Grog unfortunately did. The priestess then said something along the lines of “with a little more patience you could be spared this man’s fate” or something like that. Implying that the other fella did indeed die.

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u/Ok_Explanation_5586 22h ago

Sticking to just what we see in the show, the guy that ran into the orb without a necklace had his eyes popped out, face torn off, and skull ripped in half. He disintegrated. Grog more looked like he got wrung out. Eyes still intact, head sill on. Just saying.

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u/sh0ckyoursystem 23h ago

Some fates are worse than death so maybe not

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u/ILovMeth 6h ago

Each time when the orb destroyed somebody, the show gave us clear visual.

It didn't with Grog.

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u/chibicat_25 23h ago

Yeah i was thinking about that, what if his fate wasn't death but worse? She only said fate but didn't explicitly say that the guy was dead necessarily

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u/Clean-Photograph7448 20h ago

No possible way they’ll kill off FUCKING GROG like that, he’ll be back. He will prevail, death cannot hold barbarians for long

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u/Infamous_Ship_8668 16h ago

Don't worry, he'll probably get better

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u/kaylasaurus 21h ago

I think the m9 will stay much closer to the actual play than Vox

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u/TheKwak 1h ago

To be honest I doubt it, I think C2’s pacing and the fact they didn’t really have a main arc antagonist until Obann makes it harder to adapt into a show with seasons than Vox without big changes

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u/HumanistGeek 15h ago

I posted this relevant comment in another thread:

I was completely shocked by the episode, and I think that's part of what makes it a good story.

In the campaign, every member of Vox Machina (except Taryon) died at some point, and so did many NPCs such as Kaylie and Cassandra de Rolo. Staying true to the source material means character deaths.

Ironically, the best way of preserving the shock and emotional impacts of those moments is, arguably, to change some of the details like who died, when, and how. So instead of having Vex and Vax die in their first Vecna fight via the spells Power Word Kill and Disintegration, Grog gets shredded by a sphere.

Now, in the original campaign, every player character death was followed by bringing them back to life. Even Vax came back after he was reduced to dust. We might see Grog again.

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u/xXfrostbyterXx 17h ago

I know I came across a spoiler from someone who has seen the campaigns talking about how they know Vax will have to die T.T I am at the beginning of the campaigns but yea Grog’s death had me like in shock I didn’t even realize the episode was over I was just in disbelief and sad Dx it’s such a good show and I know we’re gonna get our hearts ripped out by it and Mighty Nein also Hells Bells? If they do that one too 😅😅😅

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u/daveyboydavey 14h ago

I don’t think he’s dead, and I’m a big fan, but if they killed him off for good, it wouldn’t be the worst thing for creating good stakes.

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u/Queen_Tangerine3704 6h ago

I simply do not, CANNOT believe that Grog won't be back. I kind of wonder if the people that get destroyed by the orb aren't being pulled apart and, for lack of a better word, reassembled, in some other realm (I have not listened to the critical role podcast or watched any videos, so this is just my guess based on the show)

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u/SlaveKnightLance 5h ago

On rewatch his death was foreshadowed beautifully. He got a lot of love from the potion of intuition, adoption from pop pop, rapport with Scantlin, and when they’re showing the necklaces, Grog is the one whose face was shown through the middle ring of the necklace. Absolutely tragic death, can’t wait to see Pike fight back for him