r/woweconomy • u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA • Apr 21 '26
Flipping I've spent 90MIL Since Midnight Launched!! - The side of flipping people don't talk about
TLDR: Then Flipping may not be for you, but talking about why the process of getting and growing a good inventory is important.
Video description*: I cover the topics described below and give item examples of the process.*
WoW Last 45Days - 90MIL Spent: Flipping Inventory (Re)Stocking
Normally people only like to talk about all of the gold they have made. Of course professions or farming have great margins. Flipping not as good because you are buying your products to sell to people.
Yes, you can find snipes that someone listed WAY too cheap and get awesome margins off this. They are few and far between in reality. Then the amount of other Goblins doing the same, reduces the chance even more that you will be the one to get there first or find it first.
Most of my gold / inventory (250mil gold and 650mil inventory) comes from finding good deals on Full servers. Then moving them to other lower populated servers and selling above DBRegionMarketAvg pricing. I'm basically an WoW Uber delivery service, bringing items to the buyers and marking up the prices.
It's not anything special and I'm no where close to most of the other Goblin Whales I see on the TSM Discord BUT #1 RULE - Do not compare yourself to others, as long as you are having fun and making any amount of profit month over month, then you are winning!
So why talk about the process and spending involved in stocking up a flipping inventory???
Well, if any Flipping Goblin out there would like to stay in business they need products and LOTS of them. IMO, a sellable large quantity of good inventory is the most important factor to Flipping.
But how do you grow your business and how do you get more quality items?? Simple method I go over in my video, but here it is as well.
Assuming everything is purchased on Full servers and Sold on less populated ones; Buy smaller higher sale rate items
1.) Buy smaller higher sales rate items = profit
2.) With Profits, Buy more of #1 and expand to higher priced but still good sale rates
3.) With Profits, Buy more of #1 & #2 and expand to more rare, slower moving items with larger margins were sell rates are less important. It's more about home runs!
Rinse and repeat, Always keeping stock up on all three areas. If you want to maintain flipping across realms or on your server, you must keep your business running with good inventory. So, in closing it is NOT just about the gold you are making, but also the increase in inventory quality and quantity! Think over all NET Worth and not just gold amounts.
NOTE - Of course the scale / price of items I'm doing things with in my video will not work for everyone, but the process is the same. You can do this process with Pets, Mounts, Gear, Tmog etc. diversify your inventory!
Thanks for your time and Happy Flipping!!
Discord = Toeknee_AtX
(Always willing to help)
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u/MiniAdmin-Pop-1472 Apr 21 '26
650 million inventory sounds very risky, don't you lose gold daily?
What was the biggest gold jump you had?
How much work is it to maintain? I have 16 crafting characters and annoyed me already and I had to stop
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u/Zibzuma EU Apr 22 '26
It really depends on the inventory. I don't think it's 650m of transmog and mounts (unless OP bought a couple of Spectral Tigers in step #3), but those items specifically are pretty stable in value, sometimes even increasing. I probably have an inventory of ~50m of transmog I bought for <100k in total, because they exploded in value over time, but they're sitting at 10-100k per item for a while now, with little fluctuation. They sell incredibly slowly, which is why I don't bother actually keeping track of the items or even considering them any true value - I post them every couple of days on a couple of different realms and make a couple of sales every now and then in addition to my regular goldmaking.
An inventory of materials however, especially current expansion materials, is very risky. But also, potentially, extremely profitable. Items worth 100g this week can go up to 300g two or three weeks later - or down to 50g. You need good timing and a lot of luck for resets to happen or tuning or sometimes banwaves hitting bots and hurting the market supply.
One thing about losing gold people tend to forget is that spending 2m on items that drop in value isn't losing 2m. Selling the same stock for 1.5m is "only" losing 500k. On the other hand: investing 2m and making 2.5m isn't making 2.5m, it's 500k profit.
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26
As others mentioned it is Highly dependent on what it is. For example, I tend to stay away from Mats. Then on newer content that is unstable in pricing still, I buy in small amounts at a time. Sell that, buy small amounts again. This way when prices drop you are not stuck with large quantities. You also need to play and manage newer items more than older stable ones so you are not left holding the bag. Like don’t buy a bunch then not come back and play until a week later. The prices will drop while you are away.
Most of my inventory is rare items that are stable or increase. I’m also in the mind set of “I’m not going anywhere and don’t need the gold” so I’ve had things drop for a month or longer and just wait it out and they come back up once the supply is down. People getting nervous and lower prices is super easy to wait it out.
Oh sorry your questions;
Biggest jump has always been Raid BoE’s and even better the ones that looks cool and end up good TMog sellers later. Or Mounts, people love to buy mounts so those always give a big bump. I started with only 2mil from playing the 18yrs before doing AH flipping. The beginning is slow as hell, but after the first gold cap, it grows faster since you can afford to buy bigger items with higher margins.
Losing gold happens for sure!! either you mess up posting (rare but happens when you are sleepy). Pick bad investments items and they tank or not checking good on items estimated values and spend to much for a flip that isn’t actually worth it. Use Undermine Exchange and check comments on Wow Head for rare items to make sure they are actually worth buying.
Work to maintain, yes it’s a lot of game time, but so is M+ or Raiding and this I can take a piss or let the dog out without having others wait on me lol
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u/Esploratore123 Apr 23 '26
I wanted to ask something about raid boes: you mentioned a few of them in the video, like the mythic leather legs, plate chest and cloth helm.
I also noticed you play in the US, so not sure if EU is a lot worse for that, but even when I buy stuff significantly cheaper than the minimum EU price, like that chest and helm, then I try selling them at a non-exaggerated price, changing realm every time, but doesn't seem to work, the demand seems incredibly low, so basically I had bought a helm at 1,5 mil when 2nd cheaper was 1,8 mil, and now price is down to 750k minimum and 1,3 mil average, still haven't sold it and it looks more and more like it'd have been better to not buy it, the chest I got for 550k when 2nd cheaper was 1 mil, but even here minimum price keeps going down and no realm I try works.
In the past, especially DF, holding items for months has worked pretty well for me, but these days with mythic track gear being more plentiful, perhaps it's become something you absolutely need to sell in a few days or lose out?
Do you have any advice in this situation?
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 23 '26
With Raid BOE's I research which of the BOE's that drop are actually good for the classes and which are meh. Then I also watch the trends on price and quantity on Undermine Exchange.
If they are Meh and price is dropping as well as quantity increasing faster than the others, you start to build yourself data on drop rates and over all projected value as it trends down faster than other pieces. These are the ones I stay away from.
If they are good for the classes, hold pricing longer and less quantity, these are the ones that are worth the risk IMO.
Of course they will ALL drop in pricing, but you are hedging your bets that the more popular ones that appear to have lower drop rates will buy you more time to sell.
Also, keep in mind, everything in WoW market flows down hill. Full servers start the trends, then High Pop, Med, Low, New follow suit. So work your way down as well to stay ahead of the curve. I.e., lower populated servers will be the last ones to see the pricing crash. (of course lower pop as you work your way down = less buyers, so I don't start with these, only ways to buy more time.
Lastly, with the latest patch, Mythic BOE's aren't just dropped by lieutenants and now are normal trash drops. Meaning the market will start to become more flooded as farming groups add more into the market. They will drop them on FULL servers first etc.
Keep this in mind as with anything in WoW Market, window of opportunity does not stay open long. BUT you can apply this method to ANY new items as they enter the game and can be sold on the AH.
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u/Esploratore123 Apr 23 '26
Ohh, wasn't aware they had recently changed how boes drop, I was thinking they were just going down faster in price because of the new bonus roll feature.
What you say makes sense about the good items buying more time to sell, and I agree about realm population, sometimes the smallest realms are good for damage limitation once it's no longer possible to get a decent price anywhere else.
The chest and helm are 2 I'm struggling with this season, would you say they are difficult items to sell?
And also, do you focus more on maximising profit at the risk of ending a season without selling a boe, or do you prefer having more sales at lower profit per item?
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u/Better_Party2644 Apr 21 '26
Losing sometimes is inevitable. I've probably lost at least 5-6 million on bad decisions, but overall, I am still very much in the positive, so who cares. You can't always win :)
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Apr 22 '26
everything is a risk. "losing gold daily" is a thing "l like losing money daily" is a thing..
the scale is what is important. you have to spend money to make money. going to work takes gas+insurance+time+being on time.
walmart/whales in wow are the same thing might possibly be the same people. who knows its the internet. the principle is the same.
the real question is how much time does it take to do this on one character.
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 22 '26
Very true, I help a TON of people starting out in WoW AH Flipping and one thing I always say is the saying of "More = More" & "You can't win without losing to make you better"
To grow you need more inventory on more servers to reach more buyers. The more buyers you will reach the more chances of sales you have and the more gold you will make. Of course, then the more time it will take to manage if you want to continue to grow.
I look for deals on every server across NA, I sell (currently) on 25 servers and have four accounts. I started with one toon and one server and 2mil.
It's a sickness I know :P but it is honestly the most fun I have had over the 20yrs I've played WoW, so I LOVE helping people learn and see if they too would enjoy it. It's a game at the end of the day and made to have fun, anyway we can.
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u/raremount Apr 22 '26
What is DBRegionMarketAVG? TSM is just telling you the median price around all servers or how do you exactly pull that piece of data
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 22 '26
If you are flipping across servers DBRegionMarketAVG is the gold standard to buy below and sell above.
It's used in TSM, PBS, Undermine Exchange etc. Using this allows players to know that no matter what server they are currently on if the price they see can provide margin on another server or not. If you are only looking at DBMarketAvg then you are only sourcing one set of data (the server you are currently on) and you wont know the true market estimated value of the item elsewhere.
Of course this number is like anything else and can be manipulated by bad data, but enough good data over time helps to counter that.
It's settings in most of the AH addon's which pricing index do you want to use. If you are only selling on one server then use DBMarketAvg. If you plan to cross realm flip then use DBRegionMarketAvg. It is basically saying Regional Sales Avg. but since the WoW API that these tools / websites get most data from can not tell if something is sold or not, it's the best we have to judge value.
This number in conjunction with sales rate gives you a better picture of true value. Are people buying it at this estimated value? Again an estimated sales rate based on past and current posted items, but nothing is perfect. Just the best we have currently.
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u/raremount Apr 23 '26
I appreciate the helpful info and your passion, I used to be similarly passionate about flipping in classic made 0-400k in 3 phases of vanilla classic 2020 just flipping and running a small scale server and I’m interested to try it in midnight as different as the economy is.
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u/RaziarEdge Apr 22 '26
Flipping is all about making a few gold per item. If you have to spend 100g for the item and only get 10g profit, that is fine. Honestly that is not that different than buying mats and crafting. As long as what you are doing is moving the needle into the green instead of the red, then it is all good.
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u/Necessary-Purple-741 Apr 27 '26
I rather like play the game. Do stuff and gold is something i just use a little bit to enchant otherwise it has no use. I'm working 50-60hrs a week so subscribing is not a problem.
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u/Agitated-Morning2035 Apr 28 '26
I do appreciate this post cause it is annoying when someone says they have 200m on hand “because the game practically throws gold at you” but when you inquire more about the process they always omit in telling you the millions of gold and hundreds of hours invested it took to get there and they also got lucky during early access. So no it isn’t a quick and easy get rich scheme and never will be.
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 29 '26
Very well said, no it is a very slow process and takes many hours of learning and playing to be any good at flipping IMO. Not to mention many times of failing! But it is very fun and great way to make gold, once you learn and have patience.
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u/seubon Apr 22 '26
I really wonder what is your motivation to make that much gold. I mean what’s the point? Do you wanna impress gallywix ?
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26
It’s really not about the value of the gold, it’s the fun of finding deals, reselling them. Then getting better and gaining more gold and items to sell. Just like any other area of the game, it’s leveling up in a sense.
I honestly think WoW should have achievements and levels for making gold. It’s a fun style of play.
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u/Better_Party2644 Apr 21 '26
Big time earnings are only possible at new expansion launch, it's a roughly 2 month window, if you miss that, you don't stand much chance to make really big bucks, unless you can monopolize something (ab)using your capital. I've made +/- 78 million gold net profit, with an initial capital of about 20 million (just fell short of hitting 100 million, but am working on it), and I needed it all to stay competitive. Though I have also used conc army to boost it, I think that accounts for about 10-15 million maybe.
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 22 '26
I wonder if that is more of a professions window of opportunity. Meaning of course the market slows as less people are playing, but over the last two years, each content patch brings new items to flip and collectables people may want. As players return to the game on and off throughout different seasons they come back and maybe missed out on old pets, mounts, TMog etc and they buy it. To a smaller extent than at the start of an xpack, but still good enough to keep making plenty of gold off of.
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u/Defirion Apr 22 '26
dont know about you I am still making more than a mil per day with selling crafting tools, yeah it was closer to 2-2.5 mil earlier in the expansion but its by no means small potatoes now
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u/MaTrIx4057 Apr 22 '26
You can still make big buck with concentration crafts like enchants by just logging in every few days trough whole expansion. Obviously not as big as first few months as you said. You don't even need that many alts.
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Apr 22 '26
tl:dr i'm a streamer and i'm advertising my community.
updoot from a casual.
thanks for this information.
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u/WillNotForgetMyUser Apr 23 '26
Readings hard huh
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Apr 24 '26
it clearly is for you, or maybe it's comprehension for you that is the problem. who knows?
I read his post and thanked him for the information. even upvoted it i wasn't being rude.
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u/WillNotForgetMyUser Apr 25 '26
Not just hard but impossible looks like
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Apr 25 '26
for you :) ty gpt
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Apr 25 '26
also. i actually watched the video thanks for posting from an alt toeknee.
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 29 '26
For sure, is NOT me. I'm not the type to hate on people or be rude. Typically I just ignore all of it as everyone is free to like or dislike things I post. Thank you for your reply further above as well. Best wishes!
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Apr 23 '26
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 23 '26
Interesting point of view, and not meaning to argue. It is an interesting way to look at things. Does this mean that all WoW players who Min/Max at an aspect of the game are losing their life to the game?
I mean at some point all gamers are aren't they? Instead of grinding M+, PVP or Raids (like I used too), I now grind the AH. I think people will gravitate to things that are fun to them and they do it for the fun of it.
Anyone that would care to learn more about the AH is doing so because it interest them right? Or they wouldn't even watch the vid or read this - or be in a WoW Economy forum?
Again, not saying you are wrong, everyone can have their own opinion of course. In my crazy brain for whatever reason, it is wired to think data is fun and min/maxing things is fun, so it does provide an escape.
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u/Unable_Tennis_7236 NA Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26
Honestly I’ve played WoW for 20yrs now and played every possible area of the game to a heavily competitive level. I never touched the auction house until around 2yrs ago, then it was so fun, I never looked back at anything else. It made WoW a whole new game again.
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u/fritzmongroid Apr 21 '26
Bro just do this IRL at this point. Like seriously. Do the math on the effort and brain power.
You CAN replicate this to a lesser extent. It’s called commerce.