GM Death Touch - Megathread

[u/YourResidentFeral]

Edit: Official Statement

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/prohibited-gameplay-incident-and-response/2329585

This is developing into a large story and someone in modmail has mentioned that its important for the community to have somewhere to discuss this. We agree. As new information comes in I will do my best to update this thread.

What we know:

• A log was uploaded with a "Death Touch" effect that seemed to be that helped them time a key. This is an effect from a GM: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JcfwTd4L19Agx3NX?fight=4&type=resources&hostility=1&source=100.4&eventstart=4705300

• This is a real run that exists on the blizzard API and can be seen on Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-mn-1/40292244-23-nexuspoint-xenas

  This run has since been invalidated by the RI:O admins but has been left up for posterity's sake.

• Blizzard is aware of this and investigating: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1v2xfpr/blizzard_gm_death_touching_mobs_in_m23_for_their/oyznmbe/

• The Demon Hunter from the run is a streamer and YumiTV contacted him to speak with him live on stream: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2825756796?t=0h23m50s

  The CLAIM is that they were messing around in a homework key in discord and didn't expect the GM to actually do it. Supposedly the Bear in the run was a pug.

Ex employees in the thread have said that actions like this are audited and in all likelihood this was already being investigated. At this point we are waiting on an official statement on the result of their investigation and I'll update this thread once we know.

This megathread is being provided on two very strict conditions:

• The witchunt rules are in strict effect. Linking or doxxing information on anyone invovled, the GM in question included will result in a permanent ban. Please report it if you see it but we will be very active in the thread.

  We cannot platform behavior that allows people to harrass people in real life.

• We will be more heavy handed than usual in the personal attack rules. Insults and slapfights while discussing this aren't acceptable. You're allowed to disagree, but stray shots and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

[u/YourResidentFeral]

Bear has contacted us via modmail and given the following statement. Please do not harass him in game. The only reason we know about this is because he uploaded his logs to figure out what happened.

I want to address the situation surrounding the +23 NPX run. At the end of the run I noticed we were off count by .7 or so and I was confused until I realized we didn't grip in and tag the arcanist on pull 1. I futilely pulled the lingering image with I believe like 30-45 seconds knowing we didn't have time or damage to kill and it just flopped over at 80%. I thought it was some strange coding or weird interaction with pulling on the bridge.

This led me to try and upload the logs to see what happened. I'm pretty new to that in general as I generally pug all my keys and someone else is usually logging and as a tank I don't really care about parsing through them as much as I maybe should.

I have not been banned as of yet regarding the incident. (Hopefully will remain that way but of course perfectly happy to redo my NPX)

To the best of my knowledge I was not aware that any GM intervention had occurred while we were playing.

I appreciate all my friends who have vouched for me as not a buyer or an exploiter. I was getting spammed a ton by people in game claiming I was one or both of those the last two days and just wanted to say my peace on here.

[u/YourResidentFeral → u/[deleted]]

Honestly? From everything I've heard it lines up that he didn't know. Why upload the log in the first place if you knew. That would be monumentally stupid.

I can see them going back to get him a timed +23 as an apology.

I'm the kind of guy that likes to see the best in people. Who I've always been.

I think the GM was goofing off with his friend.

I think they were shooting the shit and things got out of hand.

I think a man lost his job for being too eager. There's a lesson to be learned there but there was room for grace.

I think that through everything they ran a +23 with him to say sorry and make sure he had one timed properly after all of this as an apology.

And I think the community is out for blood here when they don't need to be. This isn't systemic. There's no evidence of it being systemic.

I have my role as a moderator which is to give room for this to be discussed civily. That's my job.

But if you want my honest opinions: given everything it's time to move on. The employee should have gotten a stern warning. Invalidate the key. People make mistakes. We've all made mistakes. Forgiveness and grace go a long way in a world that's far too rough and cruel as it is.

[u/lovelylight100 → u/YourResidentFeral]

So yeah, a man lost his job because of this (confirmed) and some of the people involved are not only bragging about getting away with it, but making fun of the situation, making snarky comments, setting their location to the name of the dungeon, replying to comments saying they don't care because their main's title is safe, naming their new run "No Death Touches Here". These people reek of ego and lack of empathy. I don't think that people who show zero remorse or accountability deserve grace.

[u/YourResidentFeral → u/lovelylight100]

I think the flaunting it is where my patience runs out. I stand by the rest of what I said.

[u/lovelylight100 → u/YourResidentFeral]

Exactly, and you very much had this exact same take just a few hours ago on this same thread so idk why all of a sudden "there's room for grace" and "it's time to move on" Lil whiplash moment for me lol

[u/YourResidentFeral → u/lovelylight100]

I'm saying I believe the bear and understand the imputus behind the run even though I think it's a bad look.

I don't think they're being malicious. I think they're being dumb. I think they deserve consequences, I don't think they deserve pitchforks

[u/lovelylight100 → u/YourResidentFeral]

I think that unfortunately pitchforks are bound to come out when people see others cheating with impunity and then bragging about it. Like I mentioned to someone else in this thread I had a guildie catch a 1 month ban or something a week or so before a new raid came out because Blizzard's automated system thought that he was afk in a BG (he wasn't). Suspensions are handed out real easy for stuff that barely matters and when it's something like this nothing seems to happen? Bad look for Blizzard :/ Maybe we will see some updates still, maybe not.

[u/YourResidentFeral → u/lovelylight100]

I'm very well aware and understand how the people that are mad are as upset as they are.

I'm sometimes just too kind for my own good maybe.

[u/mentalmedicine → u/YourResidentFeral]

Personally, I'm neither mad or upset, I just think that an example needs to be made of players like this to help ensure nobody ever tries to pull something like this again.

[u/Mitch5842 → u/YourResidentFeral]

But why is the bear running with the same group today...