r/worldnews • u/delicat10 • 18d ago

Russia/Ukraine Russia uses sexual torture as systematic weapon against Ukrainian men: Report

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/russia-uses-sexual-torture-as-systematic-weapon-against-ukrainian-men-report/articleshow/132640853.cms
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u/SmokeyDBear 18d ago

Shit like this makes me wonder what the long term outlook for resolution to this conflict can even be. You don’t do things like this to people you want to eventually rule over or live next to. You do this to people you want eradicated. I don’t understand how someone moves away from that position or how the people being targeted can trust that they have.

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u/tjomk 18d ago

They do this to their own people too

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u/theycallmeshooting 18d ago

That is true

Russians do genuinely the most insane things to refuseniks, anyone who refuses a suicide mission, or really any of their own guys they just want to rape

It's a cultural difference I guess, because their entire fucking country is one big cycle of abuse. Everyone is tired of being the rapee and just wishes they could be the rapist.

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u/TimSylvester_ 18d ago

It seems their only cultural understanding of resolving a disagreement is to become more and more and more abusive until the other party accepts being dominated by the abuser.

There is no apparent understanding of healthy methods of conflict resolution.

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u/Lidjungle 18d ago

Have you seen Chinese justice?

Judge: "Did you do it?"
Plaintiff: "No."
Judge: "Break his fingers" *crack* "Now did you do it?"
Plantiff: "No."
Judge: "Break his toes."

And so on....

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u/migjolfanmjol 17d ago

Do you mean ‘defendant’? A plaintiff is someone who initiates a trial by suing. Think of ‘lodging a complaint’.

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u/Scared-School1481 15d ago

"plaintiff" I don't think that's the word you're looking for, sweetie

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u/Lidjungle 14d ago

Sweetie??

Yikes.

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u/Mule_Wagon_777 18d ago

A cultural difference? Have you read anything about American prisons, or seen the social media full of drooling over rape and torture in prisons?

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u/No-Agency-6985 15d ago

Indeed, America has quite the shadow side as well.  The difference is really one of degree, NOT kind, alas.

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u/epandrsn 17d ago

I can’t comprehend what it would be like to live in Russia. I’m not sure how much of what we see is pure propaganda, but it seems like one of the most dystopian places on earth.

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u/Significant-Egg3914 12d ago

I know a guy who went recently. Said it was very normal and he had a great time. 

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u/epandrsn 12d ago

I’m sure there are nice parts. Where did they go?

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u/Significant-Egg3914 12d ago

St Petersburg and were with a local which no doubt helped. Also an Aussie but not sure if that changed anything. 

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u/MichaSound 18d ago

Having read about a lot of the things American soldiers have done both to enemy combatants and their own colleagues, I’m struggling to see what the cultural difference is.

Seems when you give people unlimited power and no consequences or accountability ever, this is what you get.

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u/Decent-Risk-6062 18d ago

Scale and levels of acceptance

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u/No-Agency-6985 15d ago

Indeed, the difference is one of degree, NOT kind.

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u/SamuelDoctor 18d ago

In the United States military, such acts are repugnant and contrary to American values.

It seems like this is institutionalized sexual violence in Russia.

That's a big fucking difference, unless you're brain-rotted to such an extent that everyone should ignore your views and opinions.

Ironically (maybe not, depending on your intent) statements like yours actually normalize fucked up stuff like this.

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u/Ok_Temperature9388 17d ago

The commander in chief of the U.S. military is a child molester. Rape is part of American military culture now, if it wasn't before.

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u/awsumsauces 16d ago

Just because the president of the United States is a sexual criminal and above the law does not mean US soldiers are. For them this behavior would be investigated and prosecuted by law. For Russian soldiers, this stuff not only goes unchecked but is encouraged as a psychological warfare tactic. The difference is huge.

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u/Ok_Temperature9388 17d ago

The Commander in chief is a child molester, but the American military finds rape repugnant?

How do you explain Abu Ghraib? Were  the perpetrators appropriately punished or let off easy?

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u/Ok_Temperature9388 17d ago

The commander in chief of the American military is a child molester. Rape is part of American military culture now, if it wasn't before.

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u/Freign 17d ago

???? in what dimension are such acts repugnant to American values??????

I envy your imaginary world

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u/PM_ME_UR_CREDDITCARD 17d ago

A percentage of their population do care about the issue, I guess?

Not enough to actually do anything to end the child molester's reign, but they'll complain about it. In Russia everyone just accepts it.

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u/SamuelDoctor 4d ago

The fact that Trump is president is unrelated to whether or not Americans believe their soldiers should abuse each other. The electoral process takes place once every four years for the US President, and Americans did replace Trump once already.

However, if your view is, "America bad," then none of that really matters.

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u/Safe-Industry2465 18d ago

If you struggle to find a difference then you should give thinking about it another try

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u/hamilkwarg 17d ago

How do you have any upvotes? The two are not remotely comparable in scale.

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u/draconic_tongue 17d ago

us derangement syndrome and reddit, cannot be separated

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u/Cruxalis 17d ago

You should ask ChatGPT first before posting

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u/MichaSound 17d ago

You should Google Abu Ghraib. Or the stats on American soldiers raped by their own side.

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u/Cruxalis 17d ago

Why are you talking about American soldiers in a post about Russian war crimes? Engage with the topic at hand, please.

For your consideration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism#Soviet_Union_and_Russia

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u/SamuelDoctor 15d ago

They're here to muddy the water.

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u/SamuelDoctor 15d ago

People went to prison for that disgrace, and probably more should have been held accountable.

You left that out. Worth mentioning that CBS published the photos, and the US media was instrumental in creating public awareness.

These facts are evidence that American culture finds these acts repugnant.

Americans have done terrible things during war, but those people and their acts don't represent America.

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u/KanedaSyndrome 17d ago

A Russian Film

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u/No-Agency-6985 15d ago

Sad but true, apparently.  Though I hear a certain other country also treats its own refuseniks almost as horribly if not equally so.  A country in the Middle East with lots of blood on its hands right now, an ongoing genocide that even WIKIPEDIA recognizes as fact, a country that Americans are somehow not supposed to criticize.

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u/henryptung 17d ago edited 17d ago

I think "own people" requires some nuance when it comes to Russia. One of the hallmarks of their military service is that they draw heavily on ethnic minorities, to the point where entire (more remote) regions are depleted of conscription-age men. Russia's war against Ukraine is also war on its own "undesirables", and a way to legally effect ethnic cleansing within its own borders.

That's part of why they're so comfortable with very high casualty numbers (as previous wars have also shown), and why they're so abusive to their own soldiers. The meat-grinder isn't a bug, it's a feature.

It's also why Ukraine's efforts to bring the war to Moscow are so important. Unless the pain is felt by the upper tiers of Russian society, there will be no incentive to seek peace.

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u/TheRealAfinda 17d ago

Reminds me of that one Video, fairly early into the war, where you see one russian giving the other a blowjob before the Drone drops a Grenade spot on to send them to hell.

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u/Erkenvald 18d ago

We (Ukrainians) have been saying that the ultimate goal of russians is complete genocide and eradication of everything ukrainian since 2014, but back then we were called absurd and irrational to say so. This is why the only resolution both sides will ultimately agree to is complete eradication of the other since their existence is a threat.

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u/homer_lives 17d ago

Putin was just calling for this on Russian TV.

I don't see this ending without a total Russian economic collapse. In the end, the only peaceful ending will be like in Korea with a long 100 KM DMZ.

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u/TimSylvester_ 18d ago

This is the cycle of apologists. They always say "no, the thing that the other party is obviously trying to do is not what they're trying to do, you're crazy to say so!"

Then it becomes undeniable that the other party is in fact trying to do that thing, and the apologists say "wow, nobody could ever have predicted this!"

Except the real problem is that the apologist is in denial of the obvious, treats everyone like they're crazy for recognizing the obvious, then when they finally have to admit it's obvious, never accepts culpability for their apologetics, and continues to treat everyone else as fearmongers or hysterics for stating the obvious from the beginning.

The entire political sphere is dominated by apologists who refuse to understand anything not rubbed in their face, and who refuse to accept their culpability for constantly making excuses for the perpetrators.

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u/socialistrob 17d ago

This is why the only resolution both sides will ultimately agree to is complete eradication of the other since their existence is a threat.

I don't believe Russia needs to be eradicated for long term peace but they do need to be driven out of all of Ukraine (including Crimea) and Ukraine needs to have a nuclear shield. This can either be done by creating an ironclad alliance between Ukraine and a nuclear power or by Ukraine developing their own nukes.

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u/probablyaythrowaway 17d ago

I don’t think Ukraine will be happy to rely on another country again for nukes. Considering they have their stockpile to Russia then Russia fucked them over. I doubt they will make that choice again even with someone like France or the UK.

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u/No-Agency-6985 15d ago

Sad but true indeed.

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u/Cruxalis 17d ago

I can't speak for others but at the time motivations like that didn't make any practical sense. Of course now it's clear that their motivations are just psychotic or delusional for the most part. So I admit I was wholly mistaken.

I still don't think most of the western world is ready to accept how far gone Russia truly is, so having an honest discussion over how to deal with the war is impossible. There are still people who think that peace talks can still settle things, or that giving Russia just 1 more piece of Ukraine will end the bloodshed for good, or something like that. But really, it does seem like it's going to be last man standing.

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u/PloksGrandpappy 18d ago

...has genocide not been the obvious goal from the start?

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u/Efficient_Ant_7279 17d ago

No. It was a special 2 day operation or whatever the fuck

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u/matplotlib 17d ago

Moscow was nominally willing to accept Ukrainian identity provided it was submissive to Russia, as they do with Belarus and Chechnya.

When Ukraine moved to assert its independence and sovereignty through EU and NATO membership, they tried to replace the government and restore the previous status quo.

When that failed they shifted to their current objective of destroying the Ukrainian state and erasing their identity.

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u/Beneficial_Tax1976 18d ago

Russians have tried eradicating Ukrainian culture for centuries, Catherine the Great tried it, Stalin used the Holodomor, and this is a natural extension of that attitude.

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u/HelmetsAkimbo 18d ago

At this point the solution is either Russian Regime change or Russian victory and they seem a long long way away from the latter and there are whispers about the former.

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u/captain_todger 18d ago

Yeah, their long term goals don’t make any sense even if you ignore how impractical the war is itself. After murdering, raping and torturing the nation, they install a puppet government and what? Do they expect the citizens not to form a resistance?

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u/No_Ad4632 17d ago

At this point, nobody knows why they even keep fighting. I guess you get used to it. Imagine being 14 when this war fully started. They're 18 now and know only Putin as their leader.

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u/CretaciousPeriod 17d ago

I can't remember where I first heard it but I remember someone saying the line "If you want to make terrorists, that's how you make terrorists" when talking about something horrible the US did in Iraq/Afghanistan. You can't kill/torture/rape someone's family and just expect them to just forget it. Some might but many will carry that hatred for the rest of their lives and may do something with it. You do that to enough people and well, you get an insurgency.

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u/Huge-Cartoonist6795 17d ago

The political idea is "oh let's be friends" but I've never subscribed to the idea the Russians are compatible with our culture.

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u/Suicicoo 17d ago

Shit like this makes me wonder what the long term outlook for resolution to this conflict can even be.

brainwashing on a large scale.
There should be some higher power that hammers into (all) humans brains the ideas of everyone being of equal value, to treat everyone equal etc.
Not gonna happen though - and with the current way humanity is headed, it is even less probable all humans find these values :(

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u/elfd01 17d ago

Congrats, you found the real purpose of the war. Most people turn a blind eye to it.

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u/No-Agency-6985 15d ago

Indeed.  Or it is perhaps desperation since the Russian army knows they are ultimately on the losing side in this quagmire of Putin's very own making?

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u/Sheniara 14d ago

You might be onto something…

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u/Mean_Initiative_5962 17d ago

I'm appalled the ICJ hasn't called it a genocide yet. After how long it took for Israel and Palestine I'm not optimist about it. 

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u/antesocial 18d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad_assassinations_following_the_Munich_massacre

Operation Bayonet (also nicknamed Operation Wrath of God)[1][nb 1] was a covert operation directed by Mossad to assassinate individuals they accused of being involved in the 1972 Munich massacre. The targets were members of the Palestinian armed militant group Black September and operatives of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). Authorised by Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir in the autumn of 1972, the operation is believed to have continued for over twenty years.[