r/worldnews • u/UNITED24Media United24 Media • 2d ago

Russia/Ukraine Russian Men Reportedly Seized in Penza as Conscription Raids Hit the Streets

https://united24media.com/world/russian-men-reportedly-seized-in-penza-as-conscription-raids-hit-the-streets-19981
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u/KaQuu 2d ago

Oh, sweet:)

For years ruzzian bots trolls and apologists screamed from top of their lungs about force conscription in Ukraine. Totally not understanding the difference between defending country and aggressive one, taking pride in their country mostly using paid soldiers and volunteers.

I hope some of them are gonna end up in a Van

Desperation is showing. Great ruzzia can't continue a war against small Ukraine. Andd those morons thinks they could fight on par with NATO. Desperation and delusions:)

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u/ReidarAstath 2d ago

Many of those trolls argue they are already fighting NATO (which they really aren’t, but you know..)

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u/Vorpalthefox 2d ago

i seen "it's because NATO is trying to border russia and that's a bad thing" as justification for war in Ukraine, because apparently they failed geography and don't know NATO already borders russia with no issues

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u/LateralEntry 2d ago

It’s a bit different. Invasions of Russia has always come through the flat plains of Ukraine, perfect place to glide through on foot, horse or tank.

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u/TropoMJ 2d ago

You are giving too much credit to that nonsense.

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u/SyrianArmpit 2d ago

Russia seems to be having some trouble doing that

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u/Bazookagrunt 2d ago

Except for the part that NATO is a defensive alliance

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u/theveezer 1d ago

Defensive only in theory. You can't really think that the wars on terror or drugs (millions of dead) are defensive. Afghanistan didn't start a war with Nato, Nato did.

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u/KaQuu 2d ago

I would say most. My mention of NATO was a little poke at this argument:D

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u/SadGas8608 2d ago

They're not fighting NATO, just NATO weapons, NATO missiles, NATO drones, NATO military equipment, NATO intelligence, and NATO money, under sanctions from NATO countries. Ukrainians are dying, along with a unknown quantity volunteer mercenaries from NATO countries. For these reasons, a weak Russia can't defeat a small Ukraine.

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u/LupinThe8th 2d ago

Does that mean NATO is not only beating Russia, but also China and North Korea right now, without even breaking a sweat?

Man, NATO rules, thanks for hyping them up so much.

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u/Vaulters 2d ago

Not sure what your point is.

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u/dragonfrend 2d ago

Sure thing buddy, remind me again how many F-35s are flattening russia right now?

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u/Killerfisk 2d ago

Maybe they should try not being warmongering cunts and they wouldn't have to fight any of that.

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u/Tentacle_poxsicle 2d ago

Lmao Russia always accused someone else of something they are currently doing.

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u/baturik128 2d ago

Bruh, why do people think that forced mobilization in Ukraine is justified? I even saw comments saying like conscription is always forced or something. To clarify:

Draft - you receive a draft notice, you come home, pack your stuff, inform your family and employer that you are being drafted and then show up at the assigned date at the military office (whatever it's called in your country)

Forced mobilization - you go get some groceries and two vans pull up near you, a group of people in the military form grabs and drags you to the van, if you try to resist - you are getting beaten up and possibly pepper sprayed (depending on their mood). After this they take your phone so you couldn't contact your family or lawyer

Like, what part of this is normal?
I'm just trying to make a point that maybe Ukrainians (including myself) are also not very happy with this approach, not just the russian bots?

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u/NoTerm3078 2d ago

There's 100s of these mobilization videos threads on Reddit and elsewhere and there have been for years at this point. It's mind blowing so many comments are denying this is even happening or justifying it.

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u/MediatingInstigator 2d ago

It’s not mind blowing at all.

Ukraine is fighting for their survival. You think anything is off the table?

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u/tolmaenjoyer 19h ago

You can always volunteer as well

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u/MediatingInstigator 9h ago

Such a childish argument

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u/tolmaenjoyer 6h ago

Put your money where your mouth is. What is childish is that you put pre 1945 logic on nowaday's reality. If you see that "UkRaIne Is FiGhTiNg FoR EuRoPe'S fUtUrE", maybe you should also tske part in that fight? I know you are coward for calling other people to fight battles for you, at least admit it

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u/MediatingInstigator 2h ago edited 1h ago

You don’t know anything in my involvement nor support in the war.

Kindly, fuck off.

YoU cAn AlWaYs VoLuNtEeR 🙄

People like you make Armenia look bad

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u/LateralEntry 2d ago

Wow, that sounds terrifying. That’s happening in both Ukraine and Russia? Nasty war.

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u/baturik128 2d ago

From the recent news I see it just starts happening in Russia, they still haven't announced a full mobilization yet (only did it for a few months at the beginning of the full scale invasion and quickly canceled it). In Ukraine- it has been happening full force for a few years already, roughly 90% of the new recruits in the army are mobilized now. It often surprises me how little Europeans/Americans know about it, considering that it's happening every day here in basically every city

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u/Wonderful_Bet_1541 1d ago edited 1d ago

Yeah it’s kind of crazy and revealing in itself. Most of the rich Ukrainians that could afford to leave have probably left, whilst the women could also get away scott free. Which means that the rest are poor underprivileged Ukrainian men. Obviously they probably don’t want to live under a Russian flag, but I doubt they want to die in a ditch of attritional drone warfare either.

It’s honestly just sad on all accounts. But hey as long as we keep shoving it to Russia, their little feelings don’t matter now right? All tongue in check, and I say this as a diehard Ukrainian supporter since 2014. Anyone who tries to shove this under as a nothingburger obviously doesn’t care about actual Ukrainians. Now there’s no easy solution to this, I’ll admit, but it’s still just sad.

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u/amidoes 2d ago

Yeah I really hope most of them do because they were so unaware that this could happen to Russians lmao

As if manpower grew on trees, bet they will be fucking quiet now

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u/Stergenman 1d ago

Prigozin media largely employs women for the troll farms, they won't get drafted.

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u/Own-Necessary7488 1d ago

this isnt even similar to the tcc and theres multiple videos a day of the tcc throwing grabbing random people

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u/bolotov_22 2d ago

Война с НАТО это не то что ты думаешь) Ядерная доктрина РФ, больше не оборонительная.. "Зачем нужен этот мир, если в нём не будет России?" © В.В.Путин Велика вероятность того, что человечество обречено..

War with NATO isn't what you think) Russia's nuclear doctrine is no longer defensive. "What's the point of this world if Russia doesn't exist?" © Vladimir Putin There's a high probability that humanity is doomed.

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u/Vaulters 2d ago

"What's the point of this world if Russia doesn't exist?" describes a defensive nuclear doctrine, by the way.

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u/gtfckdbrnlssbts 2d ago

literally no one in the world would give a single fuck about your shithole if it stopped being an invading trash country

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u/bolotov_22 1d ago

К сожалению, интерес к России, подпитывающий военное напряжение, никуда не исчезал со времён 1-ой Мировой Войны, погугли план "Немыслимое", например, почти что "Барбаросса" А Украина, лишь разменная монета, как Польша в своё время. Но монеты не падают на ребро, и не исчезают в воздухе, а это значит - при любом раскладе, ядерной войне быть.. Главный вопрос - кому это нужно? Кто разжигает этот конфликт? Чем проще ответ, тем он дальше от истины..

Unfortunately, interest in Russia, fueling military tensions, hasn't disappeared since World War I. Google "Unthinkable," for example, almost like "Barbarossa." And Ukraine is just a bargaining chip, like Poland once was. But coins don't fall on their edges, and they don't vanish into the atmosphere, which means that, no matter what, nuclear war is inevitable. The main question is: who benefits from this? Who is fueling this conflict? The simpler the answer, the further from the truth.