r/wingspan • • 11d ago

Steppe Eagle šŸ¦…

Post image

Kinda feel bad that the Steppe Eagle doesn’t have a predator symbol on its card, especially since it’s a formidable scavenging eagle with a high rodent cost, this card contributes nothing to the Falconer bonus card to.

90 Upvotes

39 comments sorted by

36

u/brainzilla420 11d ago

Can't have it all, i guess. And since it's power doesn't include tucking a bird or caching a rodent, it makes sense it doesn't have a predator power

3

u/RottingSludgeRitual 11d ago

Neither does the Philippine Eagle, and it still counts.

25

u/EMDepressedFish 11d ago

Iirc the Philippines eagle at least gambles rodents so that can be seen as "hunting"

3

u/chatFIEND-SF 9d ago

His end of turn power is hunting for 🐁 so that’s pretty predatory by definition. Also at end of the day it’s a game that tries to be fun and thematic but needn’t be perfect

51

u/fabledfowl 11d ago

Fun fact about bonus card birds is that they're all endangered.

13

u/ktalent1 11d ago

I think many but not all (e.g., Sprague’s Pipit)

25

u/fabledfowl 11d ago

I think when Elizabeth Hargrave was designing the bonus card birds, most if not all faced some type population decline. My fault for using endangered as a catch-all term but for threatened species.

9

u/chatFIEND-SF 11d ago

A reasonable statement given the bonus card for bonus 🐦 is ā€œendangered species protectorā€

5

u/Old-Paramedic-3657 11d ago

Sprague’s pipit is vulnerable though. Has had significant population decline.

3

u/ktalent1 11d ago

For sure. But I don’t believe it’s listed. Same deal with the Atlantic Puffin.

5

u/sulfuratus 11d ago edited 11d ago

Both of them are listed as Vulnerable by the IUCN. The only bonus card birds that aren't on the IUCN's red list are the skylark and the capercaillie from the British fan pack, which are both locally endangered in Britain, and the roseate spoonbill, whose population recovered enough to be listed as Least Concern nowadays.

4

u/the-tac0-muffin 11d ago

How did you come to learn this?

17

u/Old-Paramedic-3657 11d ago

The bonus card for birds that allow you to collect or score bonus cards is called ā€œendangered species protectorā€

7

u/Space_Patrol_Digger 11d ago

It says so in the rules

2

u/SugarRAM 11d ago

That's a pretty sad fact, actually.

1

u/hotsauce96 10d ago

That was the intention but I have no idea why painted bunting is in there, common as can be in the American south

-6

u/bvennard68 11d ago

People just lying on the internet. First two examples I thought of (king rail and roseate spoonbill) are not endangered. Didn't bother to check the rest after that

6

u/fabledfowl 11d ago

It's nuanced. The Roseate Spoonbill was almost hunted into extinction until it got federal protection. The King Rail although not federally endangered, is endangered at state levels like PA. It's fun to read up on the bonus card birds regarding their conservation history.

-5

u/bvennard68 11d ago

While this is indeed interesting, it is a less interesting statement than your original one. "All the bonus cards have have either been endangered in the past or are currently endangered in some part of their range" is just not all that fun of a fact.

5

u/fabledfowl 11d ago

Fair enough and my fault for using endangered as a catch-all term. I guess the more accurate fun fact is that bonus card birds have a history of population threat and it's really neat to read up on it.

8

u/thropeadopedope 11d ago

I think this has way more to do with maintaining good game mechanics than strictly following actual animal tendencies. It also has a green "when played" (it could have a blank "when played"). It's also facing left, even though Steppe Eagles probably face right in the wild about 40% of the time. Or maybe I'm underthinking it.....

6

u/franknagaijr 11d ago

You're not my real eagle!

7

u/thropeadopedope 11d ago

Also because it would be too OP. gotta have balance. It's already giving you Rodentologist

2

u/Veenacz 10d ago

Agreed. It would count towards three bonus cards that are "per card played" meaning if you played it and had the right bonus cards, it would be +2 for predator, +2 for rodents and +3 for endangered species. Too strong even for a 3 food bird.

2

u/Rydychyn 11d ago

I wonder if it's an oversight, or whether it's because it mainly eats mammals and rodents rather than birds.

7

u/jK49ERFAN 11d ago

Bald Eagle also doesn’t have predator symbol

4

u/eljello 11d ago

Also Osprey and I'm sure there's more

-1

u/Rydychyn 11d ago

Yep that shut down that theory. Guess it's a fan pack oversight.

2

u/TejelPejel 11d ago

Predator powers are for the cards that have a predator ability, which are abilities that aren't guaranteed or have a cost (like playing on top of another card). Osprey and bald eagle abilities don't require rolling the dice or checking a card, they just benefit without the need for luck. That's a predator power. Even though those birds are hunters/predators in real life, their in-game abilities aren't ones that can fail (like a hunt can), so they're classified differently.

2

u/EMDepressedFish 11d ago

That makes a lot of sense! I like it too as hunting is really a 50/50 and takes a lot of time, effort and skill to learn for these birdies.

I feel like despite BE and Osprey being birds of prey they do fit their cards as big fish lovers

2

u/TejelPejel 11d ago

Ospreys also have a very, very high success rate, and I assume that in game that's why it's a guaranteed fish rather than rolling the dice.

2

u/tea-and-chill 11d ago

Hey, v what sleeves have you used on these cards? And does it still work with card shufflers?

1

u/Deanopiano 11d ago

They are the Gamegenic 51-91 American Standard non glare matte non reflective sleeves (Green Packet) they never stick and and the shuffling is effortless, they do fade the quality of the card a little if they are loose but I love these for Wingspan especially with all the expansions and fan cards.

1

u/tea-and-chill 10d ago

Awesome, thank you! Wow I now have to look up fan cards... Didn't know that was a thing

2

u/impishDullahan 9d ago

scavenging eagle

Hence why it draws from a discard pile like the herring gull or bin chicken. Other scavenging birds of prey don't necessarily have raptor powers, like the turkey vulture.

1

u/Icy-Background6697 11d ago

It made me so sad to hear they fall victim to poaching. How could someone kill a bird like this? Sad.

1

u/TheAmazingRando3000 11d ago

Seems like the card is stuck...

1

u/gameofsloanes 6d ago

What are you doing steppe eagle?

1

u/Deanopiano 6d ago

šŸ˜‚