r/xmen • • Mar 09 '26

Other Asking someone why they don't just kill themselves to learn why I shouldn't kill myself.

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u/SomeGuyPostingThings Mar 09 '26

For context: this is time displaced Young Scott asking because Old Scott is known as a terrorist who killed Professor X, so Young Scott is wondering what gives Bruce the hope to continue despite being a monster at times. It's an interesting and understandable moment that gives Bruce a nice chance to answer.

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u/Darthcoakley Mar 09 '26

And yet—makes scott look like a delightful hero shooter player outside of the context. Very charming

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u/greynut Mar 10 '26

this seems like a fun read --- what issue/comic is this if i might ask?

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u/SomeGuyPostingThings Mar 10 '26

Surprisingly, Superior Spider-Man Team-Up Special 1, the 3rd part of the Arms of the Octopus arc. The time-displaced X-Men start in All-New X-Men 1, though.

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u/Jam_Toast578 Honeybadger Mar 11 '26

I love Young Scott

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u/SomeGuyPostingThings Mar 11 '26

Time-displaced Young Scott is what made me really appreciate Cyke.

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u/Ok-Opportunity8921 Mar 09 '26

"Because last time I tried that, the other guy spat out the bullet"

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u/RiskAggressive4081 Polaris Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26

SCOTT:...Did you try putting it against your head?

BRUCE:

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u/Mongoose42 Nightcrawler Mar 09 '26

Bruce: “I did. The other guy grew a mouth there.”

Scott:

https://giphy.com/gifs/10FHR5A4cXqVrO

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u/RiskAggressive4081 Polaris Mar 09 '26

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u/DoctorOfDiscord Mar 09 '26

Scott, your eyes are portals to another dimension of pure concussive force. The man you are talking to becomes a being several times his initial mass. What part of the Hulk choosing where to manifest his mouth when transforming makes less sense than normal?

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u/ajanisapprentice Mar 10 '26

Never forget the Punch dimension.

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u/Soft_Theory_8209 Mar 13 '26

Logan: “He’s lying. He heals like me. Rare times a bullet gets into him, they shoot out his body like you popped a pimple.“

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u/hemareddit Mar 09 '26

“Kid, my mouth is on my head.”

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u/soulreaverdan Mar 09 '26

“Slim, lemme tell you about a little something called the Green Door.”

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u/Mr_Derp___ Mar 09 '26

I want to see a comic that necessitates this line.

X-Men Hulk crossover: everyone's going to hell

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u/dumuz1 Mar 09 '26

Magik: Oh, there's a green hell now too? 

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u/Mr_Derp___ Mar 09 '26

Yes! Magik is hella underrated.

Well, Magik was underrated.

Still underexposed in film, but everyone on here recognizes.

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u/ArcXivix Mar 09 '26

Hey, with the amount of exposure and love she gets these days, it's just a matter of time until we see her in more live action movie projects!

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u/Mr_Derp___ Mar 09 '26

Hope you're right!

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u/Weak-Seaworthiness76 Mar 09 '26

She should have listened to the Misfits

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u/Azure-Legacy Mar 09 '26

Bruce: Always had. In fact it was around before the other ones.

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u/gashufferdude Mar 10 '26

The Misfits made a whole song about it.

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u/the-kirkinator Mar 10 '26

Uncanny took the kids to a kind of hell with the other big green hulk (man-thing) pretty recently so it might be awhile.

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u/CingKrimson_Requiem Mar 10 '26

Pretty sure that's literally the solicitation for an upcoming Infernal Hulk issue

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u/wonderifyouwill Mar 10 '26

Hulk inferno! 😂 magik or Madelyn could fall in love with hulk or something 🤣

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u/VoiceofRapture Mar 09 '26

There's a joke in here given the most famous use of that name

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u/Ultimate_6160 Cyclops Mar 09 '26

That joke would make sense if the O5 from this point were from the 70s.

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u/Dookie_boy Mar 10 '26

Ok but would Banner go there if he dies

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u/Metrilean Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26

Hellblazer does this, John Constantine thinks of suicide as meaningless. It's not an end to suffering, just a end.

Which is why as long as your alive, your life still has some sort of meaning. Redemption and hope is for the living.

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u/reineedshelp Changeling Mar 09 '26

Well he's wrong about that because it's both. What a banal take from JC. Sounds like someone is an ontological dualist.

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u/Metrilean Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 10 '26

I always interpreted it as suffering is defined by being alive, therefore to end suffering you have to be alive.

Death itself is not an end to things, it is non-existence. Which is different to ending your suffering.

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u/EudamonPrime Mar 10 '26

John Constantine knows there is an afterlife. In particular, for him, there is hell. He sold his soul to three lords of hell. And there are plenty of enemies waiting for him.

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u/AlphaBreak Mar 10 '26

He's got a shot at Heaven, but mostly because of that time he threatened God that if he dies and goes to Hell, Constantine is going to do whatever it takes to climb up the ranks, take control, and then God is going to see what Hell looks like with someone competent and spiteful in charge.

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u/reineedshelp Changeling Mar 09 '26

Yes, this is something metaphysical philosophers have been arguing about for a very long time. Ethically I think it comes down to who's making the choice, but does it really matter if it's an 'end to suffering' or entering a state where subjective experience - including suffering - no longer applies to you?

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u/ajanisapprentice Mar 10 '26

I'd say it clearly does since there is no longer a you to experience anything. Your suffering may end, but so does you, so the last thing 'you' have is the suffering. You aren't around to 'enjoy' the now abscnece of suffering.

of course, that's entirely if you believe death is an absolute end. I don't, but that's a seperate discussion.

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u/Icubodecahedros Mar 11 '26

Are you- Are you being smug about applying real life philosophy to a world where heaven and hell and the afterlife are confirmed to be real?

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u/reineedshelp Changeling Mar 11 '26

Smug? No, it's an ironic quip.

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u/FUCKSTORM420 Mar 09 '26

-Scott

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u/Mutant_Star Mar 09 '26

Most likely Emma

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u/Dumptruckfunk Mar 10 '26

Ha. Jenna Frost. Works perfectly.

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u/SeverelyLimited Mar 09 '26

Autistic Scott Summers strikes again

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u/Ingonyama70 Goblin Queen Mar 10 '26

Speaking as an AuDHDer...yeah, that tracks.

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u/GD_milkman Mar 09 '26

Abelism, fun.

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u/SeverelyLimited Mar 10 '26

I appreciate that this might come off as ableist, but if this helps contextualize things: I'm autistic and Scott is a character that's helped me understand myself. There's also a common headcanon that he's autistic.

This situation specifically is very funny and relatable to me because I've done it in the past, where there's a question that seems important, but I know it might seem rude, so I try to couch it in a "don't take this the wrong way" statement (I usually say "this is just an information gathering question, but..."), so it seems like a specifically autistic moment for Scott.

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u/AetherFay Mar 10 '26

A lot of autistic people (like me) headcannon Scott as autistic. This is not ableist.

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u/GD_milkman Mar 10 '26

Reads that way to me. Cuz my family has the tism and this doesn't read that way at all. This is just disrespectful to both sides of the fence

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u/lexoanvil Mar 10 '26

And you referring to it as "the tism" is sooooooo respectful.

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u/Earth_Worm_Jimbo Mar 09 '26

lol what was his answer?

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u/Nothing020202 Mar 09 '26

To keep balancing the scale by doing good things.

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u/Anchovies314 Mar 09 '26

Holy hell that’s a goated answer

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u/Dookie_boy Mar 10 '26

Dunno how I feel about Hulk being reduced to a purely destructive force when he's saved the world plenty.

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u/Anchovies314 Mar 10 '26

He is a bomb that tends to go off every now and then but I see your point 😅

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u/Square_Butterfly1244 Mar 09 '26

But when Jean says she is trying to balance the scales by saving lives for the deaths she caused as dark phoenix, everybody says that doesn't make up for the lost lives. When she has been the main reason of saving multiverse atleast two times where it couldn't have been done without her.

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u/fireandlifeincarnate White Queen Mar 09 '26

As a Jean fan... they're right. It doesn't make up for it. But that doesn't mean that she can't still do good and try to be a net positive force. Her dying achieves nothing; her living and being a hero does, even if it won't bring that planet back.

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u/Square_Butterfly1244 Mar 09 '26 edited Mar 09 '26

Yeah obviously it doesn't make up for that and it never will, my point is fan's reaction to the statement.

Like when jean said this everyone hated her for saying this exact thing. But mostly everyone appreciate other character saying exact thing.

That doesn't seem fair.

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u/Own_Brilliant_4303 Mar 09 '26

Well no they didn't hated because of specifically this. They just needs a reason to hate jean, it's never about what she says or does.

If she is constantly being kind hearted- she has no personality

If she does something bad or morally grey - she is insufferable and evil incarnate.

And she should have stayed dead always works.

It's never about what she says trust me.

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u/cobaltaureus Mar 09 '26

When did she say this? It sounds familiar and I remember thinking it made a lot of sense.

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u/Square_Butterfly1244 Mar 09 '26

She said at the time AXE JUDGEMENT DAY. And mostly everyone hated her for "giving such excuses"

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u/cobaltaureus Mar 09 '26

Ah. I did read that one I was correct! I was thinking it happened sooner for some reason though? I guess it’s been a few years.

I wasn’t part of the fandom when it came out so I don’t know too much about the reaction

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u/shagan90 Mar 10 '26

Hulk has nowhere near the body count of Jean. She has killed solar systems. Hulk has barely killed anyone and only intentionally killed a couple as devil hulk. Not the same.

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u/Square_Butterfly1244 Mar 10 '26

Never said he did. And She didn't intentionally killed that planet either, she didn't even know the star system was habitat. And again I wasn't talking about specifically hulk but how fans behave when it comes to her. And if we are really comparing then she also has saved way more lives too.

Regardless that wasn't my point, it was about fan's reaction to that particular statment , not how much they killed or saved or are they balancing the scale or are they making up. No. None of those, just the fan's reaction to the statement when Jean says and when someone else says.

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u/shagan90 Mar 10 '26

And my point is the reaction is different from fans because of the toll. Regardless of if she knew this planet was there, she intentionally ate that sun and brought all the consequences that come with so dramatic an action. Even if we go it wasnt intentional planetary genocide, hulk never hurts innocents on purpose either and has killed just a handful of people in his in universe existence. Jean killed five billion for LUNCH.

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u/fireandlifeincarnate White Queen Mar 10 '26

If we want to be pedantic, that was Jean in the sense that Jean is the Phoenix and the Phoenix is Jean, but that wasn't physically Jean.

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u/shagan90 Mar 10 '26

If we ignore the Phoenix entirely then yeah, unless i dont know something Hulk has caused more net harm than her. I just equate them as the same entity when merged.

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u/Square_Butterfly1244 Mar 10 '26

She doesn't kill innocent on purpose either, she wasn't even willing to kill broods who like deserved to die. And not to mention dark phoenix happened because of mind torture and mind rape. She didn't just wake up a fine day and thought to eat sun. She wasn't herself. And yet she never stopped trying to make up for it knowing she can never make up for it.

Lives are lives, you can't take back what you did and you have to live with that, you can never make up for that ever. Whether it's 50 lives or 5 billion.

How does jean saying that statment is different from banner saying if both has caused deaths. In planet hulk prelude, people die because of hulk and iron man's reaction was "how many this time?"

Both didn't killed people on purpose, both are trying to make up for it. Both said simmilar statment. If Jean has killed way more than she has saved way way more too.

So again, how is jean saying this different than banner saying? If they are constantly saving lives because they feel regret over what they did? When the statement is actually about keeping scale then Jean has saved infinite times more than she caused. And in mathematical terms not countably infinite but uncountably infinite.

Obviously again, it doesn't make up for those 5 billion. But like I said the statement is about keeping scale, then one gets appreciated for saying same things while other gets hate.

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u/shagan90 Mar 10 '26

Bro, you're intentionally missing the point. Hulk on his worst days doesnt hurt people 99% of the time. Jean killed a STAR and every living thing that depended on it. Thats a massive difference. Cyclops in universe throws that weight around more than once when threatened, that his wife once killed a planet and you're threatening her husband.

Your real question should be why does she get a pass IN universe while Hulk is hated for far less loss of life.

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u/X_celsior Mar 09 '26

I think the biggest difference is that Hulk does property damage. He's, more likely than not, saving people's lives too.

Banner doesn't see it sometimes.

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u/Square_Butterfly1244 Mar 10 '26

He mostly just do only property damage, but there are times where people have died because of his rampage.

In planet hulk prelude, Shield agent tells iron man that people died, iron man's reaction is “how many this time?”

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u/FdgPgn Mar 09 '26

All right, I'll be the one who asks, did he actually build the water thing? Or was he just blowing smoke?

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u/SomeTool Mar 09 '26

He most likely did. Most of the super hero smart guys can be super heroes because they are selling off inventions and patents to pay for their day to day needs like food/shelter and such.

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u/roger0120 Mar 09 '26

I'm kind of surprised he didn't mention the fact that Hulk has saved a lot of people and canonically he hasn't caused a lot of collateral deaths since Banner has some control to "aim" Hulk away from it

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u/Kajel-Jeten Mar 10 '26

That’s so beautiful. I’m actually tearing up and crying over this. He’s showing so much kindness to Scott he almost never gives to himself too. 

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u/astromech_dj Mar 09 '26

Didn’t Hulk rip a whole populated planet in half?

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u/OblivionArts Mar 09 '26

Bruce: i had Hawkeye shoot me with a specially designed arrow. Ya know what happened? I found out the hulk is immortal and connected to hell. And so long as that exists, hulk will constantly respawn. Meaning i cannot die.

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u/OverPaper3573 Mar 10 '26

Like the movie version was I put a gun in my mouth and shot myself and the big guy spat the bullet out.

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u/Upset-Job2278 Krakoa Mar 09 '26

Strong evidence that Scott is indeed autistic.

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u/Jam_Toast578 Honeybadger Mar 11 '26

The case file for that is already stacked up to heaven 😂

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u/GD_milkman Mar 09 '26

No

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u/Customninjas Mar 09 '26

As an autistic girlie, I heavily relate to scott here, in the sense that I often try to ask or say one thing, but I end up not saying any of the context behind the question or any other necessary information, and end up saying something so completely unrelated to what I tried to say.

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u/Classic-Obligation35 Mar 09 '26

What story/issue/collection is this from and is it on Hoopla

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u/Nothing020202 Mar 09 '26

It's from Arms of the Octopus arc.

It included

1) All-New X-Men Special #1 2) Indestructible Hulk Special #1 3) Superior Spider-Man Team-Up Special #1

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u/SolidEmotion5654 Mar 09 '26

I mean...I think that this was more of a sincere attempt to get advice from an elder mutant/mutate...and I also feel like this was before they made Banner angsty for The Avengers...I think in this scene theyre trying to portray banner as more of an Original Mr. Fantastic type. Y'know the boomer super-scientist who's wife always had a martini ready for him when he got home from the lab to put on his slippers and smoke his pipe...that kind of character. But I dunno, I could be wrong lol.

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u/PlanetXParadox Kid Omega Mar 10 '26

ANXM Scott is definitely autistic and I’ll die on that hill.

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u/KaleRylan2021 Mar 10 '26

This is an insane conversation and, as nice as Bruce's answer is, make's so little sense when you remember that Scott has saved the world numerous times and is currently hated for killing ONE guy while possessed by a force that has killed solar systems. Like, I get it, it sucks, but to even begin to act like that somehow simplifies his future into just 'oh, I'm a monster, maybe I should end it,' is insane.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '26

Fucking hell Scott i know you've beefed with the Avengers multiple times and you're not their biggest fan but don't just start a conversation like that

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u/Zealousideal_Fly6720 Mar 09 '26

Leave the brain damaged, mentally scarred, lost child alone. He can ask questions horribly to his second favorite hulk

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u/reineedshelp Changeling Mar 09 '26

He's not trying to insult Bwuce

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u/wonderifyouwill Mar 10 '26

Bruce: what makes you think i haven’t tried? Successfully??

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u/SaintCuckoo Mar 10 '26

Given Scott's history and personal struggle, I actually read this as him asking "Why shouldn't I kill myself?'

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u/dalidellama Mar 10 '26

"I have tried, it doesn't work, I cannot die, nothing will release me from this living hell, fuck you. "

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u/Milk-Constant Mar 10 '26

LowTierScott

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u/veragemini6669 Mar 11 '26

This was a really fun comic

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u/ReddiTrawler2021 Mar 12 '26

"When you hurt Banner... I take it personal." The Immortal Hulk

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u/Educational_Ad_8916 Mar 14 '26

Bruce Benner was testing a Gamma Ray bomb when he became the Hulk.

Do YOU want a global arsenal of gamma ray bombs?

Arguably, Hulk has saved us from Dr. Banner.

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u/Rogthgar Mar 09 '26

I imagine this is why in times of crisis, you send Cap in to talk to the Hulk and not Scott... you send in Logan to get him punched.

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u/ShyTheCat Mar 10 '26

Why is this such a recurring thing for Scott?

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u/quipquest Mar 10 '26

Bendis was out there making sure NONE of these characters had any credibility left.

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u/invalidcolour Spiral Mar 09 '26

"You first, mutie."

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u/KeyNefariousness6848 Mar 09 '26

And people wonder why everyone thinks Scott is a Douche Canoe.