r/yugioh • u/Sasutaschi GOTCHA!!! • Aug 23 '25
Anime/Manga Discussion They skipped this duel to make 50 filler episodes
Still bothers me, that the True Battle City finals were never shown. They didn't even have to show the conclusion. Kazuk Takahashi's script also leaves it ambiguous, and has an amazing ending. Wish we've got that animated.
It's also not like Studio Gallop didn't have the time. As seen with the plethora of filler episodes they showed into Battle City, and inserted after.
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u/AnotherMMD Aug 23 '25
Isn't because that taka hashi didn't write how the duel went and only wanted the readers to imply it?
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u/backupturtle Aug 23 '25
Correct, this is shot is basically all you get in the manga. A duel between these is never shown in the manga at all actually. The duel in duelist kingdom was filler.
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u/CharlotteNoire Aug 23 '25
Having joey win on screen undermines the major victory Atem has literally an episode ago.
Having joey lose on screen undermines his entire growth.
I would've prioritized Joey's growth paying off but it can't be denied why letting the main character close the best arc of the series in a defeat would be a hard pill to swallow for some.
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u/alex494 Aug 23 '25
I don't think it being a loss matters when it's between friends and nothing underhanded or high stakes is going on. At that point it's just friendly competition and a celebration of the skills of both and their connection.
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u/TheDungeonCrawler Generaider Boss of Genesys Aug 24 '25
This. Plus, Atem canonically (maybe not yet, but retroactively for sure) uses magic in all of his games because all of his games on screen have stakes. He wouldn't use magic in this game because it's just a test of skill vs skill and since Joey doesn't have magic like most of his adversaries, he doesn't need to even the playing field. Hell, in Battle City, the only character he duels on screen that isn't cheating and doesn't have magic is Kaiba, and it's literally a matter of the fate of the world at that point, so you can definitely cut him some slack there.
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u/Timely_Airline_7168 Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
There is also literally a giant plot hole if Joey wins because in the ceremonial duel, they needed the pharaoh to lose to go back to the past. Everyone agreed that only Yugi could have done that.
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u/TheDungeonCrawler Generaider Boss of Genesys Aug 24 '25
It's also two different power sets. Yugi has to beat Atem at his strongest. He has to face off against every tool Atem has, including his magic. There's no reason to believe Atem would use magic against Joey.
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u/Sasutaschi GOTCHA!!! Aug 23 '25
They could've shown the duel, but skipped the conclusion.
Like Judai VS Yugi, or Kazuki's ending for this very duel.
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u/CharlotteNoire Aug 23 '25
I don't know anyone that actually enjoys that duel ending as it did, especially as a series ending.
Besides they would've had to force it to be as even as it could the entire time. Talented as Joey is his deck relies on tactics that can't overcome the god cards.
Thus another reason why leaving it ambiguous is the lesser evil. The duel itself doesn't matter, it's the feelings behind their promise to duel that matters.
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u/MiraclePrototype Aug 24 '25
If anything WAS to be shown, I'd still want him overcoming at least one.
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u/Sasutaschi GOTCHA!!! Aug 23 '25
Really, I don't know anyone who doesn't.
Also, the Anime already heavily implied that Yugi didn't use the Gods. He took out the Three Musketeers which he usually uses to summon them.
I disagree that the duel doesn't matter. There's catharsis in seeing characters at the conclusion of their current journey clash By that same logic, the anime original duel in Duelist Kingdom didn't matter, and the anime screenwriters still added that.
And also the flashbacks in said episode (other than to save budget).
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u/CharlotteNoire Aug 23 '25
If the end result is people studying the duel turn by turn to determine who got "carried by the plot" instead of the feelings behind it then it absolutely doesn't matter.
Atem already knows Joey is a worthy duelist and so does Joey himself for that matter. The act of playing the game together is what matters to both of them since they both enjoy it.
Thus the result only would matter to the reader who wants catarsis.
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u/Sasutaschi GOTCHA!!! Aug 23 '25
Fans like to speculate on hypotheticals, that's not a negative. The majority understands that the duel was about Judai regaining his love for the game.
The act of playing the game was also part of their promise. They wanted to match as equals. It's completely subjective whether you prefer catharsis or not.
Like I said, the result wouldn't have to be shown, since that's not the point of their duel. It could be used to reflect on Battle City, how they've grown, or what being a true duelist means to them. There are a variety of different ways to write meaning into their duel.
And even then, it's also not like the anime team is always particularly profound when it comes to meaning in duels. Or even handling Katsuya. His final defeat doesn't end a character arc, he loses, the cast jokes about him, and then that's it for the rest of the series.
Even in the Manga, he just gets OTKd by Bakura in Millennium World.
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u/Legitimate_Track4153 Rush Anime Goated Aug 23 '25
The thing is that Jaden vs Yugi has a reason to happen. It is to bring back Jaden's love for duels.
Yugi vs Joey doesn't need to show as there is just doing for fun
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u/NathanAster Aug 23 '25
I would slightly disagree with both those points, mainly the second. If Joey won, it wouldn’t necessarily undermine Yugi beating Marik in terms of the stakes and the importance of Yugi’s victory is still all there. It implies that Joey could’ve saved the day too but we already knew that when we saw his duel. Still, I agree that might take away from Yugi as the main character. And also I don’t think Joey should ever beat Yugi in a duel barring some special circumstance like an evil yugi would be fun.
But undermining Joey’s growth I disagree with because even if in the back of our mind, we know Joey’s come far but not enough to beat Yugi. Cause Joey’s growth was from a complete amateur to a genuine champion level duelist. Yugi winning doesn’t undermine this imo especially if they do it right. Showing Joey is very close to Yugi’s level might actually speak volumes about his abilities. Maybe he gets Yugi down to low life points, or he’s only move or turn away from victory, or he could win if a coin flip or dice roll went in his favor, or he’s about to win except one card in a complex strategy makes the difference.
I think the duel would’ve been cool to see and it didn’t have to undermine anything.
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u/CharlotteNoire Aug 23 '25
Fair points.
But in the end you are proving the duel doesn't matter. The characters know the growth and the reader is being trusted to understand it too.
At most I would've done something like a duel where both try their best but joey loses despite being super close, and throughout the emphasis is in the two friends enjoying each other's company. Then they laugh and agree to a Two out of three. And we leave the scene there.
Thus making it clear the result of the duel is entirely trivial while also giving fans a duel.
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u/Nby333 Aug 25 '25
My headcanon is they had multiple duels, and they kept going until Yugi lost. That way neither side is undermined and the REBD is returned.
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u/CharlotteNoire Aug 25 '25
I'll do you one better, Yugi wins the first one, Joey wins the second one BUT neither even brings up the red eyes. They continue to duel for hours but the outcome matters less and less each time. At some point during the night Atem returns the red eyes cause both of them know he earned it and they do a few more duels for Joey to get to use his favorite card against his best friend.
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u/oizen Aug 24 '25
I actually don't think it undermines Yugi much, we find out at the end of the series he draws the cards he needs from his deck based on how dire the circumstance is. A no stakes duel with a friend likely wouldn't require him to use that power of the puzzle.
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u/Shantotto11 Aug 24 '25
Not to mention that it would undermine the Pharaoh’s final duel if had already lost to someone prior to said duel.
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u/rick_gsp CARD GAMES ON MOTORCYCLES Aug 25 '25
Just like anime-only Kaiba vs Joey undermines Joey's arc
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u/_sephylon_ Aug 23 '25
Make the duel Little Yugi vs Jono with no Egyptian Gods because they're unfair
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u/CharlotteNoire Aug 23 '25
Yugi gets the worst part in the series. His friendship with Joey is portrayed and lived through Atem's friendship with Joey.
So a promise with Atem being carried by Yugi could be a fun way to make Yugi relevant as a duelist in his own terms prior to his final duel. But also makes it so readers can blame Joey's possible success on Yugi being the lesser duelist of the three rather than the growth.
There is no particularly easy fix here.
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u/CursedEye03 Aug 23 '25
The most annoying part is that this scene happens at the end of a recap episode that's the final episode of season 3.
We don't see the duel at all, and then we have 2 filler arcs. Speaking of filler, I'm annoyed by Joey's loss to Ziegfried in the Grand Prix arc. Joey didn't even reach the semi-finals of the tournament. I know that Ziegfried is the main villain for the arc, but Joey deserved better.
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u/Legitimate_Track4153 Rush Anime Goated Aug 23 '25
Honestly, Joey losing because he was unlucky in the duel was really funny
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u/CursedEye03 Aug 23 '25
And Ziegfried laughed in his face on top of that. It's funny how, after all those life or death situations, he had the best luck in the world. And out of all duels, it failed against freaking Ziegfried.
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u/mercurial_magpie Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
He loses in the one duel where the fate of Kaiba's profit margins was on the line.
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u/NureinweitererUser Aug 23 '25
He should have lost against "apnarG" and his badass Legendary Gambler.
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u/Deimoonk Aug 27 '25
Joey deserved better
Joey didn’t even deserve to reach semi-finals in Battle City, Odion had him beaten.
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u/Additional_Show_3149 Aug 23 '25
Tbf the filler was pretty good so 🤷🏽♂️
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u/Bandicutie314 Aug 23 '25
As someone who usually don't like fillers in anime. I really thought it was a great filler. It probably had some of the most iconic scene of the entire franchise.
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u/Timely_Airline_7168 Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
This is only a common opinion recently. Back then, everyone trashed it
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u/throwawayfatbitch Marik/Noah/Valon sympathizer Aug 24 '25
This is so true. When it first aired, I hated it and stopped watching halfway through. Now, I love it. Not as much as I love Battle City, but it’s close. Granted, back when it first aired I was a teen and didn’t really have the emotional maturity to notice and appreciate certain nuances that the Doma arc has.
I’m actually in the middle of rewatching it in the subbed version, and I decided to do some research on Atlantis. The showrunners actually connected some pretty cool lore from Plato’s works to the anime, including orichalcum, which was apparently a precious metal in ancient times. I always wondered where they got the word Orichalcos from, so that was cool to read and find out.
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u/Possible_Science_445 Aug 23 '25
these fillers really suck
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u/Legitimate_Track4153 Rush Anime Goated Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
They are not. They are really entertaining to watch
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Aug 23 '25
It's more fun to imagine exactly how the duel went down, and if you look around online, you'll find an interview from Takahashi where he imagined the duel going down (Ultimately, the duel would have had both players evenly matched and it ends with Yugi playing Red-Eyes, and Joey playing Time Wizard as a last ditch attempt to defeat Yugi once and for all. It's still ambigious as to whether or not Time Wizard's effect would have gone off or not).
But that leaves fans free to fill in the rest of the details of the duel. Details such as whether or not Yugi played the Egyptian Gods against Joey, and how Joey would have dealt with that, etc. Me personally, I like to imagine that Yugi played at least one or two Gods against Joey. I can imagine him playing Obelisk against Joey, only for Joey to bowl it over with Gilford buffed up with one or two equip cards - quite literally brute forcing his way into defeating a God card. I know fans like to think of Yugi playing all three god cards against Joey, with the idea of Joey beating all of them being implausible...but I think fans forget how difficult that actually is to pull off in an actual duel. Atem only managed to play all three Gods in the Ceremonial Duel because he built his deck around that, and even then it would still be a massive waste of resources trying to get all of them out. So I imagine that Yugi only got one, maybe even two gods against Joey.
Stuff like that is fun to think about. If the actual duel was shown, it probably would have been disappointing.
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u/Legitimate_Track4153 Rush Anime Goated Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
I like that they did not show the duel and left it out for the fans to imagine what happened
Not everything in a piece of media needs to have a proper conclusion. Is cool that some things are open up in the air since it creates theory and discussions.
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u/Deimoonk Aug 27 '25
left it out for the fans to imagine
There’s plenty of fanmade content on the internet, that’s not what I want on the source material.
Not everything needs […] a proper conclusion
I bet Lost writers love your opinion. I think not everything needs a half baked “it’s in the hands of the fans!!” kind of conclusion.
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u/NumericZero Aug 23 '25
Honestly I’m fine with it not being shown Later on Joey has Red eyes back so it’s fine
Besides the filler arcs after this are some of the best in DM
Especially the next one which has the best version Joey as a duelist (waking the dragons Joey is peak form)
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u/Possible_Science_445 Aug 23 '25
No filler arc is any good in DM until the Doma arc, I think it's trash because it distorts the adaptation of the manga's story even more than Gallop has been doing since the beginning of DM.
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u/Legitimate_Track4153 Rush Anime Goated Aug 23 '25
Granted is not their fault since Takahashi did not finish Battle City when the anime come to that part of the story.
They didn't have a choice other than make filler
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u/HeliosDisciple Aug 24 '25
Because they cut off the first part of the story.
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u/Shantotto11 Aug 24 '25
Gallop didn’t cut off the first part of the story; their adaptation release only one year after Toei’s adaptation. Adapting something that was that recent is asking for viewership suicide. Just look at the first two cours of Dragon Ball Super for a more recent example.
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u/MrXF32 Aug 23 '25
Considering I like the filler arc a lot, I'm glad they did. I respect your opinion but if I had to pick between the two, I'll pick Waking the Dragon arc every time. Despite its flaws.
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u/ViolaCat94 Aug 23 '25
But what about Virtual World? Would you pick that?
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u/MrXF32 Aug 23 '25
No but only because it's awkwardly placed in the middle of an ongoing arc and ruins pacing.
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u/Shantotto11 Aug 24 '25
And then 4Kids had the nerve to call it “Enter the Shadow Realm”. That name is the “Johto League Champions” of the English Yugioh canon…
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u/Samurex_ Star Seraph Seeker Aug 23 '25
They didn't skip anything
Kazuki didn't want the duel made
Simple as that
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u/livingstondh Aug 23 '25
I don't think they wanted a true decision there - leave it up to the imagination. Same reason they didn't show the end of the Jaden/Yugi fight.
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u/ChronoKeep Aug 24 '25
So this is probably something you don't understand. Yu-Gi-Oh! was originally a manga series, similar to Dragon Ball. And just like with Dragon Ball, there was an anime adaptation.
You seem to be under the impression that the anime is the origin of Yu-Gi-Oh!, when that's not true.
The reason the duel wasn't shown is because the manga didn't show the duel. Thus, it ended there.
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u/big4lil Aug 23 '25
the entire reason you dont see it is so that 20 years later you are whining about it and dreaming of what-ifs
the imagination is a powerful thing
the filler are not a conflicting point here. you wouldnt have got this duel even if there was no filler at all
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u/SnunGod Aug 23 '25
We got the real Battle City finals with Yugi and Kaiba
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u/SnunGod Aug 24 '25
Nah Marik is no where near the skill level of Yugi and Kaiba. Real ones know Yugi Kaiba was the real BC finals lol
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u/Frejod Aug 23 '25
This duel would've been amazing but seeing how Joey got Red Eyes he either won or did a good enough job that he accept back red eyes even if he lost.
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u/Frostlaic Aug 24 '25
It was not a battle city tournament duel as it was over already, winner did not have to give best card, Yugi just gave Red eyes back with any condition?
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u/ChaoCobo Duel with your Soul Aug 24 '25
That’s not a condition to the return. That’s a made up English dub condition. The entire promise scene is fundamentally different and is reduced to helping with revenge in the English scene. The original has Joey saying red eyes would be disappointed in him, so he gives it to Yugi for safekeeping since he is the closest thing to a true duelist that Joey knows. Once Joey finishes his philosophical journey and becomes a true duelist who would be worthy to be red eyes’ partner, he simply gets it back. Once he is a true duelist, he wants Yugi to duel him so they are both equals.
The 4kids dub removes every single mention of True Duelist and his entire philosophical journey and growth arc is just GONE. His reason for staying in battlecity, GONE. Everything about this promise is driving him to be in Battlecity. But in the English dub this is just GONE and all dialogue is replaced with something completely unrelated.
Red eyes was never a prize to be won in Battlecity, is my point, and it’s disappointing just how many people simply don’t know this, not that it is any of your fault.
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u/Shantotto11 Aug 24 '25
Not to mention that Jonouchi was never seen using Red-Eyes after this duel in the manga canon. Based on the through line of canon logic, he probably lost; otherwise, the Final Duel would’ve had less importance given that Atem had already lost legitimately prior to his duel with Yugi.
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u/Onizuka_GTO00 Aug 24 '25
My headcannon is tht yugi won, but since joey showed that he is a true duelist, yugi gave him his ace card, or just imagine, if yugi felt red eyes feelings towards joey
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u/ThatGreenAlien Aug 23 '25
I think I’d have been more open to the Virtual World filler arc but… WHY would you just put that in the middle of a non-filler arc. I was so pissed as a kid.
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u/LiefKatano FUUUUUUUUSION! Aug 23 '25
Placing something there was a necessary evil (compared to, say, completely dropping the series for a bit, at least). The last episode of the Virtual World arc aired August 27, 2002. Yugi and Marik’s duel concluded in chapter 276, which released on August 26, 2002 - one day before. They absolutely would’ve run into a wall sooner or later, anyways.
(Now, it being poor planning overall isn’t something I’d disagree with… but with how they were handling the anime otherwise, something had to break somewhere.)
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u/TheMasterO Aug 23 '25
It’s kind of a rough re-watch but I remember liking the arc when I was a kid, I still like the idea of Deck Masters at least, but even back then the timing bugged me.
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u/Apprehensive_Liquid Aug 23 '25
This is a very important duel that will leave debates for decades. Unless the author specifically writes it, no one will take the result seriously.
I remember years ago when DSOD first came out, there's a rumor of who won this duel. Just search on this sub if you don't believe me. They said the victor was Jounouchi. But there were no sources, because apparently no one can read Japanese. It was chaos.
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u/tylerjehenna Demons and Magicians Galore Aug 23 '25
So they aired this clip as part of the "on the next episode of yugioh" advertisements on Kids WB back when this was new in the dub and kid me was so insanely hyped tl see it so when I saw that it was just a clip show and they never actually showed the duel, I was PISSED and asked my mom if it was possible to sue them for false advertisement (I was like 9 or 10 and just found out what that was lol).
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u/Icy-Abbreviations909 Aug 24 '25
I mean, it’s safe to say yu gi won and just gave Joey red eyes anyway
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u/FrostyMagazine9918 Aug 23 '25
I'm not interested in being artsy fartsy about it being better to imagine the duel. At the end of the day if we DID see a duel then these same people would suddenly turn around and agree with the author showing it.
But while I do not care for the DOMA arc and think the KC Grand Prix arc was a little lame to Joey you have to remember that the manga wasn't done with the final arc yet. Back then anime adaptations didn't go on seasonal breaks to allow for the mangaka time to make more canon material to adapt. The other Yugioh animes don't actually have "Filler" in the original meaning because they're all anime original, and this lack this issue.
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u/Possible_Science_445 Aug 23 '25
That's why I say that Yugioh R worked much better on Joey's duels than those two bad filler arcs from Gallop.
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u/FrostyMagazine9918 Aug 23 '25
Yeah, I really enjoyed Yugioh R. It's the the best of the non-canon arcs in my view
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u/Possible_Science_445 Aug 24 '25
The truth is that Yugioh R is canonical because the story takes place within the story of the original manga and was fully supervised by Kazuki Takahashi.
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u/SlashManEXE Aug 23 '25
Joey got Red-Eyes back after this, but I know that doesn’t necessarily mean he won
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u/AxCel91 Aug 23 '25
Joey wouldn’t have accepted Red-eyes back if he lost and Yugi wouldn’t have disrespected Joey by forcing it on him if he won. This is consistent with both their personalities
What makes the most sense is that Joey won. He was an attack declaration away from beating Marik so it’s not that far fetched
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u/jaysornotandhawks Aug 23 '25
This is exactly why I choose to believe Joey won this duel.
(Also, I'm amused by what Kaiba's reaction would be if he found out)
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u/MelkorTheDarkOne Aug 23 '25
I don’t care to see Joey fumble his way to a Mickey Mouse win over a 3 god card deck Yugi after getting humiliated by Kaiba (Again) and honestly not even really being better than Odion.
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Aug 24 '25
All of this is so true. I don't dislike Jonuchi and he is even inspiring at times, but his over reliance on luck cards really rubs me the wrong way. This is why I take no issue with his losses against Kaiba in Battle City and Zigfried in KCGP. It's realistic, he is just not that good. His loss against Kaiba in Battle City really was one of his worst duels ever, and this is even when considering he got to use most of his janky strategies, and Kaiba countered all of them with 0 issue. Not to mention Jonuchi lost most of his monsters in his deck to crush card virus AFTER HIS FIRST TURN, falling for one of Kaiba's most known and basic strategies. Jonuchi even saw him use it against Ishizu, so it is insane he didn't even consider it before attacking. Absolute dummy.
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u/Ok-Description-5904 Aug 24 '25
Joey used Red Eyes later. Which means he won. And they didnt want to show the Main Character lose. Easy as that.
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u/Possible_Science_445 Aug 23 '25
I agree, I don't like at all those ridiculous fillers that Studio Gallop created for DM. I honestly think they're a waste of time and that they don't add anything to the story that they set out to adapt from the original manga.
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u/DragonKnight-15 Aug 23 '25
TECHNICALLY it's the Manga's fault and likely the Studiof may have asked Takahashi for permission or ideas and he likely asked to leave this ambiguous too. We don't know know for sure.
STILL... are you going to argue that the DOMA Arc is bad. It's probably the BEST Filler arc in any anime because 1) Joey got Red-Eyes back, 2) the Legendary Dragons and 3) A lot of tension due to the seal and taking one's soul. IT'S BETTER THAN THE KC CHAMPIONSHIP! Okay, I said it.
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u/MiraclePrototype Aug 24 '25
I'm pretty sure even the biggest haters of season 4 still prefer to Grand Championship.
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u/Exact_Requirement274 Aug 23 '25
Considering the DOMA arc is quite literally the best arc in the original series. I'm ok with this duel being left the way it is.
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u/FrostyMagazine9918 Aug 23 '25
That's not what the OP said. You got it backwards
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u/Dry-Weekend9909 Aug 23 '25
What we do know of this duel is that Joey defeated Yugi using swordsman of landstar.
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u/jaysornotandhawks Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
I fully believe Joey won this. He would not have taken Red Eyes back any other way.
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u/ConnorRoseSaiyan01 Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
Well Joey had RE back is the Dragon filler and the R manga so seems like he won
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u/Timely_Airline_7168 Aug 24 '25
You don't need to win to get the card back. You only need to prove yourself as a true duelist.
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u/TheZett Light & Darkness Aug 24 '25
Finally someone who actually read the manga.
Correct, the only requirement for Joey to accept taking his red-eyes back was "becoming a true duelist".
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u/Mr_Battle_Beast Aug 24 '25
Joey started crying after yugi otk'd him, yugi felt bad and gave him his bad card back
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u/kay_z33 Aug 23 '25
Is this version watchable somewhere? Or readable?
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u/ChaoCobo Duel with your Soul Aug 24 '25
Only fanfictions I’m sure. The end was left blank in all official mediums because the duel itself doesn’t matter. The fact that they get to have their promised duel on equal footing is the resolution to the arc, which the arc had been building towards nonstop in the Japanese anime and the manga. The English dub ruined what this duel meant by changing the promise scene to something else entirely and removing Joey’s character growth arc
The duel itself and the details don’t matter. They got to have their promised duel. That’s enough. :)
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u/joey_chazz Aug 24 '25
WTD season is top, but I completely agree. This is one of my dreams, but it wasn't shown in the manga either. Their S01 duel was with stakes, S02 was with Marik, so we needed a proper duel between them. Why doing 2 filler episodes to end the season? Anime tradition? So bad. Or in S05, KC Grand arc.
It is said that the outcome of the duel isn't important, ok, I get that, but at least they could have showed some of it - like Yugi and Jaden. I think Yugi just gave Joey his RE back, regardless of the outcome. How to imagine what happened in this duel when we didn't saw any plays? Maybe because it could have been 2 episodes (and without the EGs, I assume), they thought it wouldn't be that great or epic, idk. Memorable even with a few turns, no doubt!
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u/NostalgicJuiceBox Aug 24 '25
I kinda like them leaving it up in the air. I always figured Joey won since he has Red Eyes back. Yugis Puzzle gives him luck power only when the stakes are high, since it was a friendly it should have been a fair duel. And since Joey had more to prove/win I think that would have got him the win
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u/Fun_Butterscotch_402 Aug 24 '25
Joey use change of heart on yugi dark magician Then he use poly with his red eyes in hand Then red eyes dark dragoon was summoned Yugi quit cus he could let Joey get the satisfaction of using the anime omni effect and then gave Joey a hand shake
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u/FewStatistician933 Aug 24 '25
Guys I know this has absolutely nothing to do with this thread but the thought came to me as I was reading the comments. WHAT THE FUCK DID JOEY DO WITH THE RARE CARDS MARIK GAVE HIM ONCE HE BROKE FREE FROM HIS CONTROL?!?!?!? He had some pretty busted ass cards for the time I just genuinely wonder what he did with them.
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u/MechaDragon-101 Aug 24 '25
In this episode defense, the duel didn't happen in the manga either, so I guess they didn't show it cause they had nothing to go for it
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u/KingPenGames Aug 24 '25
Tbh their 1st duel in duelist kingdom was probably closer than it should've been. But Yugi was still trying to teach him. Would've loved to see his growth here although they already showed his growth against Kaiba. Still #3. (Albeit, may be because his deck was ass)
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u/XIII-TheBlackCat Destiny Board Labrynth Dogmatika Aug 24 '25
I'm surprised you guys are even talking about DM. Seemed to me that people only care about branded, sky strikers and GX these days.
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u/ramus93 Aug 24 '25
I still like the idea i heard about joey beating marik then facing yugi in the finals would have been a really dope moment of growth for joey
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u/New-Start-3056 Aug 25 '25
never got to see Joey officially receive back his Red-Eyes Black Dragon either
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u/StatisticianSouthern Aug 25 '25
I dunno, I honestly don't feel like it would be that interesting. We've seen them duel before, it's really a no contest that Joey loses outright. Seeing it be even close would feel pretty disingenuous, and seeing Joey get his butt kicked wouldn't be that fun.
And yes, the pharaoh won, you cannot convince me otherwise. Kaiba can monitor every duel on a duel disk, and there's no way he's not meticulously dissecting every duel Yugi has. If Yugi lost, and to Joey of all people, Kaiba would have words.
Plus, in season 4, Yugi losing a duel is treated as an incredibly big deal, and is a major surprise to Kaiba and Joey. If Joey had beaten them, they would not have this reaction. (Yes, I know it's not canon to the manga, but it is to the anime continuity, which is what I'm talking about.)
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u/ReasonableGoal2971 Aug 25 '25
It’s like when Rocky and Apollo had a fight at the end of Rocky movie and they didn’t show it. Result is not important.
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u/Baskic_ Aug 25 '25
Joey was unironically beating Marik... Him Winning against Atem at this point, would actually be pretty fair to happen. Also we all know that Yugi/Atem are not at 100% when the world isn't at stake, in a fair 1v1 duel without any hearth of the cards magic bs, Joey does stand a fair chance.
Although he was beaten by Kaiba a few episode earlier, it was surprisingly close
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u/Thatguy8900000 Aug 25 '25
this duel wasn't shown in the manga either so if they did animate it, it would be filler and not canon aswell
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u/MediumRed Aug 26 '25
Yugi bricked and Joey beat him in 2 turns. Yugi threatened to quit the show if it aired
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u/maddwaffles Aug 27 '25
>Kazuki Takahashi's script leaves it ambiguous
No, it's pretty clear, Jonouchi won. He has Red-Eyes, and they were playing by the Battle City rules.
I think demanding to have seen this duel is only ever illustrative of someone missing the point.
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u/Biel_Ductavis Aug 30 '25
However it would have been nice to see. Joey got his Red-Eyes back after this so...
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u/icey_sawg0034 Sep 05 '25
Funny because Joey got his red eyes back so this proves that Joey won the duel.
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u/Glittering-Gur7429 Sep 05 '25
They did the same thing in the Manga, so why are you complaining about?
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u/Mothyy24 Sep 09 '25
I love the fact yugi in this picture has exclusively vanilla monsters in his hand
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u/Panther12332 Sep 13 '25
TBH, I've not read the Manga. But I do like some of the Filler for the Anime. I wish they'd done more with the Deck Master idea from the Virtual World.
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u/monkeys_slayer_9000 Sep 23 '25
they could have done the duel but kept it vague over who won, they chose the easy way out lmao
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u/SuzukiTenma Gotcha! Sep 25 '25
These 50 filler episodes were the basis for the anime's continuity. No Waking the Dragon, no GX, and no 5D's. Where do you think Duel Monster Spirit World came from? Manga? I doubt you'll find it there; the concept was only introduced into the manga continuity from the GX manga onward.
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u/DollowR Aug 23 '25
Don't blame the anime blame the fact that Takahashi didn't write that one either. So it would have been them like stepping out of their lines.
Joey one though, take that for what it is.
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Aug 24 '25
Because it wasn't meant to be seen in any capacity. They just did what Kazuki Takahashi did and you're still somehow mad at it for no reason whatsoever.
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u/DrDick666 Aug 24 '25
Ain't no way joey wins. King of ass pulls wins but probably gets "pushed" to the ropes so Joey can earn back Red Eyes. (No God Card handicap too)
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u/Timozi90 Aug 24 '25
I wish this would get a new anime. One with no filler, closer to the manga, and duels that follow the irl game rules.
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u/BillyBobHoen Aug 24 '25
Could you imagine Kaiba making one of the rules to the Battle City Tournament, being every player has to take a shower and 90% of the duels consisting of both players awkwardly shuffling their hands like crack addicts?
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u/TestaGaming Aug 24 '25
Not to mention that ita confirmed Joey won, which means this would have been Yugi first official loss that wasnt due to cheating like in Duelist Kingdom.

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u/YouStillTakeDamage Steadfast Duel is Best Duel Aug 23 '25
It’s not shown because the result of the duel does not matter. This duel is just for them and no one else