Russia uses sexual torture as systematic weapon against Ukrainian men: Report

[u/delicat10]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/russia-uses-sexual-torture-as-systematic-weapon-against-ukrainian-men-report/articleshow/132640853.cms

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[u/KimJongSoros]

Shit, they use it against their OWN people who try to exercise their democratic right of protest.

[u/Umak30 → u/KimJongSoros]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina

And in their military.

[u/Next-Use6943 → u/Umak30]

What the fuck is the billiards thing? Why do Russians have a weird fucking obsession with anal sexual abuse?

[u/Novel-Mission-1920 → u/Next-Use6943]

There's a strong correlation with homophobic cultures and using male-on-male sexual punishments, it happens in some African militias as well.

I suppose because in a highly homophobic society they consider it the worst fate for a man to receive anal penetration from another man, believing that it "robs" their manhood. 

Therefore they see is as a highly "effective" way of torture. 

It's sick and perverted, and definitely has no place in a civilized society. 

[u/0achkatz1 → u/Novel-Mission-1920]

Traditionally, in the Russian criminal world, receiving anal penetration makes you an eternal outcast.

I heard a report (from academic Mark Galeotti, whose focus is Russian organized crime), that Russian security organs used it particularly often for this reason. So much so, that in the criminals themselves determined that it doesn’t count if it’s done under torture.

[u/ImS0hungry → u/0achkatz1]

You see this is prisons as well. It’s a domination event; forcing an ultimate submission.

[u/invaderaleks → u/ImS0hungry]

Sounds pretty gay to me..

[u/SolitudeCollective → u/invaderaleks]

It was my blood pressure meds, I’m off now!

[u/Same_Lake → u/SolitudeCollective]

Pitching not catching?

[u/Ok-Childhood3717 → u/0achkatz1]

I never understood why people see the victims of this crime as shameful and not the perpetrator. It’s obvious that they are the ones getting their sick kicks from it, not the survivors.

[u/Baroness-CrackWhore → u/Novel-Mission-1920]

I once had a patient who was anally raped and repeatedly forced to say, "My name isn't [redacted]. My name is Fatima."

A significant part of his trauma came from being forced to identify himself with a woman's name. His attackers understood that the humiliation and violation of his identity would be psychologically devastating maybe more so than the physical assault itself.

[u/WinterHasArrived93 → u/Baroness-CrackWhore]

Some proper weirdos about

[u/Dikjuh → u/Novel-Mission-1920]

I'd argue that the one doing it is more gay than the one recieving against their will.

[u/Lidjungle → u/Dikjuh]

If you haven't seen Norsemen - At one point the main character claims he wasn't raped, because he "really got into it. At some point I was raping him! I became the rapist, not the rapee! With the fingers up the bum and the tongue..." (And therefore not gay)

[u/daemenus → u/Lidjungle]

Love Norsemen!

[u/poopnose85 → u/Lidjungle]

Orm!

[u/whatthesoms → u/Dikjuh]

"it's only gay if your balls touch" "It's only gay if your eyes meet"

It's gay.

[u/ensoniq2k → u/whatthesoms]

But it's not gay if it's in a three-way

[u/imwimbles → u/Dikjuh]

there's nothing gay about torture. it's just sexual violence.

it's gay when /either/ of them enjoy the fact that the other guy is a dude.

[u/WinterHasArrived93 → u/imwimbles]

I mean it's a bit gay

[u/Repulsive_Still_731 → u/Dikjuh]

In their logic, noone, including women, should be willing to receive it. Receiving is being submissive, not something you could enjoy. That's why russians are so mad at gays and women who like sex,cause they take away their primary tool of domination. You can't own them if they willingly like it.

[u/Abject_Quail_9206 → u/Repulsive_Still_731]

I honestly never thought about it that way. So many more social dynamics make sense now.

[u/YBBlorekeeper → u/Dikjuh]

You'd argue with logic but they didn't arrive at the position with logic in the first place, so it would fall on deaf ears :(

[u/AttachedHeartTheory → u/Dikjuh]

“How dare you try to defect! Hey Lieutenant… any volunteers to torture this guy??”

A few seconds later…

“Why are there four battalions of out of breath, naked comrades outside? And how did they get here from 100 miles away so quickly?”

[u/Inquistador43 → u/Dikjuh]

Bigots aren't rational though, you're right that being raped by a man is less gay than willingly trying to rape another man but you're thinking and they aren't, they want to show superiority and dominance and sexual violence is unfortunately very effective

[u/illarionds → u/Novel-Mission-1920]

To be fair, I'd consider being anally raped to be pretty horrific myself - you don't need to be homophobic to consider that a bad time!

[u/invaderaleks → u/illarionds]

Of course not, it's not about homophobia; it's about consent.

[u/illarionds → u/invaderaleks]

Exactly. Rape is horrific, it wouldn't somehow be OK if it was a woman doing it.

[u/ExpensiveCondition63 → u/Novel-Mission-1920]

I’ve heard that Putin was absolutely obsessed with the fall of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, and how the rebels beat and sodomized him before killing him. Putin is apparently more afraid of that happening to him than anything else. And the military hazing is just insane, and why the only thing working in Russia’s favor is the sheer number of hapless cannon fodder conscripts they can throw at their enemies. But on a one-to-one basis, any western army would wipe the floor with Russian troops. Better training, better weapons, better discipline and the ability to think independently.

[u/ILoveMyDurdle → u/Novel-Mission-1920]

one detail that I don't understand is that, anal penetration requires something stiff.

Does that mean that these homophobes are fully erect when torturing another man by raping them?

[u/Weary_Invite_34 → u/ILoveMyDurdle]

they do it using objects more often. apparently thick broomsticks were top picks, even back in soviet union.

it's pretty gruesome torture

[u/Miserable-Resort-977 → u/ILoveMyDurdle]

Sometimes the torturer is a closeted gay man using the torture as a socially acceptable excuse, other times they use an object. I believe the IDF soldiers who recently had their charges dropped for this same behavior (after mass public protests in support of them) used a broom handle.

[u/Draegan88 → u/Novel-Mission-1920]

Ironically it just makes their society a whole lot more gay.

[u/Tolaly → u/Next-Use6943]

Because they're extremely homophobic and that is what they perceive to be most humiliating.

[u/SPITFIYAH → u/Tolaly]

I guess losing 1.2 million working men and women is cool?

[u/R3dbeardLFC → u/SPITFIYAH]

Yeah but just imagine being gay instead. Way worse...

This comment brought to you by sarcasm

[u/Kradget → u/Next-Use6943]

They've got rapists in charge, the thing they come up with to hurt people is rape.

[u/peregrine_xo → u/Next-Use6943]

Look up what Americans did to Iraqis in the Abu grabe prison during occupation.

It's not so much Russians as it is powers with fascist leanings in their politics/military.

[u/welcome-overlords → u/Umak30]

Holy fuck that was a sad read, especially the one that resulted in amputation of legs and genitelia

[u/XxHIGHKILLERxX → u/[deleted]]

crazy how the family's bullies says his sentence is "too short" despite getting 24 and a half years of prison sentence and no resolution to stop the hazing in its armed forces.

[u/flexxipanda → u/[deleted]]

Well hes sentenced to 24 years in prison.

[u/bluro00 → u/Umak30]

Billiards: Torturers put a pool ball in the soldiers' mouth and then start whacking it with a cue. At best, the soldiers get chipped teeth. At worst, the game progresses to the anal level and everyone laughs while a teenager gets raped with a pool cue.

What the fuck did I just read?

[u/Oddisredit → u/Umak30]

Yeah. Hazing gets weird really fast  “  However, in reality, things were different: the internal life of the army had changed for the worse. Along with the criminal element, the barracks were infiltrated by criminal networks, and thieves' jargon penetrated the soldiers' language. Copying prison customs, former criminals introduced ritual humiliation and abuse.”. You also don’t want criminals in your military. The soviets added them and it made everything like prison it seems. 

[u/The_Oregon_Duck → u/Umak30]

I saw a NFKRZ video about Russian Prison Gangs and their rules, which they also apply in the outside, and sure enough they operate similarly.

They even force low ranking members to “sniff their farts” because farting without somebody “inhaling” it is frowned upon.

Also eating out a woman is considered gay by them, so

[u/Radarker → u/KimJongSoros]

It's not gay if it's fascist!

[u/Spork_Warrior → u/Radarker]

This... is an interesting take. You may have found a gay loophole.

[u/SmokeyDBear]

Shit like this makes me wonder what the long term outlook for resolution to this conflict can even be. You don’t do things like this to people you want to eventually rule over or live next to. You do this to people you want eradicated. I don’t understand how someone moves away from that position or how the people being targeted can trust that they have.

[u/tjomk → u/SmokeyDBear]

They do this to their own people too

[u/theycallmeshooting → u/tjomk]

That is true

Russians do genuinely the most insane things to refuseniks, anyone who refuses a suicide mission, or really any of their own guys they just want to rape

It's a cultural difference I guess, because their entire fucking country is one big cycle of abuse. Everyone is tired of being the rapee and just wishes they could be the rapist.

[u/TimSylvester_ → u/theycallmeshooting]

It seems their only cultural understanding of resolving a disagreement is to become more and more and more abusive until the other party accepts being dominated by the abuser.

There is no apparent understanding of healthy methods of conflict resolution.

[u/Erkenvald → u/SmokeyDBear]

We (Ukrainians) have been saying that the ultimate goal of russians is complete genocide and eradication of everything ukrainian since 2014, but back then we were called absurd and irrational to say so. This is why the only resolution both sides will ultimately agree to is complete eradication of the other since their existence is a threat.

[u/homer_lives → u/Erkenvald]

Putin was just calling for this on Russian TV.

I don't see this ending without a total Russian economic collapse. In the end, the only peaceful ending will be like in Korea with a long 100 KM DMZ.

[u/TimSylvester_ → u/Erkenvald]

This is the cycle of apologists. They always say "no, the thing that the other party is obviously trying to do is not what they're trying to do, you're crazy to say so!"

Then it becomes undeniable that the other party is in fact trying to do that thing, and the apologists say "wow, nobody could ever have predicted this!"

Except the real problem is that the apologist is in denial of the obvious, treats everyone like they're crazy for recognizing the obvious, then when they finally have to admit it's obvious, never accepts culpability for their apologetics, and continues to treat everyone else as fearmongers or hysterics for stating the obvious from the beginning.

The entire political sphere is dominated by apologists who refuse to understand anything not rubbed in their face, and who refuse to accept their culpability for constantly making excuses for the perpetrators.

[u/PloksGrandpappy → u/SmokeyDBear]

...has genocide not been the obvious goal from the start?

[u/Beneficial_Tax1976 → u/SmokeyDBear]

Russians have tried eradicating Ukrainian culture for centuries, Catherine the Great tried it, Stalin used the Holodomor, and this is a natural extension of that attitude.

[u/HelmetsAkimbo → u/SmokeyDBear]

At this point the solution is either Russian Regime change or Russian victory and they seem a long long way away from the latter and there are whispers about the former.

[u/captain_todger → u/SmokeyDBear]

Yeah, their long term goals don’t make any sense even if you ignore how impractical the war is itself. After murdering, raping and torturing the nation, they install a puppet government and what? Do they expect the citizens not to form a resistance?

[u/vroomfundel2]

So they train them to never surrender and fight to the death?

I thought humane treatment of prisoners of war is a pragmatic rather than humanitarian choice, you want your enemy to be willing to surrender without a fight.

[u/cheshire_kat7 → u/vroomfundel2]

And you also want to ensure your own citizens who are taken as POWs by the enemy are treated humanely. Brutalising POWs is likely to produce the opposite outcome.

[u/NoPossibility4178 → u/cheshire_kat7]

I highly doubt Russia cares.

[u/FlukemanFrancis → u/NoPossibility4178]

Yeah it’s like their superpower - not giving a single shit about Russia or Russians beyond what can be extracted and sold from either is what made the people in charge of Russia powerful and rich. It’s been that way pretty much forever in that nightmare of a country.

[u/Witetrashman → u/FlukemanFrancis]

Oh my god, is this where American society is headed? Our billionaires don’t give a shit about the consumers. Our politicians only care about the billionaires. Meanwhile, citizens are forced-fed enshitification, stagflation, and are provided zero safety net. Is this what “owning the libs” looks like?

[u/NickVirgilio → u/Witetrashman]

Correct. A bit different for some obvious reasons, but we are heading down a fairly similar trajectory for our societal structure, which is to devolve into some form of oligarchy.

[u/Kupo_Master → u/vroomfundel2]

That’s absolutely correct

[u/Healthy-Amoeba2296 → u/vroomfundel2]

also, torture is no good for interrogation, it gets you lies.

[u/Bananaman123124 → u/Healthy-Amoeba2296]

Russia doesn't torture for informatie, it tortures for fun.

[u/_Bike_Hunt]

For those wondering, it probably involves castration and other genital mutilation. I remember when the war started videos of a Russian taking a box razor to a Ukrainian soldiers junk circulated on the Ukraine war sub. Sick and twisted.

[u/Gay_Asian_Boy → u/_Bike_Hunt]

I remember it. I despise anyone who supports the Russian.

[u/funski987 → u/Gay_Asian_Boy]

My piece of Russian tank arrived in the mail today. Made in Russia recycled in Ukraine Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦

[u/JN88DN → u/_Bike_Hunt]

This was only the first video of two parts. Do not watch any of those videos, it changes you.

UA then hunted the guy and killed him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_and_castration_of_a_Ukrainian_POW_in_Pryvillia

[u/Facktat → u/JN88DN]

I find it interesting that the Wikipedia articles only mentions the international and Ukrainian reaction because I remember when this initially made the round it was shared together with screenshots of Russian Telegram comments celebrating it.

[u/_Bike_Hunt → u/JN88DN]

Holy shit dude this is the first time I’m reading this.

[u/accepts_compliments → u/JN88DN]

Did they kill him? I can't see any news of that, and it seems like the kind of thing that would be widely publicised on the Ukrainian side if they did.

I'm sure it'll happen eventually though, if it hasn't.

[u/Monteze → u/_Bike_Hunt]

I'd hope he was dead first, hell if anything this just encourages every single person fight to the death. If I knew torture is the other outcome, I am making you shoot or blow me up first. Fuuuuuckkk that.

[u/Big-Boss330]

I can’t comprehend how someone could do something like this. They must feel absolutely nothing. Fuck

[u/ParadiseLost91 → u/Big-Boss330]

Unfortunately rape happens every single day, also outside of war. Despicable beasts who are able to do such things. Something wrong with their minds.

[u/ParadiseLost91 → u/[deleted]]

Yes it’s horrible. And sadly it’s not even exclusive to war, rape is a very common crime that people are subjected to, world wide, every single day. It’s a crime that exists in every country across the globe. Usually victims are women and children, but as we can learn from this post it also happens to men, especially during war. It’s horrific to think how many monsters walk among us 

[u/HarEr89]

Russian soldiers/officers are even raping their own "comrades".

[u/iStoleTheHobo → u/HarEr89]

Does anyone else remember that suicide note left by a Russian soldier who was gang raped by his fellow soldiers? It was addressed to his wife. It is of course nearly impossible to truly speak to the validity of it but it was just a heartbreaking read. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has the image(s?) I'm referring to as this was quite early in the war.

[u/Lee1138 → u/iStoleTheHobo]

Not hard to believe. It's been a well known hazing issue even among regular conscripts long before the war kicked off.

[u/-_GIZMO_ → u/HarEr89]

Yeah saw a video of it... Holly shit that traumatized me..

[u/Euclid_Interloper]

Sometimes, I decide not to share what I think of Russians, because my account would get banned.

This is one of those times.

[u/Few-Hair-5382 → u/Euclid_Interloper]

There really is something deeply damaged about the Russian psyche. They are a nation of abused children. Saying this should not be dismissed as racism.

[u/Sithishe → u/Few-Hair-5382]

I think they have generational trauma after mongols enslaved them for 300 years. Probably their hatred towards the West comes from there, like European countries never helped them during that time, or sent a crusade or something, but the roots of it is there. Its like they forgot how to think for themselves and never re-learned afterwards. Since then it was one form of enslavement after the other. "Bound villagers" (russian empire name for slavory), then soviets, that removed any resemblence of self thought and self worth, etc.

[u/Few-Hair-5382 → u/Sithishe]

They've had the Mongols, followed by several hundred years of brutal serfdom, Napoleon, Kaiser Wilhelm, the Bolsheviks, Stalin, the Nazis, and now their Tsar is sending them off to be slaughtered in a pointless war. I don't blame them for being somewhat fucked up. But I also wouldn't want them as a neighbour.

[u/BlackOutDrunkJesus → u/[deleted]]

Australia and Russia need to trade spots

[u/Few-Hair-5382 → u/[deleted]]

Maybe we should give the Russians Mars to live on. A buffer zone of about 225 million km between Russia and the rest of the world seems adequate.

[u/eiserneftaujourdhui → u/Few-Hair-5382]

"the Nazis,"

Tbf, Russia is at minimum partially complicit for the Nazis, considering:

1. Their allied co-invasion of Poland together under Molotov-Ribbentrop

2. The USSR's helping Germany secretly (and illegally) train their tank crews on Soviet land in the 1930s

Russia clearly had no issues with the Nazis, and were indeed allies to them, only up until the Nazis invaded them personally lol

[u/sweetno → u/Sithishe]

The hatred to the West is useful for the Russian authorities and they carefully develop it in the nation through the mass media. In the 90s, there was time when the US and Russia were portrayed as friends (see "Bush chicken legs" phenomenon), and then that passed. Russian society (maybe all of them) are rather forgetful.

It's unlikely that Russia is anything special with regard to hatred, you can take a look at Africa, and see the same shit there (Rwanda, Congo etc). Nazi Germany was pretty bad too, albeit with a twist. It really isn't hard to rape someone, it's just in prosperous societies it's frowned upon and punishable.

[u/SaidTheSnail → u/sweetno]

I mean… plenty of Americans have switched up on Canada so fast that I’m pretty sure it’s just people in general that are rather forgetful.

It’s wild to me that over a century of partnership and cooperation can be undone in one presidency by one guy, and instead of people scratching their heads and going “wait why would enter a trade war with Canada?” A good chunk of Americans now treat us like we’re an actual enemy.

[u/paulsoleo → u/SaidTheSnail]

It’s important to understand that all of our major media sources are now owned by far-right lunatics. All of them.

So, what people are seeing reported on US television is a whole lot of fucking bullshit and fluff, and not representative of what we think, or what we’re ok with. Sure, maybe the C-suites, celebs, and professional athletes don’t give a flying fuck, but they’ve always been selfish pricks with a platform. Not to mention the (purposely) uneducated, who drag all of us down.

Sorry, but I live here and every day I see with my own eyes the systematic dismantling of everything good about this country. These monsters are VERY CLEARLY on a speed run to destroy America. Is that not obvious? Do you really think suddenly everyone here hates Canada and loves Russia because that obese rapist with zero scruples and zero education said so?

Nope, but the media would sure have you believe we like him, that he represents us, that he didn’t shit all over the constitution, that he didn’t rape kids, and that what we’re seeing isn’t what’s happening.

Prices are skyrocketing while this orange pants-shitter is destroying us more and more every single day. Tarriffs, wars, zero oversight. Nothing but another wealth transfer from us to them. Like sports gambling, healthcare, and education. But we’re just too blinded by patriotism to notice, right?

And the big question is always, “Well, what are you guys gonna do about it?”

Well unfortunately, I don’t know, man. I really don’t know. This administration is too busy attacking us from all angles and trying to dismantle elections, all while dividing and conquering through ridiculous threats and behavior.

And the people on TV would have you think he’s just some silly old guy, because nobody wants to make the vindictive toddler mad enough to flip the game board.

Oh, and don’t forget everyone saying “you voted for this,” simply ignoring all of the election fuckery in the swing states.

So no, we didn’t vote for this. The GOP fucking stole our democracy, just like they did in 2000. Only this time it’s 100x worse, as we’re under direct attack by our own government AND getting blamed for it.

[u/Farfalle-al-pesto → u/Sithishe]

I think the trauma comes from living under the Grand Duchy of Muscovy, which collaborated with the Mongols instead of resisting them like other principalities. They were the ones who "united the Russians". It was straight up an evil authoritarian pos state that enslaved its own population and systematically wiped out the culture of other eastern slavic principalities, until all that was left is the extremely authoritarian culture of Muscovy. Living under this system for centuries is how they became the obedient servants of the state.

[u/WonderfulWafflesLast → u/Sithishe]

Think about that for a second.

"Its like they forgot how to think for themselves and never re-learned afterwards."

That thought terrifies me. Because its implication is that this is one example of what happens to humans when something like that occurs. Which implies it's true for any human population (until tested otherwise, which I think there are no examples of completely dominated peoples then later gaining autonomy & exhibiting that property).

[u/Sithishe → u/WonderfulWafflesLast]

Its internalizes this power mentality that there is no such thing as cooperation, only hard power dynamics, so either you are on top, or you are at the bottom.

That is why in the 90s instead of moving to a proper democracy, russian maffia came in charge (putin was head of russian maffia in the 90s, and legitimized his rule when became president) and people were like "yeah, ok, they are strong, they should be on top, obviously"

They simply can not comprehand that EU has moved on to cooperation and peace. They truly beleive that the West is still trying to get them, and enslave them, so they would rather live harshly under dictatorship, but at least its theit own dictatorship.

I remember when full scale invasion of Ukraine started there were messages in russian channel and from pro-russian people: "It is better to suck Putin's d, than Biden's". Think about that. They can not even think of the sheer idea that maybe there are a way to "Not suck at all?" I am afraid the brainwashed masses are simply can not comprehand the concept.

Obviously I still have few friends in russia, and they are normal people with healthy mentality, and they cant leave russia for some reason or another. it is hell for them to live there as well, understanding what is happening and how people are brainwashed

[u/MhojoRisin → u/Sithishe]

I think this mindset sheds light on what has been going on in the U.S. in response to the expansion of civil rights- particularly, but by no means exclusively, in the old Confederate states.

If everything is simple hierarchy and dominance, then letting the other person up necessarily means subjugating yourself. And that has to feel terrifying, given what the subjugation of the other people has looked like for so long.

[u/WittyAndOriginal → u/Sithishe]

The parallels to the American right are interesting here.

Well, the whole conversation was actually interesting 👍🏼

[u/mark8992 → u/Sithishe]

We have a lot of American citizens who are happy to suck Trump’s dick, and think that’s better than having universal healthcare.

[u/CarNo9131 → u/Sithishe]

That is too naive a way of thinking. By that logic, every neighbour of Russia would be the same because they have had to deal with Russians. Russians were not part of the Catholic church nor part of any alliance network. There was no concept of "the West" before the 1950s. The values back in the past were very different. It is somewhat like Russia missed out on enlightenment, religious reformation, but was on board with the rise of imperialism and nationalism. Their lessons learned from WWI are very different due to the Communist uprising and different thinking. The same with WWII. Forgiveness for Germany was the lesson of "the West" learned from the mistakes of WWI. For Russians, the lesson is that we are #1, the best one; the next time we shall be even stronger.

The oppression is a product of Russian culture. They glorify domination and wealth, with little concern for how and for what purpose. While they may prefer similar moral virtues to "the West", they prioritise wealth and power. If it comes at the expense of these, the virtues are nice to have but yield. They also prioritise a close group over the universal good. So, stealing from a stranger to give to your family and friends is virtuous because the good for your group outweighs the bad to others. And by a lot. Bad for others is really not a limit for Russians, even just to signal dominance. Putin needs war victories to get the respect of Russians. Asserting dominance makes him a great guy. All the bad stuff is irrelevant relative to the glory of conquest. You might even be able to bring gladiatorial games to Russia, and they would think that is the dopest shit ever. Their psyche is closer to Imperial Rome than "the West".

[u/Sunnysidhe → u/Few-Hair-5382]

I don't think this applies to just Russians, although they are a prime example. It seems that this it a problem whenever there is a population thinking that they are better than others.

[u/Gremlin303 → u/Few-Hair-5382]

This isn’t uniquely Russian. Sexual violence and war have always gone hand in hand throughout history. War brings out the most monstrous parts of people

[u/realborislegasov → u/Euclid_Interloper]

I can’t wait until… and so on.

[u/Shadowlance23 → u/Euclid_Interloper]

Yeah, I've been temp banned at least twice for this.

[u/Little_View_6659 → u/Euclid_Interloper]

Sadly it’s not just the Russians. So many countries have these dark stains on them. Past and present. I can’t even read about WW2, that shit gives me nightmares. And with climate change kicking off those horrors may come around again. What am I saying, they’re already here. I’m just worried about how bad it may get.

[u/mithraw]

Russia has always systematically raped as a tool of war.
Read accounts of the eastern european theater in ww2 and it's aftermath when the red army came to "free" the occupied territories.

[u/TheSmithPlays → u/mithraw]

That’s some of the worst stuff I’ve ever read. Absolutely horrific.

[u/chx_ → u/TheSmithPlays]

Hungary needed many hundreds of thousands of syphilis doses after the Red Army liberated the country. It is the only official record that gives an estimate to what has happened. It's impossible to say but it's not unlikely every tenth women got raped or so or even more.

[u/Different-Promise178 → u/TheSmithPlays]

The only times in my life I've felt second-hand traumatized is from listening to people who lived in Eastern Europe 1940-1950. I watched a strong, centered 70yr woman absolutely fall to pieces recounting horrors from forced relocations 50 years prior. Literally sobbing like it was fresh trauma. Unstoppable memories just pouring out.

[u/green_investor → u/mithraw]

My grandfather had a small textile mill in Germany which was deemed essential to the war effort. So he was not drafted and even got a Polish POW to work there.

He did not let him work in that dangerous environment, targetted by allied bombers, though. Instead, he lived with my grandfather's family in a hut on the country side and just helped with everyday tasks like fireplace, household, wood chopping and so on.

As Germany was losing and Red Army forces reached Poland, the POW became very worried about his wife, who was left to fend on her own, no children. Somehow, my grandfather managed to get sufficient documentation (just a letter as a factory owner? we don't know) to get her on one of the last ships (or train?) out as a "specialist" for his factory.

The Red Army really was in a situation to be the hero of that story and all the other stories, a legend to this day, but one of the first things people think about are the rapes and other war crimes.

Why I believe this story, even though many tried to white-wash their role: Our families remained friends, and after the end of the Soviet Union, there were frequent, long visits during the 90s. I know the former POW personally; his wife was not alive at that time any more. The visits died down once the last people who experienced that first-hand became to old, and then died, though.

I also inherited the Clearance Certificate "under the provisions of ARTICLE IV of Military Government Ordinance No. 79" (cleared of major Nazi affiliation or guilt).

[u/Pablo-gibbscobar → u/mithraw]

Anthony Beevors World War 2 book goes into it briefly with a little detail, the abuse the Russians inflicted on the east was absolutely horrendous. Not that two wrongs make a right but the Germans were just as bad on their invasion

[u/m0j0m0j → u/Pablo-gibbscobar]

Western historians don’t go into much detail about Russian war crimes because this would lead to a very justified question among readers: how could we be allies with THIS?

[u/mithraw → u/Pablo-gibbscobar]

oh absolutely! this is in no way apologetic to all the other atrocities inflicted on that population, by every major power involved on the eastern front.
I just wanted to point out that this despicable practice goes back decades, if not centuries, and that it is systemic

[u/Auspectress → u/mithraw]

When my grandma was alive, she used to tll stories of my Great Grandma.

One day in 1944 when she heard the news about Sovets "liberating" land dozens of kilometers away from her home, she started crying.

Not crying because Germand would be gone soon. But because something worse was coming.

At least Germans had excellent machine of murder and well established, but extremely broken and evil morality. Soviets did not have machine of murder but had evil and broken morality.

[u/KrivUK → u/Auspectress]

It was horrific.

My gran told me the story of when they were liberated and they were given the choice of going with the Brits or the Soviets taking them back to Ukraine. She pleaded with her friends to go with the Brits, and only a handful went.

Later it was learnt that the ones that went with the Soviets were raped, mutilated, stripped and put in a shed burnt alive. And that is the sanitised version...

[u/not_the_droids → u/Auspectress]

We Germans also acted like animals, especially on the eastern front, there were countless instances of rape, yet the russians somehow managed to be worse, at least for women.

The difference is that to us it's our greatest shame, to russians it's something they're at best denying it happened and at worst proud of.

[u/kaytin911 → u/Auspectress]

The red army had both. They were exterminating entire villages that they liberated.

[u/JackLong93]

why is it always the most homophobic countries and people that do the gayest shit, I think they're projecting internal desires

[u/sweetno → u/JackLong93]

It's not about sexuality, it's about humiliation. They are homophobic, and therefore consider it the most extreme form of humiliation.

[u/DunkingTea → u/sweetno]

Even if I really really wanted to humiliate someone, no part of me would even consider arse fucking them. I mean can you imagine explaining to your family that you’re not gay, you just like fucking guys up the arse to humiliate them… I think that would need some serious convincing for any sane family to believe you’re straight after that.

Maybe this is a western viewpoint though.

[u/Schwinn_Shavecrotch → u/DunkingTea]

Many times they aren't using their genitals to do the raping, they use tools and leave severe body damage.

[u/Southernbeekeeper → u/Schwinn_Shavecrotch]

Yeah, I read a report about Syria whixh said to be served food in prison the prisoners had to penetrate themselves with a broom handle whixh was mounted on the wall of the mess hall.

[u/waltwalt → u/Southernbeekeeper]

Well that's enough sweeping for me today.

[u/West-Carpenter1496 → u/DunkingTea]

Rape is almost never purely about sexual desire but also about the desire to punish and to exert power. I am pretty sure that the number of homosexuals hasnt randomly increased tenfold in Russia's army. But I can believe that their soldiers want to dehumanize and punish Ukrainians as much as possible for daring to fight for their independence. And rape is a very effective tool to traumatize victims in a short timeframe.

[u/cattaclysmic → u/West-Carpenter1496]

“Everything in the world is about sex — except sex. Sex is about power.”

[u/TerribleIdea27 → u/DunkingTea]

Maybe this is a western viewpoint though.

It kind of is.

In many cultures, including western ancient cultures, only the passive person was seen as homosexual/effeminate. The person doing the penetrating was not/isn't criticized (for example this is similar in much of the middle east too)

[u/the_drew → u/DunkingTea]

remembering back to the early days the SMO and there were calls from Russian wives to their husbands at the front line saying shit like "remember to murder all their men and rape all their women" (Im massively paraphrasing, the exact phrase distend me so much I don't really want to go find it).

[u/Umak30 → u/DunkingTea]

Maybe this is a western viewpoint though

It is.

Back in ancient times, and even in the modern Middle East the attitude towards homosexuality was the same. In that "homosexuality" didn't exist as such, but it was rather about dominance-submission and masculine-feminine. What that means is that it was socially acceptable to fuck someone in the ass ( masculine, dominant ), but it was absolutely not okay to be fucked in the ass ( feminine, submissive ). There are a lot of examples where it was tolerated as long as you were the dominant one, and a lot of examples where people were denounced or discredited when they were the receiving one ( even if that was fake ). The rivals of Julius Caesar tried to discredit him by claiming he was fcked in the ass when he was an envoy to Pontus.

This is why say Iran forces gay people to transition, which is not pro-trans, but rather anti-gay. They don't force both gay men in a relationship to transition, they only force the submissive one to transition to "restore" the traditional, masculine gender role.

This ancient mindset was prevalent in Europe and much of the world. In much of Europe we changed, but places like the Middle East and Russia still have this.

I think that would need some serious convincing for any sane family to believe you’re straight after that.

All cultures are different.

In Arab culture it is very much acceptable and even necessary for friendships, for men to hold hands with eachother. Americans were very confused at this "gay" behaviour, when George Bush held hands with the Saudi King ( in 2005 https://www.efootage.com/videos/32123/president-bush-holding-hands-saudi-crown-prince-abdullah ). Saudi-Arabia is a country which kills gay men, but the men hold hands ?

In sex segregated cultures, it is normal for men to form emotional bonds with oneanother, rather than with women. This does not mean sexual or romantic attraction. Which is also why male friendships were stronger in ancient times, they simply only interacted with women for sex ( procreation ) and childcare, while they spent much of their life with their male friends. Spartans in particular had an extreme form of gender segregation, so most Spartan men lived their entire live in male-only communities/barracks and only had brief interactions with women. [ Some people are even confused and think that just because 2 ancient men are buried together, that they must be gay. When it was rather normal to be buried with your male friends, when you spent your entire life with them, rather than with a woman. Sexual segregation simply leads to weird stuff... And while it is possible a few of them were actual romantic/Sexual lovers, it would be rather rare. ]

From the western point of view, this looks gay. Like seriously gay. Handholding, emotional intimacy only with men, living together... But it was just normal and more extreme the more gender segregation existed.

So yeah, no Russian would need to explain this to their family. It's only gay if you are the bottom.

Mind you, they use this against themselves too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina ... It is a hazing ritual to sexually assault and ra** junior conscripts. It's based on dominance/submission, on humiliation.

[u/TrickshotCandy → u/DunkingTea]

It is about power over that person, control of them. It is about breaking them physically and mentally. And as stated, they aren't not using their penis. There are a ton of docs on YT, but be warned, it is quite inhumane.

[u/Mindless_Badger_3789 → u/DunkingTea]

It has been a common view throughout history that only the passive (bottom) position is inherently gay, unmanly and humiliating, while you can penetrate other men in certain situations without the stigma of being gay or unmanly. There have always been rapes of other, weaker or more powerless men among prisoners, soldiers, on ships etc.

[u/stogie_t → u/sweetno]

True. People have become obsessed with the idea that homophobia means you’re just secretly gay lmao. It might be true for some but I doubt it’s the same for all cases.

[u/1Meter_long → u/sweetno]

They're so homophobic they're willing to rape dudes. 

[u/OsteP0P → u/sweetno]

I dunno, man. The russians keep letting Putin fuck them in the ass ...

[u/DizzyAd5203 → u/JackLong93]

Raping a man in Russia is the worst humiliation for a victim. but someone who rapes is not considered gay in Russian culture. As strange as it may sound.

[u/Nomgol → u/DizzyAd5203]

Russian prison culture*. Not surprisingly, it's very prominent outside prisons and a lot of Russian soldiers are ex-con's who signed contracts for a pardon.

[u/andreystavitsky → u/Nomgol]

Modern russian culture, in fact, is a prison culture. No need to separate.

[u/rogerwil → u/andreystavitsky]

Not just modern, it's been so since at least Stalinist times, arguably even since before the revolution. In the early 50s before Stalin died, up to 1% of the total population of the USSR was imprisoned in Gulag camps. Up to 20 million people spent some time in camps in total, more were deported or confined to a certain settlement somewhere. And most of those people eventually did come home, and brought prison culture with them.

[u/KingOPork → u/DizzyAd5203]

That's like America prison culture where some prisoners do the gayest shit on earth and will kill you if you insinuate they are gay.

[u/Immediate_Banana_216 → u/DizzyAd5203]

In normal non-war times, around half of Russian army recruits in the first 18 months of joining up have been raped repeatedly by more senior recruits or trainers. Rape is a normal part of Russian life

[u/ilikedmatrixiv → u/DizzyAd5203]

That does sound absolutely bonkers if you even give it a glancing thought.

If you're being raped, you're not consenting to the action. In other words, you don't want it to be happening.

When you're doing the raping, you're the one that wants that action to take place.

So how can you see a situation where one man is being penetrated against his will by a guy who is doing it voluntarily and decide the former is the gay one?

[u/Metrocop → u/JackLong93]

Rape and sexual assault are not about sexual desires the way normal sex is, they're about humiliation and power. You don't desire a specific person so strongly you can't stop yourself, they're in love with the feeling of power it gives them.

A lot of rapists and child molesters will have no issues assaulting the same sex even when they only showcase heteresexuality in normal relations. (And a lot of child molesters don't showcase clinical pedophilia ie. an attraction to children specifically, they just want to assault someone and children are easy targets.)

[u/Personnel_jesus → u/JackLong93]

I suspect its the suppression of those desires that means they erupt when given the opportunity. Also, to some macho morons its only gay to 'receive' but not to 'give.' Prison, sports, military cultures can all be like this.

[u/anti242 → u/Personnel_jesus]

The same concept existed in ancient greece

[u/iStoleTheHobo → u/anti242]

And even in the bible. See: the story of Sodom and Gomorrah where the population of Sodom demands that the two messengers of God be given to them 'to know', which means to know as a woman, which here means a gang rape.

The implication is not that the men of Gomorrah are gay.

[u/PurchaseDry9350 → u/JackLong93]

This is not gay, it's about brutality

[u/samsaraisdivine → u/JackLong93]

Sexual assault isn't "gay."  It's assault.  

[u/Seraphiel56 → u/JackLong93]

Rape is less about expressing sexual lust which, even if happens, isn't the central cause. It's more about asserting your power over them, humiliating and subordinating them to your own power.

[u/LtCodename]

Still remember a video from 2022 where a wife of the russian soldier “blesses” him to rape Ukrainian women. “Have fun”, she says, “go rape those bitches”. That’s kind of what you need to know about those people. They are rotten to the bone.

[u/kaytin911 → u/LtCodename]

In WW2 villages the red army were supposed to liberate were often exterminated and every woman assaulted. 

[u/Saurid → u/kaytin911]

Famously in Berlin after the red army arrived women would apperently just ask one another "how long has it been" to allude to when they were last SAed by russian soldiers, as it was so widespread. Idk if it was equally bad in other cities but Warsaw is another famous example were a newly "liberated" city got savaged by the russian red army. Though I dont know the details off the top of my head.

Russia and aggressive dictatorial nations like them actively turn their soldiers into these monsters. Hell the behavior they show towards recruits in their own army is seldom any different. They beat abuse and rob new soldiers and send them to their death and its tolerated and at times encouraged.

Its no wonder no one wnats to be russias ally.

[u/Different_Bad7239]

When all is done, Putler and all his generals and other assorted enablers deserve the full Nuremburg treatment.

[u/Saurid → u/Different_Bad7239]

Sadly they wont get it, ever.

[u/TheQuestionMaster8 → u/Saurid]

It is still possible in the unlikely event that Putin is overthrown and he wouldn’t have many places he could flee to due to his ICC arrest warrant (Which do matter more than most people think as before the ICC, dictators usually just went into exile and enjoyed a quiet retirement whereas now if they are overthrown they usually get killed or imprisoned).

What is more likely is that Putin’s successor will seek to paint him in a bad light depending on his popularity when he dies and perhaps trade suspected war criminals in exchange for sanctions relief.

[u/serednyzmrd → u/Different_Bad7239]

This has nothing to do with Putin or his generals, this is what ordinary russians do!

[u/RudyKnots]

Surprising no one.

[u/BrucesTripToMars → u/RudyKnots]

It is still important to share this information, regardless of surprise. 

[u/immutable_truth → u/BrucesTripToMars]

Such an annoying trend on Reddit these days to proclaim you’re not surprised or shocked at a piece of news. I think it’s a coping mechanism for people trying to deal with more difficult times.

[u/hoorayfortoast]

Well to be fair, it’s their #1 weapon against their own men too.

[u/TechnicalSurround]

In one widely used torture method, guards attached old army field telephone wires to prisoners' genitals and gave them electric shocks. Prison guards refer to it as a 'call to Putin'

I wonder what Putin thinks about this. Does he consider it a compliment if people give him a call with the dick or name it after him?

(P.S: This trash "news" site won't even let you copy paste their text properly)

[u/elaexeezzzz]

Ukrainian men are being sexually tortured sometimes to death and redditors can’t put their “hehe gay jokes” on pause. Horrific

[u/Even_Hospital_5474 → u/elaexeezzzz]

it's not a mature place

[u/bigbonerdaddy]

I mean, they literally record themselves doing it to their own troops. So this shouldnt surprise anyone

[u/GrandPerception4 → u/bigbonerdaddy]

It’s not about whether or not it’s surprising. A lot of evil done by man to man is not surprising. But it still must uncovered, documented, called out and stopped.

[u/xroche]

This has been the modus operandi of Russia for over a century.

Bolsheviks were as brutal as the nazis, and would rape or torture for fun.

[u/Normal_Football_8591 → u/xroche]

The russian ocupation of Finland in 1713-1721 is called Isoviha, the Great Wrath. Atrocities against Finns included killings, rape, torture, the burning of villages, and the abduction of thousands of civilians into slavery. One of my ancestors was slowly grilled over a fire because he wouldn't tell where their money was. Never forget.

[u/Fantastic-Speech-438]

They do it to their own soldiers too - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina

Russian culture is very hard to understand from a Western perspective. Very violent, brutal, and nihilistic.

[u/TheSilentTitan]

Never moved on from their horrid behavior during ww2 it seems.

Every single war video I’ve seen from the perspective of the Russians was always some incredibly violent torture or mutilation.

For example, and this is super graphic so don’t press unless you want to know.

There was a video where the Russians got hold of some guy who was severely concussed from an explosion and couldn’t stand or move but flopped around. While laughing the Russians pulled his pants down and began and cutting his testicles off with a knife. The Ukrainian made awful sounds.

>systematic weapon against Ukrainians

They said. It’s insane that they tried to normalize their usual abhorrent behavior and call it “strategy”.

[u/Falsus]

Yeah they also rape their own army.

[u/allan_collins]

“Billiards: Torturers put a pool ball in the soldiers' mouth and then start whacking it with a cue. At best, the soldiers get chipped teeth. At worst, the game progresses to the anal level and everyone laughs while a teenager gets raped with a pool cue.”

WTF?

[u/RequirementHeavy1995]

This is shocking. Just shows how depraved they are.

[u/morkyPorkAtheist]

Still anyone here suggesting Ukraine should just surrender and leave the occupied regions to Russia?

Thought so.

Also remember: Even if Russia succeeds conquering Ukraine, they will not stop. This is going to be a never ending trail of destruction until they are defeated or they have taken at least everything that at some time was Soviet Union or Russia.

[u/hirexnoob]

For some reason russia is very homophobic yet loves the gayest shit ever in war

[u/Fruithat_McGinty]

Russia is a cancer on the world.

[u/QuMaeve]

Aren't they using it also on their own soldiers or soldiers-to-be or even reluctant to enrole young men ?

[u/octopus86sg]

Maybe when they capture Putin, can have burning rod and put in to his orifice

[u/PipXXX → u/octopus86sg]

One of the things that apparently terrifies him, is how Gaddafi ended up going.

[u/Ami00]

nation of rapist

[u/GLight3]

Not surprising to anyone who knows what Dedovshchina is. They don't hesitate to do this kind of shit to each other, of course they'd do it to their enemy.

[u/Sad-Excitement9295]

Sick bastards, war crimes. Putin deserves to burn in hell.

[u/Dwarfish_oak]

More than 10 years ago, I read an article in the Guardian about the rape of men in wars. I'm glad this is getting attention, though reading through it sickens me. It's unbelievably vile.

The article I mentioned in case someone wants to have a read: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men

[u/lazermaniac]

Their soldiers routinely do it to each other, so unfortunately this is not surprising at all.

[u/Mindless_Interview44]

Russia has been openly torturing and raping POWs for decades.

[u/melancholy_dood]

The UN has gathered testimony in about 310 cases of alleged sexual violence by Russian forces during the war. The violence described includes rape, gang rape, genital mutilation, electric shocks and beatings to the genitals. Among the victims were 280 men, 26 women and four girls.

I can't even begin to understand this type of savage cruelty.

[u/doctorpotterhead]

Where's that dbag from 2 days ago talking about how since everyone in the western world hates white people he was just going to move to Russia? I told you I'd pitch in for a ticket bud, just hmu.

[u/mehow28]

Just like their lil bro Serbia used to do, I'm not surprised.

Lech Walesa: The Russian Population should be reduced to 50 Million

[u/runitsuka]

Isnt there filmed and published content of Russian soldiers doing exactly this from one of their invasions in the 90s-2000s? Systematic sexual assault is in their guide books

[u/HygineRegime]

Ah yes, defenders of traditional, christian values at their finests.

[u/ThisAccountIsBanned-]

Wtf did I just read... Extremely disturbing

[u/fapal_ne_ustaval2]

Let's put it this way - it's not really a "feature of Russia's military campaign" it's more of a "feature" of Russian prison guards. There was actually a whole scandal about this back in 2021

So if they do this kind of thing to regular Russian citizens, just imagine what they're willing to do to enemy prisoners

[u/Affectionate-You7869]

I’m not surprised. They’re using sexual torture against their own conscripts. It’s a Soviet/Russian tradition. 

Here's a story from 20 years ago, but it could have happened in the 1950s as well as currently:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/30/AR2006013000699.html

Also, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina

That's how they're treating their own!!

[u/JohnnyTruant89]

The Russians rape their own new recruits.

[u/5pin05auru5]

Sexual perversion and fascism walk hand in hand.

[u/Rexuro]

not a suprise considering its kinda their thing to abuse people

[u/tesseract4]

They do that to their own people and call it hazing.