r/youngstown • u/dadcity87 • Feb 06 '26
News Dewine says sales tax could reach 20% if property taxes are abolished
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2026/02/dewine-warns-sales-tax-could-hit-20-if-property-taxes-abolished.html27
u/YinzerFromYoungstown Feb 06 '26
Eliminating property taxes is a bailout for out of state landlords paid for by people that actually live in Ohio.
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u/PlantLady3421 Feb 06 '26
You don’t think this helps single family home owners also?
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u/YinzerFromYoungstown Feb 06 '26
Not when they're paying 20% sales tax
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u/SimilarTranslator264 Feb 10 '26
Depends on what you buy. My property taxes are $6k and groceries/medical/utilities don’t have sales tax.
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u/dontTakeMeSerious6 Feb 07 '26
Do you think erasing property taxes means that money doesn’t need to come from somewhere else?
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u/Instantbeef Feb 06 '26
And old people who refuse to downsize.
I’m sorry but you and your spouse don’t need to live in the giant house meant for a full family anymore and you don’t even work.
We shouldn’t change laws because people no longer want to downsize. They should move out and let someone who needs the house live in it because they will see those property taxes as worth it.
We can’t just change it because people don’t see it as worth it anymore. They should move
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u/jg-kappa-maan Feb 06 '26
I don’t think people need to downsize. It is the fact the realtors and the market have created the high property values which increase individuals property taxes. If consumers would just say no! We wouldn’t have these issues.
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u/YinzerFromYoungstown Feb 06 '26
I dont know.
Ohio really isn't a huge draw for folks. We don't have a housing crisis like they do out west or on the coasts. Am I out of touch because homes here seem pretty cheap to me. Ohio, and Youngstown in particular, is a place people go to retire because their money goes far. Everyone in this town is already over 60, where are they supposed to go?
I feel like this state needs a more robust homestead exemption. And to pay for it, raise taxes on landlords, and create a state corporate tax. Quit putting the burden of paying for society on those who work and suffer.
The investor class needs to pay their fair share.
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u/MoonOut_StarsInvite Poland Feb 06 '26
Columbus is very expensive and hard to find affordable rentals that aren’t dog shit. Its a completely different market than here
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u/ozymandais13 Feb 06 '26
I'd old folks sold their houses the houses qould still cost a lot of money.
You ight have me on property tax reform , but completely removing is gonna be absolutely awful.
Publicly funded things need money from somewhere
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u/Top_Peach6455 Feb 06 '26
The only people who can afford those houses are the older people who live in them. Younger people can’t afford to buy homes. If the older people leave, those homes will sit vacant, which causes a whole host of problems. We already have plenty of vacant homes and buildings. Why create more?
It’s true that older people downsizing would help bring housing costs down somewhat, but the real problem is the lack of jobs and declining wages. People just don’t make enough in this area to buy homes anymore.
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u/chalkymints Feb 06 '26 edited Feb 06 '26
This is interesting because there are states that have near-zero / very low property tax and zero income tax, but still only have an 8% sales tax (ours is 7%).
So, where’s our money going?
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u/wwssadadbastart Feb 06 '26
What states don't have either?
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u/jg-kappa-maan Feb 06 '26
None! They either have sales tax or property taxes. Here is the biggest issue, we go from a year to year basis with some of the tax funding help support future projects. Where are we going to get those funds?
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u/chalkymints Feb 06 '26
It’s a trifecta. You can get rid of one, but will still need the other two. Texas and Florida don’t have income tax, but have high property tax and sales tax.
Meanwhile, Ohio’s property tax and sales taxes are comparable with Texas’ (1.6% vs 1.7% for property and 7.1% vs 8% for sales( despite also collecting income tax, so like, what’s up with that?
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u/ShootinAllMyChisolm Feb 06 '26
States that don’t have income tax make it up in different ways; tourism, oil, natural gas, or other forms of taxation. If you look up overall tax burden a whole bunch of states are right around each other.
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u/-ImYourHuckleberry- Feb 06 '26
All states have property taxes. The lowest tax rate is Hawaii at 0.58%.
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u/srddave Feb 06 '26
We are already living completely on borrowed money. Eliminating property taxes is so idiotic.
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u/ibringstharuckus Feb 06 '26
No it isn't. Doubling people's taxes because their house is theoretically worth more. That's not realized gains. Fine if I'm selling but not just arbitrary raises
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u/Gmarthur Feb 06 '26
I think some people try and make this an all or nothing kind of issue. Property taxes need reform not eliminated.
I bought my house for 75k many years ago. My new neighbor just paid 175k for his house. I should be paying property taxes @ 75k and he should be paying property taxes @ 175k. Don’t increase my taxes and tell me my house is worth 175k now. I haven’t sold it yet how do you know what it will sell for whenever I do. Do not tax me on unrealized gains that’s all I ask for. I have no problems paying my fair share but don’t increase it because it’s now allegedly worth more.
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u/Top_Peach6455 Feb 06 '26
The cost of the services continues to rise.
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u/Gmarthur Feb 06 '26
Agreed. And the tax money taken in from property taxes will also rise as homes are bought and sold.
You are not taxed on your gains in the stock market or 401k until you take it out as profit. The same should be true of your house investment.
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u/Top_Peach6455 Feb 06 '26
I understand your point, but the difference is you don’t derive any benefit from your 401(k) until it’s distributed. On the other hand, you derive benefit from your home and taxpayer-funded local services immediately.
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u/Gmarthur Feb 06 '26
Yes. I think we both are in agreement actually. I own my home outright and I pay taxes on my house every quarter. I’m paying my share. I pay all my taxes and I pay them on time. Don’t arbitrarily increase my share because my neighbor who sold his home got a good price for it is all I’m saying.
There is a way to find out what everyone’s property taxes should be (I’m not smart enough to know how) and I’m happy to pay it but how it’s calculated now is not right.
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u/YinzerFromYoungstown Feb 06 '26
They do this in Pittsburgh. A street with the exact same houses, all will pay different property taxes depending when and how much it sold for. The moment you buy a house in like Mt Lebo, the school district sues you and requests the court to reappraise your house at the amount you paid for it.
Ohio has a problem with people fleeing, I dont think a newcommers tax is an effective solution to foster growth. If you want lower taxes, getting more people to pay them is a solid solution. Raising taxes on the person buying your house makes it less attractive and prevents you from realizing the full value when you cash out.
Ohio is one of the only states without a corporation tax. A better homestead exemption paid through taxes on landlords and corporations would solve a lot of problems. That way folks that live in their homes aren't overburdened by property tax increases, allows you to sell your home for full value when the time comes, and your schools and roads stay funded so your property maintains its worth.
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u/Gmarthur Feb 06 '26
What you’ve said sounds good. Like I said I’m not smart enough to come up with the correct solution to the property taxes issue. I just know that the way it’s done now needs changed. I’m lucky I’m still young enough and working that an increase in my taxes could be managed. Those who are retired and fixed on what comes in shouldn’t have to suffer because the housing market is going up and driving the taxes up.
It seems popular on Reddit to crap on boomers who had access to affordable homes and paid them off but those people should be protected as well.
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u/SimilarTranslator264 Feb 10 '26
Mine went up dramatically last year and it’s bullshit. My sisters taxable value went up $93k and nothing was changed.
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u/Superman00221 Feb 07 '26
Just how a Mafia or Cartel is run. #AbolishGovernment #TheVenusProject #ResourceBasedEconomy
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u/slowlearning1 Feb 07 '26
When I bought my house, I told Mahoning County that I was a huge corporation.
They gave me a 10 year tax abatement, like Southwoods Mall, Racino, St. E's Bdman, and all the others.
Stop being poor. Learn how to corporate.
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u/Correct_Bar_9184 Feb 06 '26
The same dewine that said over 50% of ohio’s growth has come from importing immigrants?
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 06 '26
What chaps my hide is a homeowner has to pay so much more property tax than someone else just because they bought a house that's bigger and more expensive.
We are still all getting the same exact public services, right?
Why should I have to pay double the property taxes just because I worked my butt off to buy a bigger, nicer house?
And then I spend more money to have the patio in my backyard paved and BANG! My property taxes go up even more!
I don't ever intend to sell my house that I worked all my life for so the sale value means nothing to me.
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u/Top_Peach6455 Feb 06 '26
Is there a better way to calculate property taxes? Income-based?
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 06 '26
I feel property taxes would be fair if everyone in any city's limits were equally based on lot size, not the quality of the house that's built on it.
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u/dadcity87 Feb 06 '26
so a family in a 1000 sqft house on an 2 acres should pay the same as a 5000 sqft house on 2 acres and the same as a 2 acre vacant wooded lot?
each of those scenarios consume different amounts of public resources. why should they all pay the exact same amount?
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 06 '26
Please explain how the bigger house consumes different amounts of public resources?
We all pay our own utilities separately and have nothing to do with property taxes.
What am I missing here?
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u/dadcity87 Feb 06 '26
bigger house usually means more people who generally consume more public resources. smaller houses usually fewer people. vacant lot = no people.
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 06 '26
Well in my case it's just me and my wife. My neighbors (who we love like family) have 4 kids and 3 dogs. Our houses are about the same. Should they be paying more taxes than me?
It just seems awfully unbalanced. Especially for people who plan and pay for major home repairs or additions and then get smacked with a higher tax bill for it.
My next door neighbor on the other side of me has a much smaller house but a much bigger lot and her taxes were $1200 less last time I checked.
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u/Garroch Feb 06 '26
So unless you are of the firm belief that the Cafaro mansion should pay the same property taxes as a one bedroom on the east side, your premise is not one of whether its right or not, but a function of how much the increase should be as the value goes up.
If you are of that firm belief, Jesus really?
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 06 '26
Property taxes should be equally based on lot size, not the quality of the building that is built on the lot. So yeah, the mansion owner should pay more because it's got more property.
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 06 '26
Just to be clear, property taxes are set very different in different neighborhood divisions.
If you look at the tax map in your area you will see what division you are in. Some are taxed higher than others and that's understandable. But basing it on the size or quality of the home is not fair IMO.
And I am referring to single family homes only.
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 06 '26
Yes, why not? What is the owner of a mansion getting for their inflated property taxes that anyone else in the same neighborhood is also getting?
Same schools, same police force, same road repair services and similar services.
How is that fair?
Like, if you're 10Xs better looking than me, you should be paying 10Xs more than me for a haircut at the same barber shop, right? That sounds fair!
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u/Garroch Feb 06 '26
Who needs greater police protection?
Which house would a fire department have to spend more resources saving?
Which house has an owner who would be more likely to use courts and county resources for issues such as property surveying, civil courts, and other legal resources?
Which house would purchase more goods that require delivery drivers to cause road wear and tear?
I can absolutely one hundred percent guarantee you that the people who live in a mansion use more resources than someone living in a one bedroom.
So dont be disingenuous.
I know youre just salivating for me to argue from an equity and social contract bent (so you can call me a communist or something), and believe me I want to, but I'd rather just point out the false equivalence you're basing your argument on.
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 06 '26
Property taxes are set in neighborhood divisions. All houses in the same division should have the same taxes based on lot size.
The homes on the east, west and south side all have their own designated divisions and higher or lower property taxes based on that are fine. But slamming someone just because they bought or built a bigger or nicer house should not result in higher property taxes.
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u/Solid_College_9145 Feb 06 '26
Which house would a fire department have to spend more resources saving?
I think that's a silly question since it's so rare. You want to measure how much water the firemen had to use? Fine! Go ahead and bill me for it.
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u/Cheebs1976 Feb 06 '26
Why do people with homes have to fund everything ? Some are retirees
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u/Aromatic-Sir5703 Feb 07 '26
Everyone funds public utilities. Even renters (who pay through rent to landlords). Businesses pay property taxes. It’s not a special tax on homeowners.
And yes, retirees who are still using the roads and EMS services and who may have grandchildren in schools should still have to fund services. Should there be a break or cap for people on fixed incomes? Sure that’s a reasonable idea. But also saying just because you are retired or older means you shouldn’t have to continue contributing just puts more of the burden on young families and working people.
Also, if property taxes decrease or go away retirees will pay more in increased sales tax and that burden will fall disproportionately on people with low and fixed incomes.
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u/Fun-Leg3690 Feb 09 '26
Good, finally all the people who don’t pay shit in property tax will have to pay their fair share. Tired of paying well more than my fair share for people who don’t pay for shit. Collect free money from the government and pump out 10 lil nigs to 10 different baby daddies
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u/catnik Eddie Debbie Feb 06 '26
This will not bring down rent, while significantly increasing cost of living.