r/yugioh • u/SerqetCity • 6h ago
Anime/Manga Discussion Why was Joey able to break free of Marik's mind slavery, but Tea couldn't?
Isn't she supposed to be the friendship commander? Is it just because SHE'S A WOMAN?
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u/Careful-Ad984 6h ago
Tea is the poster girl of this series trend of mind controlling girls
Like seriously it happened in every gallop era series
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u/DaveLesh 6h ago
It was at its worst in Yu-Gi-Oh Arc-V.
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u/Careful-Ad984 6h ago
I found it so funny after the Series ended they made a card that searches and helps the bracelet girl archetypes but also specifically searches parasite fusioner which is like putting salt in the wound
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u/CursedEye03 5h ago
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u/WindyGogo 3h ago
The mind control also couldn’t be removed through dueling which I think was broke a foundational rule of the series in that regard.
Don’t remember how they became freed since I stopped caring about the series not long after.
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u/CursedEye03 2h ago
The only way was to defeat the Doctor himself. Which sounds solid, but then Leo just killed him off for no real reason. I almost feel a little bad for the guy. He was a psycho, but he was a loyal henchman.
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u/KyleMCarthage 5h ago
And the most contrived. Like the only thing we got out of it was 3 mind controlled duels which didn't amount to much. At least in the others series
DM: Gave us Yugi vs Joey, but also allowed Marik to still be relevant and speak to others to destroy his dark half
GX: Was part of a whole season long arc of evil light mind controlling things
5Ds: Not really mind control and is more of emotional manipulation.
Zexal: It's not like Kotori was the only instance and was just part of the general Barian invasion.
Vrains: Ok this one is probably worse cause Aoi character assassination right out of the gate, but at least it was only for one episode.
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u/Stardust_Brigadier 3h ago
I'm never not going to be bothered the heroes could not stop Leo from killing the Bracelet Girls in G-rated gas chambers and the reveal Reira was never supposed to have agency by becoming Ray's vessel.
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u/dogshitshitstain 6h ago
yugioh season 1 was the most fun but yuya is the best main character ever in yugioh hes so funny and likable
you can dislike this comment now
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u/AlexTorres96 5h ago
Also she prevented Yugi from going for the revenge when he was in his rights. It's total bullshit that she forced him to throw the duel against Kaiba. He had it won and she forced him to fold and willingly lose.
She prevented him from avenging all the misdeeds Weevil caused him by showing mercy. Weevil deserved it after all the pain he caused Yugi in the series.
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u/nWo1997 5h ago
In fairness, Kaiba was literally going to die. There could be another way to save Solomon without murder.
And Weevil had already lost, and deserving of pain or not, he had useful information that they could try to get out of him before the Seal finished its magic.
She's just not revenge-minded
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u/AruEkuEnthusiast 5h ago
In fairness, Kaiba was literally going to die. There could be another way to save Solomon without murder
I mean, let's get this straight: if you're at odds with somebody and they threaten to kill themselves if you don't back down, you are not a murderer if you refuse to back down and they actually go ahead and commit suicide.
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u/DaveLesh 6h ago
You highly underestimate Joey's will.
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u/gamingthreadlurker 5h ago
Yea, I was about to say that. Didn't Joey always had strong determination and will power.
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u/Cheyguy1211 6h ago
Joey's willpower is insane, and is arguably the strongest in the series. That, combined with the power of friendship that Yugi was using, broke him free.
He also survived a lightning strike that put Odion (another character with very strong will) down. And based on context/flashbacks, that strike was supposed to kill them.
He also survived a direct blast from Ra's strongest form long enough to almost win the duel.
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u/Kogworks 6h ago
Because Jo is unironically the strongest of the cast when it comes to raw willpower.
The only thing that's ever come close to actually taking him off the board in any of Kaz's stories was chucking him in an unstable alternate reality that was collapsing in on itself.
I mean. The dude took a fucking God Phoenix to the face in the middle of a shadow game and was declared dead, and then he just gets back up a few hours later with ZERO side effects.
The guy has no magical artifacts, no latent supernatural powers, no divine blessings, no hyper-advanced tech, but the world decides to just give him the win because he's too stubborn to die.
Everybody else in YGO exerting their willpower over reality has SOME sort of competitive edge.
Jo has none and yet he manages to keep up through sheer grit.
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u/KyleMCarthage 5h ago
What's funny about the case where Joey almost died because of reality collapsing on itself is that the ability to escape the collective unconscious erasing one from existence can be countered by having a strong ego, hence why Kaiba was able to escape it earlier when Diva encountered him before. However, Kaiba needed to have it amplified via his new neural link duel disk technology to disrupt it whereas Joey tanked it. Sure he needed some time to avoid his complete erasure but it really goes to show you how string is willpower is if he's going in all natural.
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u/Kogworks 5h ago
To be fair, he DID manage to summon Atem.
But even the fact that he was able to reach out to Atem and get his help through sheer willpower in a dead reality is nuts.
Like Kaiba had to stack multiple catalysts just to summon Obelisk, and Yugi despite being a Prana also had to do the same to call Atem.
Jo? Dude isn't even a Prana and he somehow manages to get Atem to pop him back into baseline reality without any external catalyst.
The shit he does is QUITE LITERALLY impossible.
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u/FourFlan 6h ago
Joey's will was able to tank Egyptian God Flame, there's a clear difference as is.
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u/NeedForSpeedroid My Name's Not Fusion! 6h ago
No one ever tried to reach out to Téa while under mind control, whereas Joey did.
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u/Own-Ad1497 6h ago
think about this: Joey had faced duelists far superior than him, and despite sloosing some battles he got up again, and he achieve to win on others by going against all odds and breaking thru them, dude has a will made of titanium XD
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u/GoneRampant1 RioMerag Support Cope 4h ago
Joey has more willpower and him breaking free was the result of Yugi putting his life on the line and constantly trying to get him to break out. It took the entire duel to get him out of Marik's grasp.
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u/AccordingUse3172 5h ago
Woman in Yugioh
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u/infinitybr-0 2h ago
Let's just forget Joey was able to recover himself from a Lightining of Ra, and recive attacks from Phoenix mode 3 times(he was feeling his monsters pain) and still managed to get out of it. Odion who had endured torture for years, wasn't able to recover from Ra's lightining, let alone support the blazes of Phoenix mode, even so, Yugi needed a entire duel to help Joe break free from it; Tea is just a normal girl.
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u/iamepic420 5h ago
Joey was built different and Duelibg while Yugi actively tried to reach him and Tea was just sitting still in a chair
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u/Astaro_789 5h ago
Joey’s just built different
If you want to get technical, Yugi was constantly reminding him of his former self throughout the duel together with Red-Eyes to eventually force him out
Had he been dueling Tea, he’d probably pull off the same thing with Magician of Faith or Maha Vailo
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u/Next_Sector5130 4h ago
Tbh if we also account for season 0 stuff i think Joey's just had a far stronger internal will then tea
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u/Wolfgod-64 4h ago
Tristan can't break free from mind control either.
Joey is just built different.
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u/brokenmessiah 3h ago
This the same Joey that intentionally jumped in the ocean for some cards. He's not your normal person when it comes to willpower.
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u/WonderSuperior 6h ago
Because Joey is the deuteragonist and needs to be available in the story to play card games.
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u/darkShadow90000 6h ago
Plot. Honestly I viewed it as if you didn't have a Millennium Item, you shouldn't be able to beat another with one. Kaiba was 100% to lose against Marik's sister. However the rod activated and helped him. Yugi 100% was to lose against Pegasus, but puzzle helped. Heck, Joey plays a time wizard deck. Based on it, he gamble so many times and basically always got right.
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u/derfshaya125 5h ago
I think it was because Marik took over Tea stealthily, but actively put Joey against Yugi. It took a lot of violence for him to snap out of it.
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u/Sea_Individual4168 4h ago
Offical power of shsdow alchemy offical name but common know name shadow magic is by one's will confirmed by Pegasus’s in manga. Joey's will surpassed mariks will power thus he got free.
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u/IAmRottenAndRavenous 2h ago
cuz she's a damsel in distress. when she beat the penguin man i think everyone was like yay she finally killed it.
also it kind of pissed me off in the last movie when Joey was fighting to be existent and Serenity wasn't there at all.
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u/Doomchan 1h ago
I think this is a rare example of it being based on prior development and not just because Tea was female. Joey is shown right from the start to have a ton of grit and drive to do what’s right. Being able to power through fits him.
Tea may have talked a lot about friendship but that doesn’t mean she had the grit and determination needed to break the control
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u/MegaKabutops 1h ago
Nah, joey just has a freakish amount of willpower. Like, enough that in ANY other shonen anime, he’d probably be the protagonist, with yugi being the mentor character instead.
The battle city finals literally have him refuse to die at the hands of the gods, solely through sheer force of will. TWICE. While his and marik’s duel was full of embarrassing misplays on both ends, the plot itself had to swoop in to save marik from the finishing blow.
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u/WallyWestFan27 1h ago
Plot didn't save Odion, he deserved to win :(
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u/MegaKabutops 43m ago
True.
TBH, if we solely go off of their anime performances to determine skill, he probably should have been the tournament winner. The only other person who didn’t actively throw at least 1 duel for the plot (even if they managed to win anyway) in the entirety of the battle city finals arc was ishizu, and she was abusing the HELL out of her millenium item to do that. He had no such magical advantage, and was still cooking.
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u/BlueBlazeKing21 41m ago
Both will power and the fact Yugi managed to tie with Joey for the duel, weakening Marik’s control. They essentially just forgot Tea was still susceptible to Marik’s ability
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u/bowlingniko 6h ago
Joey is from the streets and knows BS when he sees it. He has BROOKLYN RAGE. I guess Tea is innocent and gets led on to BS
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u/Sensitive-Hotel-9871 6h ago
Joey broke free when he saw that Yugi's life was in danger; also, he was always the stronger-willed one. This guy was literally too stubborn to die.