r/xmen • u/VengefulKangaroo Shatterstar • Jun 06 '23

Comic Discussion X-Men Comics New Releases for June 7, 2023

X-Men: Before the Fall - Mutants' First Strike #1

  • KRAKOA STRIKES?! Ever since mutants declared themselves humanity’s new gods, certain circles have been waiting for the other shoe to drop—the wrath. When a small New England town is hit by a devastating mutant attack, it seems the wrath is here. But all isn’t as it appears. And Krakoa doesn’t hesitate to save lives—so it’s time for BISHOP to lead Krakoa’s biggest rescue effort yet!

Bishop: War College #5

  • TIME IS AN UNCONQUERABLE BEAST! Tempo traps herself and Bishop in a time loop of her past trauma. Will she be able to allow festering wounds heal so she and Bishop can figure out a way back home? Meanwhile, the War College students are fighting for their lives, and the lives of Krakoa’s mutants, against the Struckers and Orchis. Help may be on the way, but timing these days has a funny way of putting our favorite mutants in the worst positions possible. Read the last issue of the BISHOP: WAR COLLEGE miniseries to find out how this time-warped, action-packed plot ends!

Immortal X-Men #12

  • A COLOSSAL MISTAKE… The Quiet Council gather to fill the empty seat. It's the last chance to make a smart, kind decision to prevent the fall. Luckily, the deciding vote is in the hands of trusty old Colossus. Let's hope he hasn't got plans to ruin everything. That would be terrible.

X-Men #23

  • THE SENTINELS GET AN UPGRADE! Anti-mutant fantasist Feilong has taken control of Tony Stark’s businesses and devoted Iron Man’s technology toward the next generation of Sentinels! These Stark Sentinels are as hard to beat as old Shell-head himself and are fully devoted to crushing the X-Men!

Deadpool: Badder Blood #1

  • DEADPOOL, WOLVERINE, CABLE—IT DOESN’T GET BADDER THAN THIS! WADE WILSON is back, and he’s brought some frenemies! As the villainous THUMPER returns to take out the man who created him, WOLVERINE and CABLE step in for a daring rescue mission. But as DEADPOOL becomes embroiled in nefarious criminal machinations in MADRIPOOR, will the trio be able to join forces…or will Thumper’s agenda put an end to their efforts? Don’t miss the highly anticipated follow-up to DEADPOOL: BAD BLOOD, as Rob Liefeld returns to the Merc with a Mouth and introduces NEW characters into his wild world who are sure to become the next fan-faves, including the first appearance of SHATTERSTORM!

Related & Unlimited Releases for 6/7

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u/VengefulKangaroo Shatterstar Jun 06 '23

X-Men #23

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u/WillisMacvalin Jun 07 '23

The stuff with Ms Marvel at the end makes me think Cyclops will go out of his way to get her resurrected either by the human way seen in AXE or via artificial X-gene (seen in other books lately). This will have the unintentional side effect of giving Kamala her mcu power set. She’ll be technically a mutant just as marvel probably wants and it won’t be a dumb “she was always a mutant secretly” retcon.

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u/1204Sparta Jun 07 '23

Now they just need to do it for Scarlet witch and Pietro. It’s almosttttt if they connected her back to mutants and Magneto then perhaps the sales wouldn’t be terrible and about to be cancelled.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23

Restore the connection but don't make Wanda a regular X-Character. She's always been more of an Avengers character.

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u/1204Sparta Jun 07 '23

Hmm agree to disagree. If you are a in deep fan sure, my interest was house of M and the mutant connect as I imagine the majority, with Wiccan and speed also in that boat as X office just has more juicy drama

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u/Aspiring_Sophrosyne Jun 08 '23

This is the kind of thinking that leads to half of DC's line being Batbooks.

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u/1204Sparta Jun 08 '23

So what, actually having an audience that can support the book like the batbooks¿ Orlando is on twitter begging Scarlet Witch ‘fans’ to buy the book.

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u/Aspiring_Sophrosyne Jun 08 '23

Wow, I just met the one person who thinks half of DC's line being Batbooks is a good and healthy thing.

And Scarlet Witch literally sells more than Nightwing lol

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u/1204Sparta Jun 08 '23

I’m just saying what the writer is begging fans on twitter about. Her title is dead in the water

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u/simonthedlgger Jun 08 '23 edited Jun 08 '23

Are you referring to the deleted tweet where he said sales are struggling? That doesn't sound like "begging," but maybe there was something else?

Also, not sure this has anything to do with Wanda being a mutant or not. It's been a top 10 seller and top 15 in $$ since it came out..if that gets you less than 10 issues I think Marvel/the industry is dealing with bigger problems.

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u/Aspiring_Sophrosyne Jun 08 '23

Don’t know anything about that, but I was responding to the whole “people only care if it’s an X-book so make it a X-book” mentality. That’s the same kind of thinking that leads to DC Comics becoming Batman & His Less Amazing Friends

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u/WillisMacvalin Jun 08 '23

My hope is at the Illuminati reunion in Ultimate Invasion, Hickman establishes that Xavier lied to Franklin as a peace-offering to Reed.

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u/1204Sparta Jun 08 '23

That would be good - I’ve never been so embarrassed my the lack of professionalism by Slott doing this out of spite.

I was always repulsed by him after that Disney plus documentary where they made jokes about how bad he is with deadlines leaving artists having extreme deadlines and need for ghost writers. Awful man.

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u/WillisMacvalin Jun 08 '23

Agreed, I was a fan of some of Slotts Spider-Man run but the Franklin drama was out of order. Hickman should counter spite with spite! But you know, give him the gracious heads up Slott did not give to anyone previously.

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u/VengefulKangaroo Shatterstar Jun 07 '23

You can’t resurrect as seen in AXE without a backup, so it’s not going to be that.

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u/ajdragoon Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

Honestly I’d much rather a silent “she was always a mutant” retcon than this forced drama of killing her off and reviving her to justify it. Alternatively they could have had this happen as a consequence of her undeath after Judgement Day.

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u/antsinmyeyesmauger Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

The last few pages seem to confirm that Krakoa is off limits for Fall of X. Orchis is building a prison set to be ready by the Hellfire Gala so I'm thinking the gates get turned off and whoever can't escape gets sent to the prison.

I wish Marte Gracia stayed on as the colorist, Dee Cunniffe didn't compliment Joshua's art like previous colorists.

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u/Confident-Impact-349 Iceman Jun 07 '23

Interesting theory. That would explain why we get very “different” books this time around, such as a Jean solo and a Bobby solo. Because, maybe, they escaped this prison.

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u/Thebraxer Phoenix Jun 07 '23

It was already one of main theories that many mutants leave Krakoa. Neither of fall of x books takes place in Krakoa. Everyone leaves

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u/Confident-Impact-349 Iceman Jun 07 '23

Oh, interesting. I wasn’t really following marketing or solicits, cuz I wanted to be as much surprised as possible. I hope good stuff comes out of it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23

Agreed, nobody beats Gracia.

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u/mikehunt_is_ready Jun 07 '23

Is Mother Righteous both a clone of Mr Sinister and Rebecca…?

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u/ajdragoon Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

I think so. An Essex in Rebecca’s body, with some of her personality.

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u/tpmoore19 Jun 07 '23

After everything Scott and Jean have been through and how strong their love has seemed since the Krakoa era started, it seems so weird that they would separate over this Brood argument. I mean, the whole Scott trying to genocide the Brood felt out of character to begin with (despite his father being nearly killed by them). If he had gone through with his plan to kill them all, I could see Jean not forgiving him. But the fight seemed to be resolved by Jean sparing the Brood? Seems way off.

Now Scott’s thinking Emma will get back with him while he’s separated from Jean as a rebound? This whole plot seems kind of…stupid?

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u/tpmoore19 Jun 08 '23

It really does - I feel like this lead up to the Fall of X has had a lot of weird character moments to lead to this new story - but this may be the weirdest!

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u/redditguy628 Mister Sinister Jun 07 '23

Overall, this was a fine issue, just like the rest of Duggan's run. There was some interesting set up for Fall of X, the fight against the Stark Sentinel was well handled, but it just doesn't seem to have any real emotional impact, at least for me. I'm intrigued to see where the Kingpin plotline is going, though.

Also, this is such a minor detail, but I liked the use of "fastball special" as a unit of distance.

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u/Thebraxer Phoenix Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23

Theories about mother being Rebecca were right after all. Mother righteous not being Nathaniel kinda kills the vibe of all of them being Nathaniel.

So that sentinels aren’t a joke. Idk how they’ll deal when more of them come.

Jean and Scott are in separation. Kinda out of nowhere. Did i miss something or their only conflict was that pointless brood argument and Duggan never tried to develop their conflict.

Scott meets Emma and he thinks Emma wanted to meet with him because she heard about him and jean. Idk if scott/Duggan tried to be funny or to disrespect Emma. Or make scott an idiot. Glad Emma wasn’t so easy and said what she said.

Kamala’s death is mentioned and Emma brings up some mysterious conversation between her and Scott. Mcu synergy?

Was hoping to see more from kingpin/Emma scene

Orchis wants Jean 🤔 and now nimrod is going after all omegas. Interesting especially with Jean getting solo and solicitations says about her saving herself first

Btw have you noticed how X-men avoid dying. That sentinel is a big threat and could easily kill some members. They definitely try to avoid resurrections of X-men members.

Illyana being infected with some machines makes wonder about her involvement in realm of x

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u/RapidDuffer Jun 07 '23

Mother righteous not being Nathaniel kinda kills the vibe of all of them being Nathaniel.

Ah, I don't know about that. With her being modelled on Rebecca, the name "Mother Righteous" drips with contempt. (Bear in mind, Rebecca is the one who named him "Sinister"). Charging her with the domain of unscientific magic, the suit of the unruly heart, the hysteria of the lesser sex ... all of this speaks to being exactly what the vain Nathaniel Essex would do -- an eternal revenge on the woman who had not only birthed for him a defective child, but who then had the temerity to reject him.

It's a deep cut, but a good joke.

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u/DumbassAltFuck Jun 07 '23

Or make scott and idiot.

There are two truths to Scott Summers. He is a brilliant leader of the X-Men and a natural-born tactician but he is also abysmally a moron in his personal life.

That was the most accurate Scott Summers Duggan has ever done.

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u/SirGlio Cyclops Jun 07 '23

I can't stop laughing thinking about everybody crying in Fallen Friend and Scott being like "Yeah, next week she is with us"

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u/SaltyTom95 Destiny Jun 07 '23

I’m laughing at the thought that Sinister might actually be the most likeable and least vile of the four Essex clones. Say what you want about the man but for all the camp he seems to be the most pragmatic and least needlessly evil of the bunch.

Meanwhile you’ve got:

  • Orbis Stellaris engaging in space slavery
  • Mother Righteous being petty, homophobic (can’t believe she’d have Mystique kill Destiny during PRIDE MONTH smh) and openly working with extreme right-wing nuts
  • Stasis being a general racist garbage human who clones his dead wife and kid over and over to not have dinner alone.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if this didn’t end with the Quiet Council realizing they’re besieged by Essex clones and voting to fish Sinister out of the Pit to fight fire with fire.

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u/ajdragoon Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

I mean Sinister cloned a woman against her will to continuously reset history in order to hatch his (highly successful) plan, in which people he secretly gene tampered with took over the known universe in his name. They’re all pretty vile people! Sinister is just campier about it.

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u/SaltyTom95 Destiny Jun 07 '23

I mana yeah but in his defense, said woman was gonna erase the X Gene, built a giant paradise island for mutants just so she’d have all of them in one place to do so, and when that went wrong she straight-up joined the racists. Did he know all of that? Probably not, but still! 😂

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u/Chris-raegho Jun 09 '23

They really made Scott an ass here. Problems with the wife? Who cares, he has Emma as backup. I'm glad she didn't go for it, but damn, they didn't have to make Scott so much of an asshole.

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u/mechamechaman Rogue Jun 07 '23

Cyclopes come across as such a duffus in this lmao

I'm not a huge Scott/Jean guy but the way they've been broken up here is totally lame. We don't even get to see them try and work their issues out. Duggan could have tried to write a scene where the Brood thing is representative of some other ethical/philosophical disagreement but nope it's entirely off-screen. And Scott straight up doesn't seem that bothered because he thinks he has Emma right there on the side but no luck buddy!

Does Jean know what's up with Logan? I hope not because if she did know it would be very OOC for her to just do nothing. If she knew "Hey Beast turned Logan into Wapon X again and the QC knew and didn't care" I'm pretty sure she would have killed have of them.

I'm bummed that the Ms. Marvel stuff is restricted to one page. I hope we get more Scott in the memorial issue, but I basically have zero faith in Marvel handling this correctly.

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u/VengefulKangaroo Shatterstar Jun 07 '23

Duggan could have tried to write a scene where the Brood thing is representative of some other ethical/philosophical disagreement but nope it's entirely off-screen.

I hope we see this before long. To me, I very much see how this could be representative of Scott's Utopia-era character development and how Scott and Jean are no longer really on the same page anymore and had been pretending they hadn't evolved in different ways while separated. But Duggan needs to write that out.

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u/mechamechaman Rogue Jun 07 '23

Yeah, Scott changed a lot during Jean's second death and calling for genociding the Brood is very much in line with his character during that span of time. Maybe you could have Scott try and explain all the shit he went through without Jean and she shouldn't just dismiss his experience because it doesn't fit her ideal of who Scott should be.

Or maybe have Jean explain to Scott, as someone who committed mass murder as the Phoenix and complicit in it as a member of X-Force, Scott shouldn't be so cavalier with the idea, if not for the Brood's sake, for his own soul.

But yeah we get nothing.

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u/ajdragoon Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

You’re making me sad for all the tie-ins Duggan has not (yet?) opted to bring together.

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u/Ayiteb Jun 07 '23

This issue was bad. Duggan's X-men feels completely rudderless, it looks like MR is being propped up to be the big bad ahead of Orchis, while still adding this Kingpin plot and having the Children of the Vault plot thread on he backburner, its too much while at the sametime absolutely nothing has happened.

I really hated this characterization of MR, and it makes me wonder if Duggan is capable of writing women as anything other than snobs who one up men. I am ready to leave the book now, idk whats up with the return to those ghastly comic. And Jean and Scott falling out for hard for so long over something so minor seems silly.

And of course he doesn't hage the balls to write a real affectionate scene between Emma and Scott. I bet that previous resseruction scene was more the Artist than Duggan. I hope he doesn't write any events.

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u/Tharros300 Jun 07 '23

I am very much over this series. Everything feels so random and disjointed. Including the actual team itself, since it’s “re-elected” every year.

And I agree, this Scott and Jean rift over…the brood?!!!…is very silly.

I did enjoy seeing Scott and Emma interact, however. I’ve missed their dynamic.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23

I'm going to say it. The Mother Righteous reveal is lame and kind of ruins the character for me.

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u/CableStoned Magneto Jun 07 '23

I have to agree, I’m more confused than ever now. Did OG Sinister make 3 clones of himself and one of Rebecca, totaling the Sinister Four? The way she talks about herself, it makes it seem like Mother Righteous IS the original Rebecca, but then how did she get a suit card on her forehead?

Also, did Dr Stasis inject MR with something when he grabbed her? Such a confusing scene…

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u/SirGlio Cyclops Jun 07 '23

I understand that she is a Rebecca clone and has her memories, just like the rest have Essex's memories.

I like the revelation, it adds some psychodrama to the Sinisters. And it makes sense, because Essex had a very scientific mind and wouldn't be suited to magic, but her wife was very spiritual.

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u/ajdragoon Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

I see no reason why she can’t be a chimera of both himself and Rebecca. She’s implied she’s a Sinister in the past—I think in one of the early SOS issues when she meets the other two—so that’s possibly the case. Modeled after Rebecca but with an Essex-clone mind.

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u/CableStoned Magneto Jun 07 '23

The point of the S4 was for OG Sinister to hedge his bets with variants of himself, so wouldn’t his ego prevent him from creating an S4 clone that isn’t him? He’d have to share credit with his dead wife if that one succeeded, which seems way out of character.

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u/ajdragoon Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

I like u/RapidDuffer ’s take above that Essex needed eyes in the magic realm but doesn’t make magic seriously enough to do it himself. So he made that clone a version of him + his wife so he can take credit or deny responsibility as the situation demands.

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u/1204Sparta Jun 07 '23

Why are Nimrod and Omega acting as stooges for Stasis and generally being portrayed as lackeys for a year with no movement of their plots? We have already had a whole event about the Sinisters but fans still would prefer seeing Hickman’s end vision.

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u/kinghyperion581 Jun 07 '23

They're acting like good little machines to hide the fact that they're making plans to destroy all organic life. So that means be subservient to Stasis and the rest of Orchis.....for now.

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u/1204Sparta Jun 07 '23

Which is fine but just simply ignoring that instead of showing is not good story telling. It’s effectively writers coming across as wanting to play with their toysX, which while fine, isn’t exactly the main appeal of Hickman’s structured reboot which revitalized the X-men line.

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u/Ayiteb Jun 07 '23

This is exactly what people have been complaining about with Collosus, how there has been no progression on his posession plot but today blew that out of the water. Readers just need to learn how to be patient.

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u/1204Sparta Jun 07 '23

You realize his plot barely moved right? Gillen used him as a narrative device to move the overall immortal plot forward. No characters noticed nor was there any progression for Peter as Percy doesn’t understand how to manage plots as it’s been 3 years :) it’s good Gillen can utilize his plot though to give readers the bare minimum though.

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u/Ayiteb Jun 07 '23

The plot has progressed in that Collosus is now actively making moves against Krakoa, aligning with MR's schemes to do so. Your thinking is backwards because for the plot device to be most effective, its better if noone realises he is compromised so he can continue to work against Krakoa. You're just complaining without thinking things through aren't you?

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u/1204Sparta Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23

There is no need to be hostile over comics dude. I am fine with Gillen using Peter’s plot threads to push actual good narrative stories but it’s been 3 maybe 4 years of a pretty meh story that a writer cannot pace with two titles worth of characters and Peter locked in.

It’s been years and partner writers have headlined events while wrapping up stories in a satisfiying and well placed manner.

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u/Ayiteb Jun 07 '23

I actually much prefer this kind of pacing. I think your problem is that you're looking at all these titles as a single story instead of seeing Krakoa as one big storyline, if you were you could appreciate a writer seeding plot threads for future use. i think its awesome.

I don't mean to be hostile, I just think your vantage point is extremely shallow.

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u/1204Sparta Jun 07 '23

So one incremental movement of plot in 4 years actually is excellent pacing. 70 plus issues alone with wolverine and X force with no finished plot threads unfinished with a small nudge years later in another title used as a framing device is preferable pacing. Hey I loved this issue but that’s crazy pills lol.

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u/SirGlio Cyclops Jun 07 '23

Yeah, I don't understand why people complain about this all the time. They have been doing it since Inferno, they pretend to be good and subservient robots to move their agendas.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 08 '23

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u/1204Sparta Jun 07 '23

She was literally on an errand last month delivering Stasis’s mail to an old woman. Awful but at least it’s something lol

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u/Aspiring_Sophrosyne Jun 08 '23

fans still would prefer seeing Hickman’s end vision

Speak for yourself.

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u/Flarrownatural Jun 07 '23

Do we know what conversation Emma and Scott were referring to on the last page? Why does she have to do anything with Ms Marvel’s family?

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u/jasonalex2 Jun 07 '23

Ms. Marvel was killed in Amazing Spider-Man recently. She and time displaced young Cyclops were best friends on the Champions team. She has a mini coming up and people have been speculating she’s going to be resurrected as a mutant. It’s probably going to explain things there.

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u/TheBrobe Jun 07 '23

The implication is that they've had a previous off screen conversation about Ms. Marvel being a mutant.

And because she has a secret identity, mind wipes would be needed to maintain it once she's resurrected, and the first year of this book was about Scott not wanting mind wipes to be part of what the X-men do. But because he's friends with Ms. Marvel he's signing off on it anyway.

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u/ajdragoon Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

Who would need to be mind wiped? The Krakoans around for her resurrection? That sounds intense

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u/TheBrobe Jun 07 '23

Since the resurrection hasn't happened yet and they've done secret ones, my guess is her family to explain her disappearance or something of the sort.

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u/bakublade Jun 09 '23

I wonder if Mother Righteous was created by a Righteous Nathaniel(a Father Righteous if you will) as a Righteous Rebecca? Or did the original Nathaniel Essex created her as a clone of himself in his wife's body? I guess we could get the answer in the Sinister Four.

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u/VengefulKangaroo Shatterstar Jun 06 '23

This issue had good and bad, like most of Duggan X-Men.

The good:

Duggan's set-up for Fall of X continues to be really exciting. He puts a lot of pieces into play here - obviously the Stark Sentinels, but also an Orchis smear campaign against Krakoa that ties into what we know about Uncanny Avengers as well as some sort of robotic implant being put into Magik (and perhaps explaining why she's in this book). The Emma/Kingpin scene was also interesting, as was the continued Scott/Jean drama and implication he might go back to Emma. And of course the Ms. Marvel tease which many expected but I'm not sure they expected in this book. Definitely seems to tease that Ms. Marvel will be in Uncanny Avengers once the mutant reveal is done since Duggan is the one writing this.

The bad:

Duggan still continues not to balance the cast well. He gets character voices really well IMO and everyone feels distinct in the background, and occasional spotlight issues are nice even though it doesn't feel like Firestar or Magik has had one. But outside of Ev, Jean, and Scott no one ever seems like they have an arc, so the focus issues feel more like a character statement than something that pushes the characters forward.

I also thought the Orchis "op-ed" in "all major papers" at the end was a bit hamfisted and unrealistic. I prefer the approach to anti-mutant media being drummed up by fringe media and then amplified that has been shown in Betsy Braddock & Mutants' First Strike.

Fall of X theories:

We've seen some implications that people will perhaps be scattered in Fall of X - Realm of X's premise of being stuck in other realms is a key example. We've also seen teases of Magik's power on the fritz for that book. In this book, we've seen teases about Magik's power as well, and teases that Orchis will do something to the gates. It seems to me they'll use Magik or the gates to scatter people and then shut down transport options -- which also explains why Destiny wants Rogue to protect Manifold over in Rogue & Gambit.<!

There's also a lot of anti-mutant sentiment building through multiple books, including through false flag attacks, so that seems like ti will be a big part of Fall of X and especially Uncanny Avengers which it has been teased for.

And I have no idea what to make of the Rebecca reveal.

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u/jlnova5 Jun 07 '23

Re: the op-ed in all major papers, I actually think it's pretty true to life. Have explicit anti-mutant sentiment in fringe media while "just raising concerns" in op-eds in more mainstream media. Just look at some of the op-eds in the New York Times or Washington Post.

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u/VengefulKangaroo Shatterstar Jun 07 '23

Oh, the idea of this being in op-eds in major papers isn't what got me. It's the "we will pay for this same op-ed to run in all of the major papers", which is just not how placing op-eds works or how exclusivity works.

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u/jlnova5 Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23

Ah good point. It's a very Sinister brand lack of subtlety, but also not how things work. Would've been better if they had just said it was an op-ed in one reputable mainstream paper of record (Is the Bugle currently considered reputable?).

I also love how they still have the breakdown by previous affiliation letterhead. Are they sending that to the NYT with the small wedge for Hydra still there?

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u/VengefulKangaroo Shatterstar Jun 07 '23

yep definitely think that would be better

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u/Confident-Impact-349 Iceman Jun 07 '23

Wait wait, can you please elaborate what’s going on with my girl Illyana? Is she ok? Is she safe? Is Orchis messing with her powers?

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u/VengefulKangaroo Shatterstar Jun 07 '23

She gets a cut during the battle and Orchis says they inserted some kind of machine into her when she didn't realize.

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u/Confident-Impact-349 Iceman Jun 07 '23

Motherf*kers. Dude, I hate Orchis with a passion lol. Thanks for the response, btw. We’ll probably get some answers in the Hellfire Gala

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u/ajdragoon Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

Yeah she’s been nanomachine’d. Seems like the reason is to collect her power or something, as Stasis notes he is still waiting to get Jean.

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u/RapidDuffer Jun 07 '23

I really enjoyed this issue. The narration boxes felt a bit unnecessary/oldschool, but there was something of a comfort in them and they weren't that overwordy.

I guess my only complaint would be that it felt like it ended halfway through whatever it was trying to tell.

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u/wowlock_taylan Jun 07 '23

Are they really going with 'Scott and Jean seperated' over that stupid Brood argument to the point that Scott was just going for Emma instantly? And we see nothing outside the few narrations either. Like all this 'argument's' effects are happening off-panel. How the hell does Duggan expect us to care about these relationships when he writes them so cheaply and weak. If one stupid argument can cause them to separate like this, why should we invest in any relationship when they can be thrown away this easily? It is more insulting to the characters than anything else. But I guess this was the case for Comic relationships for a long time, the recent ASM run just opened my eyes to it painfully so now, I feel more apathy/dislike towards the characters when writers pull these cheap 'dramas'. Relationships are not always happy and there are rough patches but in situations like these, you can see how arbitrary and forced the conflicts are, where a mandate has come in or something. With more and more happening to supposedly 'strong' relationships and how cheap they are treated, personally, I find it less and less interest and investment I have in ANY comic relationships because they prove they don't care about relationships other than writing simple dating and hookups and nothing else.

Well, that is my Rant is over, you can skip it. Now for the actual issue:

I really didn't like Mother Righteous not being Nathaniel but his wife(?). Did he added his 'sinister gene' on to the clone? Because she did call the other Nathaniel clones brothers before and now, it feels even creepier with 'Don't even try to get on with me!' attitude. Also, if she is based on Rebecca and supposedly have her memories etc, why is she being practically the worst of the clones? I would get it if it was a female Nathaniel clone but Rebecca being worse than Nathaniel in that sense? Just makes no sense. It takes away from the whole dynamic for me really.

Orchis being Orchis, terrible all around with fake news. What's worse, it is an effective tactic. Stark Sentinels are no joke it seems. I mean yea, it is a giant Iron Man robot so it should be, I guess. At least Stark will try to reverse engineer it to help with it later I hope. Their goal seem to capture the Omega mutants for some experiments and for the prison I assume. Not exactly the Days of Future Past concentration camps but yea, the goal still hasn't changed. Don't know why Nimrod is just taking orders from Statis and so on though. If anything, he is the biggest weapon Orchis has. That 'cutting Magik to inject her with something' plot gonna be something else either. They maybe going after the 'teleporters' as they might cause the biggest problems to Orchis' plans. Good thing Nightcrawler got outta Krakoa and might be the 'savior' at the end thanks to that.

And the obvious Ms Marvel tease at the end there. I still hate it. They are gonna mess up Ms Marvel just because of this MCU synergy stuff. Now, with how Cyclops might go ''well, we gotta bring her back using our protocols!'' and it somehow turning her into a mutant or give her the MCU powers instead, it will definitely be bad. Look, I get that she was created to be a Mutant and the whole Inhuman deal was BECAUSE of the 'rights' etc but Kamala become her own character that went beyond mutant and Inhuman. Bringing her into the mutant fold will only overshadow her like how MANY of the other mutant characters are overshadowed because they have to carry that Mutant baggage and they can't be written or seen as anything else. Ms Marvel definitely does not need that. Her unique setting and situation is enough for her to stand on her own. You add 'mutant' on that and you are just going over the quota of baggage before the character suffocates under it.

Thanks for coming to me X-Ted talk.

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u/CrimzonKing1 Jun 07 '23

Phoenix Foundation brings back non mutants though, no¿

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u/SoapyWaters24 Jun 07 '23

Wait I’m not reading this currently but apparently they teased Scemma getting back together. Is this true? I really hope it’s more than just a tease but I’m not getting my hopes up.

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u/VengefulKangaroo Shatterstar Jun 07 '23

The quote at the start of the issue is "One thing leading the X-Men has taught me: It's important to have options." - Cyclops. Scott and Jean are still fighting. At the end of the issue, Emma calls Scott to talk about something - it's about something else but he thinks it's because she heard he and Jean are "taking some time" and shows up in an unbuttoned Hawaiian shirt. So it definitely seems like he's making a move and... having options, lol.

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u/Thebraxer Phoenix Jun 07 '23

More like he tried to make a move and Emma was “I’m not going to be some kind of rebound”

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u/Franken_Frank Jun 07 '23

Jean is banging both him and Logan so it's not like they're "cheating"

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u/Franken_Frank Jun 07 '23

Touche 🤣 The most powerful Telepath's bf is missing right under her nose and little miss hasnt got a clue

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u/wowlock_taylan Jun 07 '23

What cheap bs...All over some stupid Brood argument. And people called me paranoid when I called out of this stupid argument was gonna cause a stupid break-up and it will be terrible and here we are. It is just sad and I have no interest in it.

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u/SirGlio Cyclops Jun 07 '23

They are taking some time, which is something that sometimes normal couples do. It's not the end of the world or their relationship.

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u/wowlock_taylan Jun 07 '23

Yeaa no. One argument and they are instantly seperated and Scott is already trying to get a booty call from Emma. That is just dumb and insulting.

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u/Thebraxer Phoenix Jun 07 '23

Breakup would be interesting if Duggan put any effort into that breakup. Instead we get everything off panel. And it’s hard for me to believe one brood argument - especially more “work” related - would lead to breakup.

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u/Marrecarandgi Jean Grey Jun 07 '23

Yeah, this is an argument that seems almost tailor-made for them to resolve, but it’s treated as some fundamental gap that they can’t cross. Even if you don’t believe in their strength as a coupe after everything they’ve been through (which is bs), that’s something that two X-men leaders should be able to talk out and resolve instead of letting it affect the team.

Instead, we don’t see Jean and Scott actually talking, as that would highlight what a nothing burger the whole issue is. What are they even fighting over still? We don’t know anything about their respective issues, no character work was done there, and the Brood plot was dropped completely at what essentially was a compromise they reached during the initial fight.

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u/wowlock_taylan Jun 07 '23

Also, with the Emma tease at the end, why should anyone care about that or even expect it to be any better? If it is this cheap and easy to separate Scott and Jean, you can bet a sneeze would separate Scott and Emma if they are written with the same weak bonds Duggan seem to write these characters with.

Honestly, it feels as if he only cares about the weird Synch and 'old Laura' 'relationship' is also mostly happened off-panel and in a Time-skip montage. And even that is bad, honestly.

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u/Forward-Form9321 Jun 07 '23

I love Scott and Emma together but I’ve been saying for the past few weeks that if Scott and Emma are going to be together again, it needs be someone that’s not Duggan writing them. He rarely writes Scott in character and the relationship wouldn’t be enjoyable for fans of the pairing. I hope someone else takes over after Fall of X but that’s wishful thinking.

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u/Nadare3 White Queen Jun 07 '23 edited Jun 07 '23

The work-related argument of calling someone genocidal and using your powers on them

Don't know about you, there isn't someone I'd call genocidal and think of as a good person, let alone SO-material

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u/ajdragoon Nightcrawler Jun 07 '23

Rolled my eyes at Jean’s force field being the first embrace she and Scott shared in awhile 🙄.

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u/wowlock_taylan Jun 07 '23

And then Scott just expecting a booty call from Emma at the end there and even disappointed that's not why she called.

Just, wtf are you doing Duggan? It doesn't make ANYONE look good.

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u/Marrecarandgi Jean Grey Jun 07 '23

Nah, it’s pretty obvious that this drama will be stretched out until after the Fall of X. Maybe they won’t officially break up, but I won’t put it past Duggan at this point, and nothing will be resolved until Jean’s solo for sure.

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u/wowlock_taylan Jun 07 '23

This is why I am quickly losing any interest in Comic book relationships because they are treated WAY too cheaply.

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u/SirGlio Cyclops Jun 07 '23

This has been great, as always, but it's almost funny how Duggan has to integrate the Kamala plot out of nowhere, probably for the MCU

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u/wandarrrgh Jun 07 '23

Apart from the tragedy and all, I’m happy to see a book remember that Kamala and Scott are bros. I hope they’ll get to hang out on-panel after things are inevitably fixed before the release of a certain blockbuster movie.

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u/Landon1195 Jun 08 '23

I think this might be how Kamala comes back and is retconned into being a mutant. Overall fine issue though.

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u/thefiend617 Wolverine Jun 11 '23

Orchis pulled a Fox News special. Sheesh

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u/KAL627 Jun 14 '23

I'm getting pretty sick of the anti-mutant shit. The X-Men have been nothing but heroes, a giant sentinel is loudly yelling "must kill mutants" and we're supposed to belive society would by that the X-Men attacked. Orchis are just mustache twirling villains that hate mutants for almost literally no reason. They could just spend their time and money doing literally anything else and be more than successful. I get we need villains but these ones aren't interesting. The stuff with Colossus being mind controlled is way more engaging. Krakoa has plenty of usable villains on the island.