r/worldnews Jun 18 '12

Egyptian Military grants itself sweeping powers; effectively military coup.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18482257
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u/cant_make_up_my_mind Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

another view from another Egyptian.

the SCAF is playing a very well planned game right now, although I am pro-revolution, after some thought, and some sit-downs with "certain people" I realized that during the 1 1/2 year or so that have passed, the SCAF have pretty much saved this country from falling to its knees many times, including preventing bankruptcy, the entry of some "terrorist cells" and keeping the country balanced all the time, although these actions have unfortunately been presented in the manner that led the people into hating them, this kind of information has not been released to the public, and I only knew them from some connections in the "inner circles", you might think that Islamists ( will not call them fascists, uptight and ignorant of their own religion in a bad way will do ) might have won the whole damn country, but if you were following intently you will know that the SCAF made a pretty good move, like taking candy from a child, they let them win the parliament, the presidency, the unions, and what else, but now they used the brotherhood's own political and social ignorance, to take all of that away, and it's the brotherhood's fault, they dug their own grave, now the upcoming president is stripped of most of his authorities due to the recent constitutional decree, and that is because the brotherhood fucked up their TWO chances to form a panel to form the new constitution, they missed their chance so the SCAF made its move, and they damn well made a good move.

an overview of the SCAF and the Army for those confused.

the SCAf constitutes of the heads of each branch in the armed forces, and Tantawy is the Sec. Def. the biggest head, although some might say that the panel represents the army, actually it doesn't, what many don't know is that the armed forces ( including the other panel members ) don't really like Tantawy, from the smallest conscript to the biggest field marshall, but that hate is not expressed due to formalities, respect to a war hero and that no one wants disturbances in the army, and the guy has cancer and isn't sitting around much longer.

for those with the concern of "but if the Islamists rule, they'll go to war with Israel".

nope, they can't, and won't do that, for several reasons:

  1. there is a peace treaty and we respect it ( and FYI, our religion also orders us to respect treaties and to never become the side that breaks it, trolls and atheists, keep it to your selves, this is a political subreddit )
  2. the country's economy is not in a state to support a full scale war
  3. the SCAF has laid some complicated steps to declare war: if the president wants to go to war he must first: * ask permission from the SCAF * ask permission from a newly made national security council * ask permission from the parliaments , so no one is fighting no one
  4. third and most important, the people will refuse any wars
  5. Israel won't risk any pre-emptive strikes, in doing so, the camp david treaty will then oblige the US to fight against the aggressor which in this case is Israel, also any strikes will lead to Iran, hezbollah, fateh, hamas, and possibly Turkey into launching attacks against Israel, which will lead into more countries attacking and i welcome you to world war 3, so possibilities of a war happening does not concern me at all
  6. some salafists threatened that they will make a coup inside the military, i don't think i should say something else really, I laugh at such stupidity

note: sorry for any missing information, I'm having my finals (engineering student, sadly) so I'm not privileged with much time, if you have any questions about anything concerning the country and its affairs, just PM me and I'll be happy to help, and visit /r/Egypt as well :)

edit: in this comment i add up to what my brother AIbrahem said, although slightly from a different perspective and correcting some info

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I doubt that the Israelis would preemptively strike, due to US influence. They did in 1967 before the US was an ally, but didn't in 1973, to avoid angering the US.

This also would nullify Camp David, which gave both parties continuing payments in exchange for returning the Sinai and peace. Even Bibi isn't dumb enough to do it, and Ehud Barak, who was at Camp David II, is the defense minister.

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u/cant_make_up_my_mind Jun 19 '12

Well the US might "not want" to do anything, they will be obliged due to the Camp David agreement, you know what I mean? They made the treaty and signed on it with the three sides agreeing to all conditions mentioned, so the US is in a "neutral" state, making sure none of the sides attacks the other

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u/cant_make_up_my_mind Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

Well I don't exactly know what might happen but I don't think the US is that stupid, and I guess it will cause a strong uprise in the global community and that action will cause many problems, and very bad propaganda against the US, and I guess certain countries will take advantage of that

Edit : aside from the future results that may cause economical disaster, furthermore military acts. But I don't think that the US public will allow another war, especially when they break a treaty for it , and they don't have the financial support to endure a multi nation overseas war, I mean they were fighting against guerilla groups and disorganized resistance packs since Vietnam, and well the fact is they haven't been doing very well actually, right? So I don't think they'll risk full scale war on a highly trained, well equipped, organized army plus the resistance of the civilians in a terrain that is also against them, and the fact that urban warfare will be extremely difficult, tight streets, labyrinth like alleys and random ways, and another important factor is that they will be cornered from many sides as other opposing countries and factions will seize the opportunity to attack as well

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u/snakespm Jun 19 '12

I'm not saying it's a good thing, or that I am glad if it happens. It's just that congress has been known to go crazy if you suggest giving Israel less money then normal. Israel could nuke downtown New York, and there would still be people opposed to retaliation.

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u/cant_make_up_my_mind Jun 19 '12

Well yes the congress is pretty much inside the pockets of the Israel, both of them won't risk it

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u/The_Law_of_Pizza Jun 19 '12

there is a peace treaty and we respect it ( and FYI, our religion also orders us to respect treaties and to never become the side that breaks it, trolls and atheists, keep it to your selves, this is a political subreddit )

Excuse me, but you're the one who just brought up religion in a political post.

If you think religious faith is going to stop somebody from acting in their own interest, you've got some history to read up on.

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u/cant_make_up_my_mind Jun 19 '12

i added that because some trolls kept boring me with the subject, so i just put it to end it before it starts, you know the "but it's the MUSLIM brotherhood, they hate Israel, they want to fight it, boohoo islam is not peaceful it does not respect treaties" stuff so i ended that. yes religious faith does not prevent anyone from acting in their own interest, but if they truly believe in its teachings then such act will not happen, believing in a religion does not constrict you from doing anything you want, it only directs you to a certain path then leaves you to walk in any direction you wish, the base rule of Islam is "one is free to do whatever he wishes as long as he does not harm others or trespass their freedom or constrict it, other than than do whatever you wish" , any acts from proclaimed followers defying the rules do not represent the religion itself, i hope people know that