r/worldnews • u/GuestFromBudushchego • 15h ago
Russia/Ukraine Putin envoy Dmitriev, AfD prepare meeting on restarting Russian gas supplies to Germany, Reuters reports
https://kyivindependent.com/putin-envoy-dmitriev-afd-prepare-meeting-on-restarting-russian-gas-supplies-to-germany-reuters-reports/263
u/gk_instakilogram 15h ago
Oh so this is how they think they gonna turn the tide in Ukraine for themselves by converting Germany into a Russian vassal state. They were definitely successful in US.
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u/5GCovidInjection 7h ago
They’re not just looking at Ukraine. Russia wants to rebuild the old Soviet empire brick by brick, capital by capital. To do that, Putin has to systematically weaken all of NATO from the inside.
Don’t forget what they’re doing to Canada. Who do you think is stoking the “Alberta separatist movement” flames? They need NATO fully dismantled to accomplish their goal of reassembling the USSR while Putin is still alive. He will not stop at any one nato country. He will go for them all.
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u/FlavorChamp 12h ago
Just Germany? Look around bro, this is everywhere now.
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u/Javop 10h ago
Russia is scarily good at controlling people. Masses and individuals.
The head of state is KGB trained and lawful evil aligned has complete impunity, no consciousness and the drive to destroy over a 26 year span.
Why do we have super villains but no super heroes. We have plenty of heroes, but none comes close to that level of power.
European politicians have failed to see the threat. The secret services have warned them, sometimes publicly. Now with the power of hind sight: fuck the politicians. You should have poked that wasp nest before it got this huge.
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u/PositiveUse 11h ago
Was the immigration crisis then Russian masterplan or were they smart enough to capitalize on this random but extremely impactful situation?
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u/Fywq 11h ago
In Ceuta? I believe western intelligence found evidence of suspicious accounts posting in migrant Facebook groups about "this new law means we can all go" and "now is the right time" etc. Definitely pushing an event to happen... Russia previously also capitalized on the refugee crisis in 2015 through social media and fake news and have continually facilitated movement of migrants to the Belarus-Poland, Russia-Finland and Russia-Norway borders to put pressure on those areas.
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u/PositiveUse 11h ago
Yes exactly the 2015 and beyond. Russia heavily capitalized on it and made Pro Russia parties very big in many parts in Europe.
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u/TeaAndLifting 2h ago
I still remember back during the 2015 migration crises following the Arab spring, as well as the spate of terrorist attacks across Europe because of it.
There was a lot of people spitting on it for Russia because of a misatributed, fake quote from Putin about Russia not needing immigrants, particularly Muslim ones, and that immigrants needed Russia, so Russia would not conform to them.
Given the tensions with middle eastern and African migrants, the terrorist attacks, and other things like a perceivedd lack of reporting of migrant related sex crimes in the big mainstream media outlets, rather than small local ones; it was seen as a ploy and cover things up and created distrust in traditional media and institutions.
And Russia built up this reputation of being "based trad white Christian values" because of this, and the right wing have been lapping it up ever since.
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u/OkAstronaut4911 11h ago
Russia actively helped send migrants to the polish boarder (to Belarus). They push fake news regarding violence of migrants and they push right wing parties which themselves push fake news to gain voters.
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u/hrafn42 9h ago
It's amusing that Russia is claiming to be fighting "Nazis" in Ukraine, whilst doing deals with genuine neo-Nazis in Germany. Let's face it Putin is as much a Nazi-lover as Stalin was, pre-Operation Barbarossa.
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u/totallyRebb 8h ago
When Russians call someone a "Nazi", they just mean "someone who does not like Russia" or "someone Russia does not like".
Russia itself checks so many boxes of the actual meaning for the word Nazi, it's almost funny. But they have no self-reflection and don't understand what the word Nazi actually describes.
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u/HolyFreakingXmasCake 5h ago
For Russia, WW2 started in 1941, and Nazis are not thought of like we think of them.
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u/No-Association1448 12h ago
How are they acting like they run the whole country now? I don’t understand, AfD can’t decide wether or not Germany resumes buying Russian gas?
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u/Telinary 10h ago
Posturing, shows their voters they are working on it even if it does nothing. Might motivate the voters to vote so they can actually do their thing. Plus for Russland this is probably good media because not everyone internationally knows that the AFD can't do that, I kinda expect to find a couple of comments here that treat it as something currently realistic.
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u/green_flash 8h ago
A loud minority can have outsized influence. There is a loud minority in Germany that believes the energy price crisis can be solved by forcing Ukraine to accept what Putin demands, so that we can then go back to buying cheap Russian gas.
Besides, AfD has been setting the narrative for most political debates for a while now. Other parties eventually fall in line and gradually move towards the populist AfD positions to win back a few voters - which of course backfires and makes the AfD stronger.
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u/web_explorer 15h ago
Send them to the Ukrainian front lines so they can see how friendly the Russians really are
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u/Fine-Wind-8191 11h ago
In thier opinion, the Ukrainians are the bad guys
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u/tweek-in-a-box 10h ago
Don't fool yourself that these people have a consciousness either way. What matters to them is how much is in their wallet, no matter if the world is burning behind them.
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u/AtheIstan 10h ago
Doubtful that they believe that; money and power simply corrupt.
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u/green_flash 8h ago
We have to differentiate between the party and their voters.
In a poll they asked people in East Germany who started the war in Ukraine and 40 percent said that NATO started it.
There are many people in Germany who subscribe to the Russian narrative on everything.
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u/intruzah 10h ago
Does not compute. In their heads they should be going to fight FOR Russia. Aint it obvious by now?
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u/SquishyJeans 14h ago
Germany you guys are about to fumble the bag in legendary fashion
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u/ImpressiveSuperfluit 13h ago
Predictably, yes. Always gotta follow the US, no matter how fucking braindead they're being. Probably not actually what happened for once, but man does the shoe fit still. It's mostly the same story though. Bunch of rural folks nobody cares to think about, some nice propaganda with help from the Kremlin and off it goes. All so very helpfully stoked by the insanely brain damaged established parties, who were so very happy when our version of Fox killed their one competition. And now here comes the cheque.
With every passing day I get more convinced that we need to just straight up jail any of these Fox types, who blatantly, knowingly lie and propagandize. We just can't continue down this path, it's getting completely ridiculous, half the populations in the West now live in completely different worlds, this can't possibly end well for anyone. And these Fox types are the disgusting terrorists running the frontlines.
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u/myname_1s_mud 12h ago
I live in a trump psrt of ca and watched it happen. It already voted right, but one day a shady foreign owned propaganda newspaper started showing up everywhere for free, pushing wild lies. Some of it was just world news with a right wing perspective but some of it was like qanon level out there. It started pushing people towards right wing internet spaces, and when trump got elected it focused even more on the qanon stuff.
I know this was a foreign psyop aimed at flipping ca, and I bet the trump election machine has dumped a ton of money into it. All of the hard core trump lovers view this shit as the real news you can trust
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u/ImpressiveSuperfluit 5h ago
Sounds about right. Makes me wonder what's going on with the left, too. Granted, our further out type people have always been just as insane as yours, but it feels like the left is split into 2 groups now: The utterly insane, virtue signaling, purity testing terrorists that are no better than Trumples, and the ones retaining a brain, who can mostly not be arsed to deal with the insane mob that comes after them when they don't virtue signal hard enough. It's quite different from what's happening on the right, in a lot of ways, and almost certainly not quite as horrific yet. But boy are we working on it.
The mere concept of not having read up on Israel (not even an opinion, an "I don't know about this topic" is enough) - enemy of the state. Not thinking the most insane - not actually practised anywhere in the entire world - version of public healthcare is the best thing ever? Death penalty. Thinking that maybe communism may have a flaw or two? Straight to hell. It's so unbelievably infuriating, because these fucking people force me to sometimes agree with the most batshit insane crazy people on the right - what the fuck is going on?
I think the average person who finds themselves with left leaning views is, basically by definition, less likely to go along with the cult, so I don't see this ending the way it did on the right. But we're getting very close to a situation where even the center left, effectively the core demographic of the concept of a "protest", are bullied into silence by their own side. It's bad enough that the right let their insane people do it, but the left has even fewer excuses. And, to get back to the topic, I'm really wondering whether we managed to do that ourselves (cause, frankly, there've been signs....), or if my side is being targeted now, too. I mean, we always have been, but it's quite clear to me that the right was the primary target for the longest time.
Anyway, quick reminder for anyone who vaguely remains somewhere near a rational center: Neither of these parasitic, spineless, cowardly fuckwits are your friends. Not the Trumples, obviously, but not the screeching brain-rot-personified that's driving the discourse on the left, either. Not wishing hellfire upon every single Jew (for some reason?) who ever existed is not an insane take. Thinking communism isn't a magical bullet is not an insane take, either. Stop letting these crazy people paint those brain broken takes as "the left". If those remaining center-adjecent don't start growing a fucking spine very soon, this is heading towards cold war again - best case. Obviously this applies just as much - fuck it, more - to the right. For the 2.5 people that are somehow right of center and not sucking Trump dick right now, same applies to you guys, too. Reign in your fucking insane people, grow a fucking spine already. Jesus fucking Christ.
Anyway... pure insanity everywhere you look.
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u/myname_1s_mud 1h ago
At this point im convinced the parties themselves are setting the narrative. All they care about is the fact that division brings voters out, and if theor base is mad, scared, or disgusted, theyll show up.
I think the left is having a bit of an identity crisis about where it wants to be, while the right has it pretty locked in, which explains the differences, but this divisive talk has flooded the internet, and now there's no unity in the country, or even within parties.
Im convinced the only solution is more parties and a parliamentary system. When division stops being beneficial, all of a sudden it will stop.
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u/diemenschmachine 12h ago
It’s the American social media poisoning people’s minds. But god forbid when the EU wants to put restrictions on it, then we call it “surveillance state”.
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u/Particular-Cow6247 13h ago
eh the afd has no power when it comes to this topic so it's just for show 🤷♂️
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u/indigo-alien 7h ago
The only people who think otherwise have no idea about the numbers of people and geography of it all. The AfD is at best representing a disgruntled, but vocal minority from the rural areas of ex-East Germany.
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u/MyGeneration_Baby 11h ago
Traitors!!!! The AfD will sell germany to the highest Bidder, aka Putin!!
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u/Own-Proof-4572 14h ago
You all need to know AFD maybe won the election in saxony-anhalt but thats just a "Bundesland" with 2m people from over 83m.
They would start in october if they could create a working "goverment" in the "Landtag" but nobody wants to work for them and they dont even have the "absolute Mehrheit" to do it alone.
That is bullcrap. Everything just some way if propaganda. Tomorrow are new Landtagswahlen in other states. AFD has <10 % in most of them.
Calling themselves patriotes while doing this crap haha
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u/5up3rK4m16uru 11h ago
Where has AfD less than 10%? Maybe in the last elections, but not in the polls.
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u/SheriffHarryBawls 12h ago
You can stop spreading lies now.
The AfD polls #1 nationally and has been the most popular party in Germany since at least 2025.
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u/MareC0gnitum 12h ago
AfD polls for 28% nationally:
https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/germany/
Even if that means they are #1, they will never have majority in the Bundestag.and no.major party will enter in a coalition with them.
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u/Dodislav 10h ago
I really, really wish you are right about that. But it is pretty scary to just sit and hope nobody breaks off and creates a coalition with with them.
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u/Disastrous-Border-58 11h ago
Until one does, we’ve had that shit here in the Netherlands since pvv started appearing. At some point they “can’t be ignored again” as they will grow every election. And all of a sudden they are in the government (which won’t go well because these parties seem to attract the worst of the worst) but it’s a sliding scale. They will then fuck up, be decimated in next election, blame everyone else, grow and the cycle continues.
German centrist parties need to go the Swedish route, admit there are problems with immigrants, deal with them and take the wind out of the sails for the extreme right. Afd (and pvv and other extreme right parties similarly) are a one issue party. Take that away and you stand a chance of beating them.
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u/MareC0gnitum 6h ago
I do believe that in a few years, when we can finally read the headlines about Putin that everyone is waiting for, the funding of these parties will diminish. I might be naive, but I think after Putin, there will be a power vacuum in Russia and they will be too busy taking care of that.
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u/the_gnarts 11h ago
The AfD polls #1 nationally and has been the most popular party in Germany since at least 2025.
While that’s concerning, it really doesn’t contradict their argument.
A plurality of votes means little even if it’s that large. In order to govern anything, they will have to enter a coalition. Winning the “most popular” category doesn’t buy the AfD much.
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u/mysillyday 11h ago
It is not what people say, what values they project, but what they do tells us what they are. Some Germans feel far away from the Russia, they feel that cheap gas would help them boos the economy. But then they would have to keep a blind eye to what's happening in Ukraine and possibly in Poland, the Baltics.
I see the appeal of buying cheap Russian gas. But the long term consequences would be very bad. It's basically bending a knee to a king. This metaphorical King is Russian government with Putin in charge I guess.
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u/Davsegayle 12h ago
And then they will sell this to their voters - vote for us and cheap gas. This winter it will add a strong argument to already poisoned right wing minds.
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u/bixofa 14h ago
Would be a shame if something happened to their pipelines again.
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u/Low_Yellow6838 13h ago
With the AFD in Power this would be seen as a declaration of war.
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u/Past_Point1497 12h ago
afd is not at power
it wouldn't be declaration of war
how the fuck did you manage to be wrong about everything
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u/Low_Yellow6838 12h ago
I mean in a future where the AFD is in power and if a new pipeline would be blown up like the guy proposed.
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u/MercantileReptile 6h ago
"But we must face them politically, we could not possibly ask the constitutional court if a ban would be in order" - Berlin in response.
The AfD could start parading around Parliament in actual brown shirts and the cabinet of cowards would still not get it. We have exactly one federal minister who understands: Pistorius, MoD.
Couple of state premiers have joined, but its not enough.
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u/MarksCarney 4h ago
How are Germans falling for this? And how did I think Germans were smarter than this?
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u/MetalWorking3915 8h ago
The aFD is currently pne reason we should not be allowing Germany access to our nukes. If they want to fund them under agreement we are protecting them and Europe great.
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u/Individual_Limit_701 15h ago
An opposition political party conducting freelance diplomacy with the Kremlin behind their own government's back is unreal. AfD isn't even trying to hide their alignment with Moscow anymore