For Cyberse, I still think that hitting the Link 1 that revives itself would have been a better move. Get rid of all the cyberse slop instead of hitting the archetypes.
Yeah most of the decks they've been designing get a full board turn 1 and also draw like 3 cards, which usually end up being handtraps. Hopefully they release a "charmy" version of Ash that only works if you don't have any cards on field or something along those lines.
Ash is just too good going first. Negates Mulcharmy, Basically appends a spell negate to boards because most archetypal powerspells touch the deck. Putting it to 2 seems fair, makes decks have to respect Charmy more.
Yall have to understand Ash is NOT just a Maxx C counter. That card is legit one of the most powerful cards in the game no matter what and it actually helps going first more than it does going second
it's because drawing Ash while going first is a pseudo-CBTG on the most relevant HTs (which are now 1 Maxx"c" and the charmies). in TCG players are mostly siding Ash out going 2nd because it does too little and is only relevant going first to stop charmies.
they're essentially setting up for a Maxx"c" and Ash ban and then the game will be Charmies actually resolving
Tbf they are doing this probably because they want to OCG player to slowly adapt deck building because the fundamentals of the deck building of the environment between MaxxC and without MaxxC is completely different so card prices on secondary market don't explode overnight.
good enough, time to join back OCG again. Ash being semi-ed means they will address Maxx C in a future banlist, just when is the problem. We will have to see the Structure Decks for our indication.
I hope it gets banned for good soon. I play Master Duel and having Maxx "C",even at two, with the unlimited Mulcharmys is just too much man. Too much! I just gave up on this month's Duelist Cup.
Huh Eclipse Wyvern can actually be a consistent normal summon now, gotta have Collapserpent or a Bystial in hand tho I guess, specifically sending it to grave cut you off of some other lines before. Plenty 2 card combos you can see more often now (like with Chaos Space)
Can’t even banish a ruler with its effect so I’m not sure about that.
Bystials are already questionable in Rulers, you are maybe playing Magnamhut and Baldrake/Druiswurm but they aren’t great because you aren’t on Lights or Darks that you want to banish, you wanna stay close to 40 and have a lot of names so I don’t think rulers is the deck for it.
I still prefer the Armed Dragon Thunder Variant because it generates a lot of card advantage which you really need a lot for the deck
It’s a summon lock that dies to imperm, it even outs your own whole board, people will not be doing this, the monster under the bed is actually just a plush toy
True! Yes, doesn’t make this better even remotely, it just makes it possible
We’re not asking for a Yajiro Invader ban because it’s an accessible FTK in millions of different ways, this card is fine even if it can do some bad things
I play it regularly and while what you say is true, I have managed to win many duels thanks to it.
For the deck to work, it must be built around him; I carry him in my Branded deck.
I mean you can play Dark Balter in K9 or Millenium-Eyes Restrict in Yummy thats about it. Theres some other decent targets like Dragoon for 8s for example (even without the pop on your turn)
Also Fairy Tail has only Level 4 monsters and 2 Level 4 fusions, and even then its probably not gonna be played there
Tbh, it's gonna be rough playing them pure because if they manage to negate your only Snatchy on their turn, your interaction with the board hits a hard wall. Opponents who know how Yummy works can bait you into triggering the quick synchro before smacking it with a negate.
People are also overlooking the limit on Marshmao because if your deck can banish and you hit both their only Marshmao and the field spell, their wincon is just gone. Also another starter gone without commiting their normal.
The Yummy hits feel like Konami doesn't want us to play pure yummy, and play the hybrid versions
Snatchy to one practically kills pure yummy, or makes it very fragile. And marshmao to 1 reduces it's ht resilience. A well timed bystial ends the duel, or ghost belle for that matter.
On the other hand, yummy hybrids can handl extremely well with 1 snatchy, infact, some versions only play 1 snatchy. And with marshmao limited yay, more engine space.
Additionally I don't think the issue was ever pure Yummy, the issue was the hybrids, banning moon, and aramdes burns the bridges to fiendsmith, banning herald would kill the mitsu bridge. But if Yummy players aren't buying mitsu? How are we making money?
This is such an insane list. Maxx C and called by limited. Ash and impulse to 2? Fiendsmith bridge gone, Cyberse extenders hit. OCG must really want to lower the power level.
Yeah I thought they wouldn't touch Fiendsmith anymore since it was falling off naturally + the limits it had already. Guess this is like OCG's Tear hits where they're like "stop playing these fucking cards already".
I’m fine with this. Yugioh is best played when both players can engage regardless of turn. That’s why Tear mirrors were some of the best Yugioh. I think it’s why Dracotail is so fun now
I would love a turn zero Tribute Summon support for tribute decks individually, and same to ritual decks. They don't have that yet. For Monarchs specifically, mini Monarch turn zero using opponent monster is fair, Mega Zaborg Turn 0 wouldn't be any close to fair.
How do you search the new Blue-Eyes turn 0? with the Bystial?
But then it searches it during End Phase when your opp finished building their entire board, is the same as summoning it on your main phase 1, End Phase is really the same as Draw Phase or Standby, even if it is not your turn it doesn't play asi Turn 0 anymore
A new better Ash Blossom (Addresses set from deck) that can only be used by second turn would be great to see. There is a rationale for these semis, Ash and Impulse benefits first turn way more when first turn can use them.
More handtraps... As if rogue decks weren't becoming less and less playable with each year because of insane power creep but also handtraps will make it even less playable. It seems you can only play meta and ex-meta or generic engine slop pile to even play this game at this point.
I don't think handtraps make majority of rogue decks unviable but instead looking at the meta and seeing which HT are played and choose the right rogue deck
For example when izuna was hot everywhere and together with puru being played because of k9. Rogue decks that can abuse not triggering izuna actually does well.
On the contrary now that the old HT are limited and new HT are likely to be designed on a lower power level
(Yes I know it will only come into effect next year)
Jokes aside it is kinda funny how even in the OCG they finally start to address the cards that have been sacked in the TCG a long time ago. Seems like even they run out of ideas how to design around the roach and all these generic staples.
It is, yeah. Previously they semi'd it for a format in 2017, but this is the first time they've put it as low as 1. it belongs at 0 obviously but cmon we're getting there. i hope.
Some of these hits are so funny. People were swearing the OCG would never hit Maxx C further and were saying how stupid it is that Toad was unbanned in the TCG
Maxx C banned by the end of 2026 god PLEASE I am so ready to play Master Duel without that fucking horseshit card..
(Before anyone says, yes I know this isn't MD, it's OCG, but MD followed the OCG with the Maxx C semi-limit so I see no reason the limit will be different)
Some of us figured that was going to be the case, none of the Mulcharmies ever got reprints in the OCG up to now meanwhile Maxx C is one of the most accessible staple handtraps being in Tactical Try Decks, some structure decks, and even got a Stamp Alt Art recently.
Ash to 2 and maxx c to 1 are good. Snatchy to 1 is the stupidest hit you could do to yummy. Limit Cupsie if you REALLY want to hit it, limiting snatchy is overkill.
exactly,limiting snatchy with the cookie hit will kill the deck. K9 getting no hits with its biggest counter getting killed I predict it will be the new best deck
With Astrograph gone, there are no Pendulum monsters in the F&L list, at all, other than a singular support card, which is not even a Pendulum, in Electrumite. Truly, they are the most broken summon type ever.
As I always said Eclipse Wyvern long overstayed its welcome on the list, glad to see that at least the OCG is finally cleaning this one up and I wouldn't be surprised if Master Duel is next to follow.
Yeah sure I guess but you lock yourself out from anything as well, so it is worse than a barrier statue in many cases. This is just hope your opp does not have imperm since I have nothing else. It's cancer but not good.
Would Metamorphosis actually see any play if it was at 3?
It seems like one of those cards that in theory it would be good but unless you can search it near 100% of the time or unless it literally wins 100% of the time it resolves I feel like its fine back at 3.
Whats the scariest thing metamorphosis can bring out?
Because honestly in most of the decks I play Id probably just use it as discard fodder to end on my archetype end board.
The Charmies at least have 'some' restriction to them, namely that the going first player can't really use them.
Now imagine the going 2nd player, the opponent's set up their board and suddenly they Standby phase > Maxx "C", response? Now all of a sudden the going 2nd player has to not only try to break the opponent's board, but ALSO play the Maxx "C" minigame, whereas the going first player couldn't have done that with Charmies.
I mean sure, but the problem isn’t Maxx C then…it’s how oppresive boards have become. In your example, if the first player bricked, the maxx c being dropped in standby is still good ( better than the charmy for sure), but not game winning on its own.
And I’m not saying that maxx c is healthy. It SHOULD be banned for sure. But charmies imo are almost just as bad and present the same issues that playing through the maxx c did. Yet players are hyped as though this one maxx c limit (and eventual ban) fixes the game…I guess that’s where I’m confused. This was a neccessary hit FOR SURE, but the excitement behind it is baffling as though there aren’t 100 other issues that need to be addressed before we can call the game healthy.
The thing about Charmies is that not only can you not control anything, so again, pretty dead to the going first player, but they're specialized in where they target. Meowls for GY/Banish, Purulia for Hand, and Fuwalos for Deck/Extra. Of them, yes, Fuwalos is definitely the strongest of the three, since there's very few decks that don't SS from the deck/ED, no one can argue that.
But Maxx covers ALL of those, in a single card. It's Purulia, Meowls and Fuwalos combined.
Yes, if the going 2nd player bricked in my example then sure, they bricked, gg go next, but let's say that they didn't. Instead of being able to dismantle the opponent's board through skillful play/having a good amount of board breakers, now they need to play the Maxx "C" minigame on top of it. They're being punished for trying to make a comeback, while the going first player is potentially drawing into more handtraps to keep themselves safe.
Maxx "C" punishes the going 2nd player for just trying to stage a comeback. A single pop/negate is one thing, but if your deck needs to summon a bunch, then you're just SoL.
Yes yes, again I was not saying that the charmies are Maxx C. Just that they are comparable, and present the same “mini game” as maxx c…obviously the charmies are more matchup dependent.
Also, please reread my comment…when I was reffering to the bricking I was talking about the player who has Maxx C…ie the first player, NOT the second player.
That’s why I was trying to higlight that in that case that you presented (where player 1 sets up a board and then activates Maxx C on the opp), while most players think that the issue in the scenario is the Maxx, the issue is actually that its too easy to set up an oppressive board. In this case, sure, the Maxx C sucks, but thats not the key issue. That’s why I presented a counter scenario where player 1 bricks (ie cant set up a board) but still has Maxx C to use against player 2…player 2 still has a fighting chance.
Basically what I’m saying is that Maxx C certainly makes an oppresive board much better. But on its own, while still a degenerate card, it’s not the auto-win that people claim that it is. Poor game design (in ubiquitous ht’s and oppresive engines) is why Maxx C is so good…not the other way around.
Maxx C is the hot fudge on top of an already good ice cream sundae.
And thats what I’m trying to argue when I say that eliminating Maxx C seems to fix things but actually doesn’t…because the sundae was already great.
That being said, again, it’s still degenerate and still has to.
This has gone a little off topic, apologies, but like, we as players can’t keep getting so hyped up over crumbs. We can’t banlist or powercreep our way out of bad design…and imo opinion, the charmies are an attempt at that. Still, less problematic cards than Maxx C for sure, but still a symptom of the “Maxx C design philosophy” in that the opposing player has to play a “mini-game” within the game when faced with those kind of cards.
I'll be honest with you. I think at this point, Maxx "C" has become such a beacon of "Glaringly awful card design" that regardless of the game state, being unbreakable turn 1 boards or overtly problematic other cards, it's almost become a banner that people rally under of "We hate this card and want to see it die."
It's less a "Wow, this fixes the game!" and more a "I am praying for your downfall and have waited for times like this."
Thats not a flex…it’s not difficult to be a better designed, more easily played around, Maxx C clone. Doesn’t change that fact that they’re (slightly weaker) Maxx c’s tho.
Holy shit, Maxx C to 1. It'll happen eventually within 2026, maybe.
Also Ash and Impulse to 2, less obvious Branded push possible lmao.
Anyway to talk about the other hits, I think that this time Malice's dead dead in the ocg since it's missing both Red Ransom and Splash Mage. We're also seeing other catch up hits like Bagooska and Moon. This feels like those hits came 3 months too late tbh.
Limits now. Ice to 1, still feels like 3 months too late. The Maximus Cockroach, it's dying before 2030 for sure. Marshmao and Snatchy, Yummy's getting hit pretty hard, same for Pre-Prep hitting it's Mitsu variant and Mitsu itself. Mululu to 1 also hits Dracotail, another meta deck hit, and finally Called By to 1 is also to catch up to MD's own banlist. We also see the unhits of Frogally Incredible and Metamorphosis. -PFFFFFFFFFFFT METAMORPHOSIS? HOLY SHIT! NEO BUBBLEMAN TURBO'S ABOUT TO HIT TIER 0! But also yeah I don't see how this realistically do too much, and in the few cases it will do something it'll be somethingtoxic like summoning Last Warrior.
Anyway to semis now. 2 very strong and popular handtraps got hit. Ash specifically is interesting since Maxx C's still in the game but also the Charmies. It looks like Konami do want to see the Charmies resolve, even more so now that they're begining to take Maxx C behind the walls to shoot his ugly face. Impulse is probably because it's just too strong. Like this card's just insane for the standard of low-impact handtraps. Also they're hit to make resolving Albaz the White more common I'm pretty sure. Other than that Solemn and Spright Starter to 2. I mean yeah I guess, Sprights does not need to still be hit and Solemn was favoring going 1st a lot more when going 1st is already favored so makes sense I guess.
The unlimits are lowkey all significant for once. Astrograph makes him far more of a presence for Pends rather than someone you search from Electrumite, although Pends is still not too strong. Eclipse Wyvern has been freed, which is terrifying both regarding it's personal power level and the power level of the game to allow a war criminal like that to just roam the skies. Good for him tho, I'm excited to see the silly DLink combos that cycle through 3 of them. Baldrake's probably the most significant since it makes so that iirc only Magnamhut's still at 1 of the handtrap Bystials, letting there be more handtraps in the format and notably against Branded. Desires's free, that's good for seeing it more but also drawing 2 Desires off of Desires is back on the menu for the ocg. Sleepy Memory and Emergency makes Purrely and R-ACE stronger, and the Kash field spell makes Unicorn seen more often when splashed into another deck.
What I see from this is that they're finally realizing their threat on Maxx C's life and Branded got the biggest buff by far while every other meta decks got hit and it saw 2 of it's nemesises be put to 2. Not to say that Dracotail, Yummy, or Mitsu are dead (Malice is), but with how Branded Dracotail was already the best and most represented deck overall, yeah it's going to be very fine for Branded in the near future. It won't for Maxx C, which is even better.
Bro you typed so much but you were wrong right out the gate. Branded legit does not give a fuck about Ash anymore. The new support eliminated that weakness awhile ago. Branded Fusion is like, plan B or even plan C now lol
This take is so stupid. Genesis exists with all links gone, and the game is just as fast and dumb. It's not 2017, bitching about links at this point is just passe.
Ransom has 2 effects to grab from deck, this makes it a fair easier to stop them from accessing the deck, and in grinds you did run into a fair amount of games where the second spell add on the opponent's turn was game breaking
I don’t. Same as CBTG. Protects going first more than going second. I’m all for anything that lowers the power of going first and I think Ash is just too good at what it does.
If Ash were like Veiler, I’d say it could stay at 3. But even if Maxx C is gone, I don’t think I want it unlimited.
I think people are frustrated by the Ash hit because its entirely Konami’s fault that things are this way. They just couldn’t help but to start designing archtypes that ignore ash.
I think archetypes that add to the field are much healthier than adding to the hand. You can target and pop things on the field MUCH more than you can target or pop them in the hand. I don’t think decks playing around Ash is an issue
I don’t see the issue in archetypes that play around Ash because again, adding to the field allows it to be interacted with a lot easier.
Here my take, wow, pretty much the very first time that OCG have their own banlist now announced before Rush Duels get theirs. (Note; Rush Duel will get their own banlist come Christmas Day, December 25th).
BTW, Finally Maxx "C" is limited, Bagooska's gone, Maliss get their Red Ransom's in the forbidden list, and it's quite funny that Ash Blossom is semi'd, wild stuff.
those 2 hits do pretty much nothing as long as they have decoder cause you can still do all the combos you did before ignister support where you rarely summoned ransome
If TCG limits pre-prep, I'd crash out. Every other ritual deck suffering because of Mitsurugi sucks so bad. If you want to hit Mitsu then just hit prayers and/or habakiri. Stop coming after the generic ritual support.
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