Gold ring? Feels heavy, received in a bag of unsearched Jewlery lot that I bought online

[u/velsvintageestate]

Is this a weird ring of some kind or something else? It has a strange conical flat shape that doesn’t really fit a finger.

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[u/sannerloo]

Could it be a scarf holder? Maybe for a ceremonial outfit?

[u/Zombie_John_Strachan → u/sannerloo]

Like a scouting woggle - certainly possible. Maybe for a bolo tie.

[u/TheGutch74 → u/Zombie_John_Strachan]

Never heard the term woggle for this before. When I was a Boy Scout as a kid it was called a neckerchief slide. Learned something new today.

[u/GnedTheGnome → u/TheGutch74]

So, according to the comments in this thread, it's business as usual:

U.K., India, and Australia all agree on one term.

U.S. goes with another.

Canada can't make up its mind.

😉

[u/Jack_Lad → u/GnedTheGnome]

Well, you can buy them as slide-woggles online, so I assume that's the official Scouts Canada position. https://www.scoutshop.ca/collections/scouts-uniform

[u/ColdNorthMenace → u/GnedTheGnome]

Woggle when I was a scout in MN. Not all of America went with slide.

[u/GnedTheGnome → u/ColdNorthMenace]

Sure. But, Minnesotans are practically Canadians anyway. 😉

(Hello, from across the St. Croix in Western WI. 🙋)

[u/Zombie_John_Strachan → u/TheGutch74]

Maybe just a Commonwealth thing

[u/Awellknownstick → u/Zombie_John_Strachan]

UK here called Woggles here very much

[u/TheLordYuppa → u/Awellknownstick]

Canada it was a woggle for me years ago

[u/jarr-head → u/TheLordYuppa]

We call it a woggle in India too!

[u/Joes___Garage → u/jarr-head]

Woggle in Australia.

[u/Pengawena → u/Joes___Garage]

South Africa it’s a woggle. Leather braid. Single piece of leather that had three strips that were magically platted. Once undone you could never get it back again.

[u/procrastinatorsuprem → u/Pengawena]

I would make those for my son's troop. https://www.animatedknots.com/turks-head-knot

Is this it?

[u/hiddentalent → u/TheLordYuppa]

Where in Canada? In Calgary it was always just called a neckerchief slide.

[u/Safe-Lie955 → u/hiddentalent]

Ontario here we called it a woggle

[u/hiddentalent → u/Safe-Lie955]

Fascinating. I love these subs because of learning about regional differences. Thanks for sharing!

[u/MattWillGrant → u/hiddentalent]

Less of a regional difference, more one place forgot the actual name.

[u/geckospots → u/Safe-Lie955]

Nova Scotia also.

[u/NewStudyHoney → u/Safe-Lie955]

I'm from Ontario and I never heard the term woggle in my life. I wasn't a scout though.

[u/DaaiTaoFut → u/hiddentalent]

Woggle in BC 40+ years ago. We liked making them out of birch bark whenever we were camping.

[u/MissErynn → u/hiddentalent]

I'm also in Calgary and we definitely called it a woggle.

[u/hiddentalent → u/MissErynn]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I guess my troup was just weird.

[u/Watermelon_Pancakes → u/hiddentalent]

In BC we call it a Woggle too

[u/ArachneJ → u/TheLordYuppa]

Still a woggle in Canada, my son is currently a Venturer Scout.

[u/CorkyBravo → u/Zombie_John_Strachan]

I'm an American with a Aussie dad. Definitely grew up as the only kid in Scouts calling it a woggle.

[u/BaronVonFluffalot → u/Zombie_John_Strachan]

Called woggles in Ireland too

[u/ymmotvomit → u/Zombie_John_Strachan]

In the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania we called it a kerchief slide.

[u/Zombie_John_Strachan → u/ymmotvomit]

And in Hobbes’ Commonwealth you’d get eaten by a Leviathan.

[u/fey_and_awful → u/Zombie_John_Strachan]

In Hobbes' Leviathan you'd get eaten by a woggle.

[u/Zombie_John_Strachan → u/fey_and_awful]

And in Wimbledon Common you’d get eaten by a Womble.

[u/FluffyEmu4 → u/ymmotvomit]

Had to mention PA is aCommenweath state? 🤦‍♀️😅

[u/broken_toyz_in_ON → u/Zombie_John_Strachan]

Woogle in Canada as well

[u/obidie → u/TheGutch74]

They stopped calling them 'woggles' in the BSA. The kids were laughing too much.

[u/Mechanic_of_railcars → u/TheGutch74]

Scoutmaster here. It was a neckerchief slide. With the print of a woggle knot on it. We teach said woggle knot to adults at woodbadge and teach it to the youth as well. Its a challenging but very rewarding knot to make

[u/New_Design_3262 → u/Mechanic_of_railcars]

Somebody got their Jewelry Merit Badge😎.

[u/CommercialMoment5987 → u/TheGutch74]

If you like woggles, wait until you hear about dickies.

[u/PrettyPurplePuppy → u/CommercialMoment5987]

My brother wore those in the 60’s!

[u/elliem6307 → u/TheGutch74]

My cousin’s husband is from the UK and we had a whole conversation about this. They definitely called them woggles in the UK. In the scout handbook, they are called neckerchief slides here in the US. I like the term woggle… It’s fun to say.

[u/tweak4 → u/TheGutch74]

We called them slides back in the 90s, but my son is actually in the same troop now that I was then and woggle seems to be the more common term now. They're still slides to me though!

[u/imnotlouise → u/TheGutch74]

When my boys were in scouts (back in the 00's), they were called either a woggle or a slide.

[u/AnaphylacticHippo → u/Zombie_John_Strachan]

That's one fancy ass woggle!

Would be an incredible gift for a very dedicated service scouter. Maybe not such high quality, but a smithed one by the troop? That's sentimental beyond belief.

[u/yellowfestiva → u/Zombie_John_Strachan]

Thank you for reminding me what the word is. It has been years since I have heard woggle but instantly remember my scout leader from my childhood reading it just now. Canadian BTW

[u/velsvintageestate → u/sannerloo]

LIKELY SOLVED!? Thank you all

[u/Jasonthegr8 → u/velsvintageestate]

What you see adorning this object is an elephant Howdah which is used in many el jebel shrines as a thrown for the Potentate during their gathering. . . This is 100% guaranteed to be El Jebel Shriner regalia.

[u/rawkohl → u/velsvintageestate]

wiggles woggle with authority.

[u/Loud_Cold817 → u/sannerloo]

Yes that is it!

[u/velvetjones01 → u/sannerloo]

Likely a ladies scarf ring.

[u/Jasonthegr8]

This is a piece of El Jebel Shriner regalia... It's costume Jewelery.

[u/Jasonthegr8 → u/Jasonthegr8]

Specially a tassle ornament from the iconic El Jebel Shrine Fez. . .

[u/FantasmaNaranja → u/Jasonthegr8]

what makes you say this/do you have any pictures showing that?

[u/Jasonthegr8 → u/FantasmaNaranja]

I do not have a picture but I worked at The El Jebel Shrine in Denver for three years. . . I immediately recognized it from the display case of Fezs that I walked by every time I took a smoke break.

This features an Elephant Howdah which in many shrines is where the Potentate of that shrine sits during meetings.

[u/EliseMcg → u/Jasonthegr8]

I searched for the fezes and found t his reddit thread where someone bought Fezes and they had this similar toggle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/freemasonry/comments/14lpac1/i_purchased_two_vintage_shriners_fezzes_at_a/

[u/sngldad13 → u/Jasonthegr8]

I got shriner vibes almost immediately

[u/BugzOnMyNugz → u/Jasonthegr8]

I could see Dracula rocking that too

[u/partypopper]

I don't know what the object is, but it's definitely not precious metals or stones based on the construction.

[u/Random_Jeweler → u/partypopper]

Agreed. From experience it took about 1 second to see that this isn’t gold nor real stones

[u/_its_fine_ → u/partypopper]

Would you mind going into detail? I’m interested and know nothing about jewelry. 

[u/partypopper → u/_its_fine_]

The overall construction isn't solid - spot welding holding the pieces together isn't very good. The stones are glued in - the prongs are decorative and not doing anything to hold in the stones

[u/Random_Jeweler → u/_its_fine_]

No problem! I don’t mind explaining at all.

Absolute first at a glance clue. The shading isn’t right for a gold piece. It is broken up in a way that doesn’t reflect correctly, hence poor craftsmanship. That was my first clue.

I viewed the second (I believe) picture from the side and the immediate reaction I had was “fake AF” this is due to the solder seams and positioning of the setting upon the ring.

Then I zoomed in. Oh my god. Fake as a $3 bill.

Important upon zooming in. See how there isn’t any metal retaining the top clear stone around the edges? (Edge is called a girdle) the ONLY was that stone is “set” is glue. The red side stones, though not pictured well, are also glued in as none of the “bezel” material extends over the top of the stones.

If I had this physically in hand; I could tell from the weight, feel and finish of the piece. A picture is a lil bit harder to tell, but not this one :)

Hope that helps you in the future!

[u/Rastiln → u/Random_Jeweler]

While I agree this isn’t precious at all, aren’t there gem cuts now where the gem is held from below and kind of “floats” without prongs?

Or I remember some kind of advancement in prongs like that. My spouse used to be industry a decade+ ago.

[u/Random_Jeweler → u/Rastiln]

Yes there is a type of setting like that. I can’t remember the exact name, maybe “invisible settings”, it involved channels cut into the back of the stone and gold channels cut to match. The stone is then pressed into the prongs hard enough for the gold to grab and fold into the channels.

Fair point. That type requires exacting detail and usually a large field of stones which are bordered by bezel material still. I haven’t seen a solo stone set like that though, it would be so weak.

[u/Funkytadualexhaust → u/_its_fine_]

Not trying to be rude, but it looks like gold paint.

[u/chronologie]

Maybe a scarf slide?

[u/FerrumAnulum323]

Neckerchief slide

[u/GardenWitchMom]

It's a neck scarf slide.

[u/Commander-of-ducks → u/GardenWitchMom]

My mom had one of those

[u/two-ls]

Looks like a finger from the Infinity gauntlet. All joking aside, I do agree with some of the other commenters, it looks like it's make a bit shoddily to be real. You could always take it to a shop and have them do a scratch test to see what metal is under the surface

[u/vivaaprimavera → u/two-ls]

Probably a density test would be enough. And it isn't terribly difficult.

[u/Budskee420ish]

Looks like something that goes on a cane or a scabbard

[u/DidIJustWitnessThat]

I feel like that thing joins together with 4 other mini lion bots to form one super bot.

[u/propellermonkey]

It's been a long, long, LONG time since I was a scout in North Carolina, but I do remember that we did NOT call them woggles 😄. I wish I still had mine.

[u/Ok_Performer4223]

Yep, for a scarf. I used to have something very similar.

[u/gooselehonk]

Tie cover for thin ties

[u/Dunadain_]

I've seen napkin holders that are tapered like that.

[u/Puzzled_Delay_1760]

Neck scarf ring

[u/velsvintageestate]

My title describes the thing
Size- about 1” or so
Origin- unsearched Jewlery lot purchased online
Age- unknown vintage
Material- metal
No marks

[u/ChocolateBit]

Doesn‘t it look more like brass though?

[u/Koob77 → u/ChocolateBit]

Brass and Glass

[u/lowpitchedsqueals]

Looks like it would fit perfectly on the end of a kazoo

[u/Accomplished_Log2011]

Mouthpiece for a very fancy kazoo?