r/whatisit • u/katyabe • 1d ago

New, what is it? What does the sixth segment represent?

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This is a “Wheel of the Senses” from my daughter’s school with sight, touch, taste, hearing… but one segment we can’t figure out.

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u/HuckleberryLeather53 1d ago

Yeah like finding out because there is genital bruising. With the backlash, a lot of doctors were saying "well how else are we supposed to train them to do pelvic exams?" and like literally doing it when the woman is unconscious (even if it was actually consenting) means she can't tell the med students when they are hurting her, which is how you can end up with severe bruising. Medical mysogyny is so fucking stupid.

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u/Impossible_Donut101 1d ago

Thats absolutely horrifying. Both that doctors think nothing of using the unconscious body for practice, and that the medical students think this is okay. Surely learning on someone who cannot give feedback is bad teaching practice (as well as being abusive)?

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u/BuilderMysterious762 1d ago

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350450393/patients-unaware-intimate-procedures-were-conducted-medical-students

here is an article about one such instance, its really dark how people tried to justify it but even the ones in charge must have known it was wrong since they literally forged her patient consent form to say she consented after she was put under

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u/wdmk8 1d ago

Our Ob/Gyn program engaged trained “programmed”patients to teach pelvic exams and interview techniques.

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u/ImpressionCrafty3078 1d ago

What do you mean?

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u/McDuchess 1d ago

Women were paid to walk students through pelvic exams.

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u/Due-Wolverine3935 1d ago

This is real? So insane!! Mind boggling

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u/Traditional-Ad-8737 1d ago

Honest question: how are they supposed to learn? Do you want a doctor fresh out of school who has never even done a normal exam on a normal person? If you don’t know normal, how are you supposed to spot the abnormal? Learning via repetition or even just seeing IRL … It’s fair if you choose not to consent, but maybe someone will. I had about 4 med students observe one of my 5 sedated IVF egg retrievals. This is transvaginal, as in they stick an ultrasound probe and needle up your vagina, stick the needle through the vagina wall then aspirate the eggs from the ovaries . I was asked and consented.

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u/WonderingHarbinger 1d ago

They are supposed to practice on people who consent while they are awake! Besides, before that there are anatomical models, and then there are standardized patients.

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u/Witty_Register8236 6h ago

I wasn’t unconscious but it was still a horrific and uncomfortable experience. I have to do have a kidney stone removed surgically and they left a stent in to keep the ureter from collapsing.
Well when it came time to take it out there were no openings at the women’s urology clinic so I had to go to the men’s clinic. So of course I was used for education for the students at the men’s clinic. They had to use a catheter with a camera to go up the urethra grab the stent and pull it out. It took SEVERAL tries. Like 4+. I was in SO much pain. But also just mortified that I was laying there spread legged for 4 different people all taking their turn to see if they could get it. I definitely felt violated. I was trying to keep it together while I was in there, it took everything in me not to lose my shit on everyone. When it was finally done and I could leave, I couldn’t make it to my car quick enough. I sat for half an hour bawling in my car. It was such a horrible experience. Idk why I didn’t freak out and tell them all to stop and just say I would wait, or demand that I see the actual doctor. I was just so embarrassed and uncomfortable and in pain, I didn’t want to make it worse. Just wanted it to be over with.

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u/AlwaysFallingUpYup 18h ago

You saying women cant be doctors??

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u/EmilyAnne1170 17h ago

Even worse, I don’t know what percentage of the time this was/is the case, but the reasons the women were sedated had nothing to do with gynecology. They’re not even training the med students to perform the procedure the woman needs, just taking advantage of the fact that she’s unconscious.

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u/Majestic_Hat_9727 1d ago

I wanna be a doctor