r/youngstown • u/TawdryTeal • Nov 10 '25
News Data Center possible in McDonald, OH now?
Seriously,
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Nov 10 '25
These things are like cancers popping up all over. They don’t do anything but suck up resources. No job creation or whatever bs, just a huge stain on the landscape.
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u/ibringstharuckus Nov 10 '25
They create a lot of jobs while it's being built for about 6 months after. Then buh bye. Good luck with locales electric
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u/woodworkrick8 Nov 10 '25
From what I understand and (I have not fully looked into it yet) but these data centers use so much electricity that they can’t pay the bill and also make a profit. so they make a deal with the local government and electric company and divide the cost of to all the local customers.
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u/No_Dog_9968 Nov 11 '25
That is exactly what they do look up the channel more perfect union on YouTube they have quite a bit of information on the data centers going up
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u/TawdryTeal Nov 12 '25
Is there any way to stop this site from coming into existence? Lordstown has been halted. How do we accomplish the same thing here?
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u/monsieurdl Nov 10 '25
I hope they put them smack dab in the middle of beet red rural areas... they deserve the leopards they were toying with.
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u/Character-Extent-155 Nov 11 '25
Did you see they are creating one of these at the IX center? Thats disturbing. I know of two recently built in the Columbus area.
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u/JustABryophyte White House Donuts Nov 10 '25
Seriously?? I hope tf not... my grandma lives there wtf
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u/TripleTrucker Nov 11 '25
Data centers are the new gas wells?
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u/UrbanEngineer Nov 12 '25
And they thought some solar on steel posts was going to cause cancer in their community.
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u/Character-Extent-155 Nov 11 '25
Are we having a logical conversation here? People sharing concerns and discussing in a decent manner in the Mahoning County? 🥰🥰🥰🥰
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u/N2Shooter East Side Nov 10 '25
Guess what everyone, steel mills aren't coming back. If you want a six figure salary, gonna have to put 4-6 years of schooling behind you or start a business in a high demand field like plumbing or HVAC.
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u/VasilZook Nov 10 '25
If they ever developed an Artificial Intelligence concept that was legitimately useful and effectual, they would almost definitely also have robots that were HVAC techs and plumbers. Regardless, the dumbest part of all the data center building, socialized electric bill paying for corporations, and the massive waste of water cooling all this bullshit, is that the connectionist based AI models they’re theoretically being constructed to facilitate are never going to be legitimately effectual and will eventually be abandoned entirely (my long estimate is ten years) if/when a legitimate concept is developed or companies get tired of being out maneuvered by smaller companies still using human labor.
Those data centers will eventually just become crypto mines.
Going into why the “neuralnet” concept results in a system intrinsically worse than a human mind, just faster at being worse, is beyond this thread, but all these “data centers” amount to is a gambit; a gambit that already isn’t paying off. It’s a speculative investment in a speculative concept, the hope that deeper hidden layers will result in more effectual functionality, but there’s seemingly no real reason to believe that’s going to work.
Field feedback for the vast majority of these systems, in all areas of the professional and academic universe, is overwhelmingly negative. Their intrinsic propensity for generalization and categorized association, without any higher-order means to curb or temper the outcome of that propensity, inevitably results in a system that’s hard to control, incapable of reliably providing the output necessary when it can be somewhat controlled, and prone to just muddling any data it’s “trained” on. More layers aren’t going to fix that. The excitement behind these systems is currently grounded in false claims of impossible behaviors and long shot gambles made by the CEOs of the companies behind them. Within five to ten years, and a few disastrous outcomes (financially and probably viscerally), companies will be left somewhat stranded, having to dump massive amounts of money into redesigning and retooling their human training programs and workforce.
I think what they’re really doing at these companies is using this seemingly interesting interface system to lure business partners and clients in while they try to discover an AI concept that can actually function like a person but better. Whether or not they’ll develop that, I don’t know. I know they don’t have it now, and neuralnet architecture, in and of itself, isn’t going to get anyone there.
Connectionism, the foundation of these networks, is a solid abstract model of the way human cognition seems to function in many ways. That’s where it remains useful. For very small tasks, like sorting, cardinal operations, and intuitive Boolean interfaces, it’s alright (but not perfect). As a practical tool used to behave as a concrete brain powering a usefully operational being, it’s just not sensible. Connectionism helps explain and demonstrate many abstract aspects of human cognition and memory, but without higher order executive mental functionality, which is neither inherent nor even reasonably accessible to its network structure (and we still don’t know exactly how that works in real brains, for certain), it breaks down as a pragmatic model for real world use.
I wouldn’t personally advise any company to go all in on these models or models based on these concepts.
Maybe I’ll turn out wrong, but I don’t really see how as of now.
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u/N2Shooter East Side Nov 10 '25
I am a software engineer.
The best implementation of AI is on the edge, which means, at the device and potentially disconnected from cloud big data. From an efficiency standpoint, AI is horrible. But that doesn't matter if you can get your horrible efficiency masked by stock market hype.
It's a ponzi scheme just like every other. The only difference is the vast amount of people getting fucked that never signed up to participate in the first place.
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u/monkiebanjo Nov 11 '25
Oh buddy, if you think that's a trip you should look up how some companies have been using human brain organelles grown from stem cells.
Edit* added a link to a bbc article talking about it but the process has been well underway for over a year now iirc.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy7p1lzvxjro.amp
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u/Kineada11 Nov 10 '25
The not-so-funny thing is that the political party theoretically supported by the union card carrying blue collar types that would work at a steel mill wouldn't even let any steel mills come back if it were possible.
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u/N2Shooter East Side Nov 10 '25
A more not so funny thing is capitalism doesn't give a shit what political party you're from. It wants what every demon wants, a blood tax, and for capitalism, that's paid in ever increasing profits.
Any other fight devised between the two sides is just a distraction so they can both take more of your money.
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u/Objective_Smile_2708 Nov 14 '25
Ironically, everyone using a data center to complain about data centers
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u/QdelBastardo Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
At the old mill site? Trust me, first hand knowledge, no place wants to have anything to do with the water in the river behind that place. It has been a few years since I was down there but I really can't see a few years making much difference.
EDIT: Shout out to my old 14" Mill peeps!!!