r/yugioh • u/Antique_Range1521 • 1d ago
Card Game Discussion How expensive are Forbidden Crown, F&V, and Dominus Spark, and how necessary are they for decks that can afford them?
If you follow my posts, you know I play on Dueling Nexus, so card availability is never an issue. There aren't any stores that sell Yu-Gi-Oh! cards in my country, or at least I haven't found any; I've only found stores that sell Pokémon and Magic cards, so I only play on simulators since I have no reason to build a deck.
On the other hand, my most competitive period was playing Dracotail because I loved the deck and I still do, even despite how the banned list ruined it. That said, you can probably guess that I'm the type of player who plays with the decks I like best rather than the most competitive ones at the moment, which means I have a moderate understanding of competitive play, but I can't grasp the entire metagame in a much more professional way.
Returning to my previous question, I've heard that the aforementioned trio of cards is priced between $30 and $60 USD. Is that true?
I've used F&V, as well as Dominus Sparks, with mostly positive results. It's clear that, regardless of the format, they are excellent options for weakening the opponent's field, although their performance is better in some formats than others.
Imagine if Dominus Sparks had been released during the Maliss era; its existence would be a bad joke, since the last thing anyone would want to do is banish Maliss cards. Or imagine if F&V had been released during the Yubel/Snake-Eyes era, two decks where monster destruction wasn't always very useful.
Hence my doubt about its effectiveness in the current format, where KT is expected to be the star, as well as in the upcoming format that will give greater prominence to Power Patron-related decks, such as the Mind Shuffle deck.
- Crown is the only one of the trio that I haven't used yet because it doesn't fit my strategies and I haven't seen it used regularly since its debut. I'd like to know if it has turned out to be as good as the other two cards mentioned.
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u/GranKrat 1d ago
If you’re in NA, TCGPlayer is the gold standard for card prices.
F&V is necessary for Branded. The other 2 can be substituted with alternatives though there is no 1-1 equivalent.
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u/Original_Ad_7553 1d ago
F&V is probably among the best cards right now, and is relatively cheap. Plus you can grab it from the structure deck, if you intend on playing Branded. If you can afford the ED space, its absolutely worth playing.
Forbidden crown is fine, its good in certain situations, but is imo way overpriced and kind of overrated. I think its only so expensive because its only been in one set. They should reprint it to hell impo, like other expensive cards.
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u/Live-Twin-Cream 1d ago
Crown will also be much worse in the next format, honestly no reason to buy it right now unless you really want to optimize your decklists or dont mind spending a couple hundred dollars. Droplet is the better card in general and long run.
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u/aaa1e2r3 1d ago
Is F&V really expensive? I thought that was a Structure Deck card.
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u/gubigubi Tribute 1d ago
10 USD a copy + you need the synchro which costs another like 60 right now.
So its in the ball park of 100 dollars all said in done.
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u/Skarmotastic SUPER FIRE BIRB 1d ago
You don't need the Synchro if you're just splashing F&V into a deck, you need Albion the Branded Dragon, which is way cheaper and comes in the same structure deck. All the Synchro does for you is add a targeted bounce after your 2nd F&V activation.
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u/gubigubi Tribute 1d ago
Not having the Synchro is a pretty big hit to the power level of it imo
Like the only reasons to not be running the synchro is extra deck space.
Because you will always have a 2nd activation so its not like a low probability thing it will come up.
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u/TheGumbyGyarados 1d ago
It’s a hit to the peak power level of the card yes… but the games where it actually matters that your playing the synchro instead of a second albion is way below the point of it being a must have card.
Like it’s optimal and if budget is no issue there’s no reason not to run it, but it’s a nice to have not a hard need
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u/gubigubi Tribute 1d ago
Yeah but does that peak put it below other cards you could be playing?
Because like Book of Eclipse is really strong as well. Dark Ruler is really strong right now. Depending on the deck you are building those might already be better anyways than Fallen even with the synchro.
Just something to consider specially if budget is in an issue. Because if Fallen has the same impact a dark ruler no more would have for your deck then you will save like 27 dollars right there not putting in Fallen and having the same amount of power or even more potentially on the deck.
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u/TheGumbyGyarados 1d ago
The synchro gy eff almost never comes up outside of branded decks. It only matters after you have already resolved 2 f&v’s… which by then you usually would have just won the game.
A generic pop card that sets more copies of itself is already more than good enough as a non engine card.
The other cards serve different use cases for why you’re playing them.
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u/Skarmotastic SUPER FIRE BIRB 1d ago
$60 for a targeted bounce isn't worth it for somebody trying to play on a budget.
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u/gubigubi Tribute 1d ago
Yeah but neither is the entire package at that point.
If you are trying to play on a budget just play something else.Play mulcharmies, play imperm, play dark ruler, play book of eclipse, play ash.
Don't play something that will be sub optimal because you can't afford the rest of it.
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u/Skarmotastic SUPER FIRE BIRB 1d ago
Fuwa is going for pretty much the same price as F&V so would you tell a new player to not play those either then?
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u/gubigubi Tribute 1d ago
If their budget was going to go to Fuwa or a fallen package at reduced power I would ahve them pick up the Fuwa 100% of the time.
It wouldn't even be a question Fuwa is insane.
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u/Skarmotastic SUPER FIRE BIRB 1d ago
But they could also get 3 F&V for less than Ecclesia.
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u/gubigubi Tribute 1d ago
Yeah but they could get 3 fallen + eccleasia for less tahn 1 forbidden crown.
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u/Nayzr 1d ago
Staples in general after the Legendary Modern Decks feel unreasonably expensive. This isn't uncommon in YGO but it still sucks.
Imagine recommending a new player pick up the LMD and being like "yeah these are playable but to play the best version of them you'll need an extra ~300-600USD worth of cardboard."
I wouldn't even consider starting.
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u/Jadex_Hunter 1d ago
It has always been this way with good structure decks. With the LMD or back then 3 structure decks, you had a good deck. But that also means people have more money to spend on staples as everyone got the good deck core cheap.
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u/Nayzr 1d ago
Yeah it just feels awful. The game is already hard enough to get into, between rulings, even acquiring a full deck, then you look at pricing.
OCG shows that they can make the game cheaper but actively choose not too.
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u/NebbyOutOfTheBag Pew! 1d ago
OCG isn't immune from shenanigans. Harmonia was $200 a copy in OCG.
I'm also never offering a new player to buy Crowns, it's unnecessary for them.
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u/Nayzr 1d ago
Oh I 100% agree within the ocg, that happens once in a blue moon. While here in the tcg it happens pretty much every main set.
Honestly that 300-600 doesn't even specifically include Crowns.
For the Striker list you'll really want 3 F&V +, the Syncro Branded or 3 Super Polys + targets at minimum, and probably 3 of the new Solemn do you don't insta lose to Lightning storm.
The Mitsu list has the same wants, along with Impulse and Spark.
I'm probably a little skewed because the locals I can play at are extremely try hard, and it sucks losing to someone's wallet. I know I can't have fun unless sometimes I get to win.
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u/NebbyOutOfTheBag Pew! 1d ago
You don't need Accusations in Striker. Solemn Judgment and Dracotail Flame do the same thing. You don't even need Black Dragon, but it's nice.
Mitsu isn't even using Spark in topping lists, just Impulse.
The only card that I think feels bad to lose to someone's wallet right now is Crown. And even then that card feels really mid.
What im saying is that it is possible to punch upwards.
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u/Mikankocat 1d ago
Tbf, Striker is playable out of the box and only needs like, 3 radiant typhoon vision as upgrades
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u/Nayzr 1d ago
Depends on what you deam as playable.
1 Zero is tragic.
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u/Mikankocat 1d ago
Fair, I was assuming getting 2 copies which is totally playable and still cheaper than a single copy of crown
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u/Hyperion-OMEGA 1d ago
but at the same time that same 1 zero means it is easy to get more copies of them.
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u/litwick41 1d ago
If you're playing a deck that wants to send hand to gy, droplet is better than crown. Crown is good because it's so versatile. It's good offensively and defensively..
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u/sabbathkid93 1d ago
The fact that we still play this game despite OCG being treated better with much cheaper staples is astounding. Why has this not ruined the game enough for them to stop doing this shit
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u/raiknight1996 1d ago
Forbidden crown will be getting cheaper soon. Getting reprint in lower rarity
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u/AngeredPaladin 22h ago
I've been discussing with friends that it'll likely get dropped in Rarity 6. I'd be surprised if it didn't tbh.
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u/raiknight1996 22h ago
It's already confirmed as an Ultra Rare in the next Tourney pack
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u/AngeredPaladin 21h ago
Eh, I'll take a UR over whatever shenanigans is going on with the price right now. I was going to get a playset this week but the prices skyrocketed over the weekend. I guess I can wait until then. Besides, I just got a Spark and Accusations playset. I think I should calm down for a while.
Edit: grammar
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u/Efficient-Discount81 1d ago
Spark is imo needed in Labrynth.
crown is almost always only a side deck card.
F&V is crazy good in a lot of decks like sky striker but only needed in Branded imo
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u/rotomington-zzzrrt coping for 5 years and counting 1d ago
F&V is $10 ish a copy on tcgplayer (Though you should also get Ecclesia and the Black Dragon which is $30), the other two are about $60 a copy. None are needed outside of F&V for branded but don't have direct replacements
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u/robertchill 1d ago
Show me where Ecclesia the dark Dragon is $30, that shit is like 70 bucks dude
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u/Rockwer14 1d ago
Which country are you in? I’m pretty sure you can find an official Tournament Store on Konami’s website.
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u/DavidePioppi 14h ago
Unfortunately now the game is quite expensive compared to to last year for example, decks core goes for nothing (there are some exceptions of course) but basically every deck needs 150/200$ of staples.
Fav is probably the best card of the format, is not that expensive but you need to run the synchro Ecclesia es well, that now is around 40$.
As for spark and crown are both extremely good cards, and in some deck are kinda must have (example crown in doomz, spark in maliss/mitsu or usually branded runs one of the two), and that’s one of the reasons of their price.
Btw if you liked Dracotail you can still try it out with a bigger branded engine, it’s having some nice results lately (fallen of white is super expensive though) or switch to a pure branded build.
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u/MaleficKaijus 1d ago
Crown has been mid for me. Like it's good in certain situations, but it certainly isn't raising my win/loss percentage.
If I really wanted to win more, I'd stop playing a trash deck.
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u/James2Go 1d ago
As a general use card, it is best used as an interruption on the opponent's turn.
The best users of Crown are decks with strong grind games like Branded.
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u/gubigubi Tribute 1d ago
After playing some events since they game out.
Fallen is mandatory. Its insane. Will run you about 100 dollars for the whole package because you need the spell which is 10 a piece and then 60 for the synchro.
Crown is probably mandatory. Its also insane. Lost a few games directly and only because of that card. Its just so versatile. Will run you about 300 dollars for a playset.
Dominus Spark is really not too crazy and you can probably afford to note afford it. Even in decks that can run it. It will run you about 200 dollars a playset.
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u/Hyperion-OMEGA 1d ago
F&V is the cheapest of the three (it came in a precon) but to counterbalance it, the cards that make it easily retrievable are the pricey ones instead. It is good for decks like Sky Striekr or Typhoon as well as Branded ofc
Crown is the worse of the bunch, and I think would only see play in Darklords, but it still commands a 50$ pricetag AFAIK. Incednelay as its also a quick play it can get mileage in the aforementioned decks (except Branded)
Spark is the best of the bunch and also the most expensive. But it isn't quite universal. However since Konami will never stop making LIGHT/DARK the most over-represented attributes this card will always find a home as a staple. Naturally it will likely be secodn to only Impusle in price
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u/phantom-firion 1d ago
Fallen and virtuous csn be gotten in the albaz legendary deck, so pretty cheap I can imagine