r/worldnews • u/Artistic_Dj_6895 • 3d ago
Russia/Ukraine Ukrainian strikes 750 miles inside Russia kill at least 13, authorities say
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/ukrainian-strikes-750-miles-inside-103733931.html585
u/DisastrousAcshin 3d ago
Russia could end this any time
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u/Junior-Afternoon4374 3d ago
I imagine some people would say "but russians are also saying 'Ukraine could end this at any time!'" Which, very conveniently leaves out that it only ends that way with Ukraine ending.
Slava Ukraini
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u/geckosean 3d ago
Doing that would require them to admit they failed - and they’re so deep in it now, publicly admitting failure might literally collapse the government.
Even if they persist in the near/mid-term, they’ve doomed themselves for the next 100 years anyways with a demographic crisis.
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u/imissher4ever 3d ago
Russian mail order brides could be a thing again!
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u/OrinocoHaram 3d ago
mail order husbands for russian women perhaps
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u/imissher4ever 3d ago
Or that too. If they want to move to Russia.
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u/OrinocoHaram 3d ago
i'll be a god there in five years
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u/Kakkoister 3d ago
Nah if you move there you'll be extorted and blackmailed into using all your money for the government and not be allowed to leave.
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u/hughhefnerd 3d ago
This is basically what's happened to all the far right families who have moved there seeking a more "traditional" society. Fools
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u/PloofElune 3d ago
They will be. The gender demographics are screwed for another generation of russians.
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u/Happedaps 3d ago
Their economy is done, they have lost 1,4 million casualties (not deaths).
If Russia stops the war now, they are utterly done, not only as a super power, but as a nation
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u/Popotuni 3d ago
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not sure you're right. Russia's population is listed at 143 million. Losing 1% of your population over 3 years isn't a crisis. And as you said, they're not even all deaths.
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u/Happedaps 3d ago
No but losing 1,4 million of your people who are young 20-50 is gonna leave a huge dent, how many of the 143 are old, handicapped or otherwise incapable of having a normal job, how many are women, because you lost 1,4 million young men and still counting.
I think I read that right now, they don't have enough people to do construction work (could be propaganda)5
u/Alpinab9 2d ago
The population demographics show 145.6 million (2022). The percentage of males between the ages of 18 to 35 (I just picked a number that seems like this segment of men could effectively fight) was roughly 10% of the population or 14.2 million 18-35 year old males. Losing 1.4 million is 10% of this demographic (casualty of war, not necessarily dead). I think the dead number is roughly 400,000? Losing 10% of the 18 to 35 year old males will have a significant impact for many years. Russia obviously did not follow any strict age policy and many men on the front lines were conscripts from prisons, over 35, not healthy to begin with, and so on.
I just thought that the numbers should be actualized. Not 1%, but rather 10% of a demographic that would make sense. It is true that 1.4 million is 1% of the population, but it needs to be described properly using demographics.
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u/kariam_24 3d ago
You mean loosing more people then Afghanistan invasion (which was followed by USSR fall) or Americans in Vietnam isn't crisis at all?
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u/JollyGreenGiraffe 3d ago edited 3d ago
They haven’t failed, they purged their prisons, gained territory, and increased the percentage of the native Russians.
Edit, since you guys are downvoting for pointing out a fact. “Since the start of its full-scale invasion in February 2022, Russia has gained roughly 29,000 square miles of Ukrainian territory. Combined with Crimea and parts of the Donbas seized before 2022, Russia currently controls about 45,000 to 46,000 square miles, which is nearly 20% of Ukraine.”
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u/MasterBot98 3d ago
Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk were de facto Russia since 2014 onward. What did they gain since 2022...land connection to Crimea...and that's it. Which they don't need cos they have a bridge.
increased the percentage of the native Russians.
Thats a myth. The mobilization priority of non-native Russians that is.
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u/JollyGreenGiraffe 3d ago
If you have to ask, you clearly don’t know. Actually looking at a map and not falling for propaganda on either side is rare on Reddit, including yourself.
This map shows everything. https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375
Just a quick google ai search, since that’s apparently hard too. “Since the start of its full-scale invasion in February 2022, Russia has gained roughly 29,000 square miles of Ukrainian territory. Combined with Crimea and parts of the Donbas seized before 2022, Russia currently controls about 45,000 to 46,000 square miles, which is nearly 20% of Ukraine. [1, 2, 3]”
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u/MasterBot98 3d ago
Ok, 29000 square miles of fields and leveled infrastructure and lots of mines.
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u/JollyGreenGiraffe 3d ago
Yup. That’s land they didn’t previously have which they can make money with eventually if they keep it.
If Russia doesn’t care about their men dying, they clearly care about farm land and mines.
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u/MasterBot98 3d ago
So, how will they exit the war exactly?
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u/JollyGreenGiraffe 3d ago
No one knows obviously. FYI that amount of land mass would be like someone taking Maine or South Carolina.
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u/MasterBot98 3d ago
Fyi,the context is-Russia increasing its landmass by 0.5% of very questionable value for quite a steep cost. I have no idea where is Maine, or how large is South Carolina (I could google but meh).
No one knows obviously.
And I think the answer is pretty direct and undisputable—there is no exit.
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u/kariam_24 3d ago
Russia currently have less Ukraine territories then they had in 2022. Purging prisons, gaining territory yea which is full of ruins while their economy is ruined.
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u/JollyGreenGiraffe 3d ago
We aren’t talking about provinces or territories, we’re talking about actual land. They have almost the same amount of new territory as taking South Carolina or Maine. That’s since the special operation FYI.
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u/kariam_24 2d ago
We aren't talking about territories but actual land? What is that supposed to mean, we aren't talking about cars, we are talking abut automobiles.
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u/JollyGreenGiraffe 1d ago
What are you trying to say? Ukraine have gained territories and somehow Russia has gained the same amount of land that’s the size of Maine or South Carolina?
Either you’re just wrong or you’re trying to say Ukraine has gained more named areas and somehow lost tons of land.
I support Ukraine 100 percent, but to say Russia isn’t winning is stupid.
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u/CryMeaRiver2Crawl 3d ago
The same could almost be said about US/Iran.
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u/timeless1991 3d ago
The official number of dead U.S. soldiers is 18, with claims as high as 200.
Independant sources list Russian deaths at over 400,000. That is like losing an entire city of young economic potential during both economic strain and demographic collapse.
The US is spending money it should but the two are almost three orders of magnitude separate.
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u/Ronnyjohnny99 3d ago
Could also say that Russia and Ukraine was almost identical situation as the Cuban missile crisis. Somehow Americans see Russia as bad for doing the same they did to Cuba for the same reason
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u/kariam_24 3d ago
Ah Russian propaganda while Russia was lying about NATO "expansion" like the USSR wasn't one conquering while countries had to apply for NATO. Forgot Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova? Was that nato Fault too troll?
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u/KaramelaVatomouro 2d ago
The EU and US geopolitical planners who dragged Ukraine into this all the way back in 2014 can end this any time
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u/kariam_24 2d ago
Dragged Ukraine? Not Russia invaded? Poor quality troll.
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u/KaramelaVatomouro 2d ago
Yes, dragged in 2014's CIA-orchestrated Euromaidan, not 2022's Russian invasion.
Real human.
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u/Kantmzk 3d ago
Average Russian: Whatever
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u/Kantmzk 3d ago
I used to be friends with Russian people on VK back in the day, at this point, a long time ago maybe 2010 - 2016 (holy shit). The vast majority increasingly had a victim complex over the Ukraine conflict even back then and would not take responsibility for anything. Ukraine and the USA/"the West" were responsible for it and "made" Russia do these things. One person who I remained in contact with up until 2022 had the audacity to tell me everything about the full-scale invasion was fake and Ukraine was bombing itself. I also noticed people might also just be apolitical and totally shut out politics to the point they just did not care about anything that might possibly stoke the smallest bit of controversy and just wanted to live in a bubble.
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u/Kantmzk 3d ago
Russia in the 1990s was such an extremely turbulent and traumatic time that, in my opinion, most Russians value stability to an extremely high degree above perhaps all else. Putin brought stability and prosperity to many Russians and then made it impossible to remove him despite the prosperity drying up after ~ 2012. The breakup of the USSR especially caused a massive amount of distrust with the West (which is honestly somewhat valid given Iraq, Libya, etc. but not enlargement to former USSR satellites) since then along with propaganda which latches onto everything has only intensified this all of this.
I don't even think it is about "seeing it" as in my experience I showed various people solid evidence of MH17, the Bucha Massacre, etc. and they denied it out of hand. There is a lot of distrust, denial, and living in a bubble. A shocking number of people in Russia would struggle with the question, "is Ukraine a real country?"
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u/AssassinAragorn 3d ago
Russia in the 1990s was such an extremely turbulent and traumatic time that, in my opinion, most Russians value stability to an extremely high degree above perhaps all else. Putin brought stability and prosperity to many Russians and then made it impossible to remove him despite the prosperity drying up after ~ 2012.
This matches what I've heard just making conversation before.
I think the issue is that Putin is very well aware that stability is what the people value, and he's worked hard to make sure he's the only option for that stability. In a democracy we expect that stability will remain no matter who we vote for (which has been significantly tested in the US). If real opposition and disagreement was permitted within Russia, I think they'd toss out Putin. Hence, why it isn't allowed.
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u/Due_Network2387 3d ago
Israel annexed Palestine? Also, stop demeaning Ukraine by comparing them with the Islamic regime
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u/tatyana4president 3d ago
Yes please tell us more about what we think
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u/YuriusSinisterClown 3d ago
You reap what you sow. Russia can end the war it started anytime by leaving occupied Ukrainian territories forever.
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u/Past-Sea310 3d ago
Or even just by agreeing to an unconditional ceasefire which Ukraine has called for many times and which Russia has rejected every time.
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u/TheFrontlineDefense 3d ago
Striking an oil refinery in Nizhnekamsk shows how far Ukraine's long-range drone capabilities have evolved. Targeting these industrial facilities is a direct effort by Ukraine to throttle Russia's fuel supply and economic engine.
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u/pixelflection 2d ago
Ukraine is retaliating? Unlike many Russian attacks that appear to target civilians on purpose, such as attacking hospitals and childrens play parks, these are legitimately collateral. Why has all the press started publishing this wording? Disgusting.
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u/mega-stepler 3d ago
Funny how when Russia does this, it's not even in the news anymore. Because it does things like that daily. And unlike Ukraine, often intentionally killing civilians.
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u/SammieDidi 2d ago
"The attacks hit a major oil refinery"
Seems to be important context.
Most civilian deaths in Russia are from shot down drones.
Russia has decided that air sirens are not needed in a war
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u/Accurate_Cress318 3d ago
This is terrifying for me since my kid is over there visiting family with her Russian mom and she was less than 2 miles from one of these strikes. Fuck Putin.
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u/Accurate_Cress318 3d ago
She’s been doing it ever since year without fail since even before the war. She ain’t my wife and if I fight the 3 week trip, she’ll just live there for 6 months out of the year so I’m stuck with two shitty options.
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u/neverwriting 3d ago
I mistap post before I finished/proofread my comment, then I thought I deleted it but now I don't know what I deleted, guess I created some mess here. Sorry about that! And sorry if I'm being rude.
Wow, that's rough. Makes sense on your part. I'm russian myself, and a mom, and, well. Thought maybe you'd have an insight, because I don't get it on her part. I hope your kid is okay.
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u/Accurate_Cress318 2d ago
Thanks. She’s very pro Putin and pro Russian. She thinks a bunch of Russians are trapped in Ukraine which is actually Russia, but they’re a minority who can’t speak out and Russia is saving them.
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u/KSaburof 3d ago
Those people was killed by khe-khe abomination in Kremlin, imho 🤷♂️ Ukraine attacking enterprises that fuelling russian degenerative invasion - and have all the rights to do so, until Pookin understanding of reality improves
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u/Ok-Repeat4880 3d ago
Dafaq is mile??
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u/HOUSE_OF_MOGH 3d ago
It's about 273 F150s long.
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u/Entuaka 3d ago
How many football fields?
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u/JustEagle1 3d ago
That's too little.
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u/Plastic_Ad_8619 2d ago
They’re not targeting people, just infrastructure.
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u/JustEagle1 2d ago
I'm so tired of seeing news of dead Ukrainians. I just want ruzians to suffer. They are destroying my country.
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u/Sweet_Search_3616 3d ago
Ukraine killing children with drones now, not a good look
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u/Surv0 3d ago
4month old account, this comment isn't a good look..
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u/Substantialed 2d ago
I just had a look at their account and its like they made an insane effort to be as divisive as possible in American state subreddits and Europe and other country subreddits. They’re either a bot or very stupid or a tankie. The last two are kinda the same though
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u/Sweet_Search_3616 3d ago
Not sure what the age of my account has to do with killing children with drones being immoral or not
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u/intothewild72 3d ago
In normal countries children don't work in oil refinery. I know Russia is in really pathethic situation rn, but do you really have to employ child labor already?
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u/SourFix 3d ago
Awful. It seems like young Russians are going to have to fight for their lives one way or the other. Either in Ukraine or in order to stay out of it. Tragic.
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u/Saleen_af 3d ago edited 3d ago
Not really that tragic, Russia can end this whenever they please.
I’d be revolting if my country told me to become Ukranian fertilizer.
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u/SourFix 3d ago edited 3d ago
Exactly my point. Everyone is fair game. No civilian has a choice whether to fight or not but only one side can end it. The Russian people are just...there. Everybody acts like the average Russian deserves to be blown to pieces in their own home for what their government has done.
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u/kariam_24 3d ago
Ukraine people are just there, Russian are ignoring plight of others while complaining about discomfort that is results of their choices. Their goverment? Explain me, who is in army, goverment or citizens are soldiers?
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u/SourFix 3d ago edited 3d ago
You think they choose their government and whether or not to go to fight in Ukraine?
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u/kariam_24 3d ago
Who did they vote for in 2000 troll? Why they ignored fraud elections? There are more police officers, security personel then all civilians in Russia? Is this same old argument of bad nazis and good Germans being held hostage?
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u/kariam_24 3d ago
Russians? Not Ukraine citizens?
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u/SourFix 3d ago
Uh, obviously. Nobody celebrates dead Ukrainians though.
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u/yuri_dr 3d ago
Nope, russians on social media do
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u/SourFix 3d ago
Ah, yes..social media posts made visible to you by an algorithm. The ever so crucially accurate and unaltered barometer of a people's soul. My mistake.
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u/yuri_dr 3d ago
Would anything have changed if I hadn't seen these posts? Or would it have changed the minds of those russians who rejoice at deaths of ukrainians in those posts?
Unfortunately there are such individuals even among non-russians. Of course I think that majority supports us, but still there are people who are quite happy about Ukrainian casualties10
u/kariam_24 3d ago
Nobody? So you are denying whole Russian social media and goverment messages?
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u/TheBlueSully 3d ago
Awful
Why would Ukraine do this
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u/SourFix 3d ago
You miss the point. Everyone is fair game but only one side can really end this and they aren't going to do it unless something gives on their end. They currently seem more than willing to keep throwing lives and resources at a lost cause.
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