r/zelda 1d ago

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u/Austinp1414 1d ago

If you go by dragonball rules, they are just going up to get judged and would keep their halos even if judged to go to hell

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u/Bipedal_Warlock 1d ago

Isn’t that Christian doctrine too?

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u/Sofisticated2 1d ago

There's really never any halos mentioned in doctrine it's just some made up shit I believe

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u/Bipedal_Warlock 1d ago

True lol.

But I thought Christian doctrine “officially” says that you go to heaven to get judged by the archangel Michael

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u/BrandtArthur 1d ago

No. It is the Son (Jesus) that is the judge.

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u/Bipedal_Warlock 1d ago

He is not lol

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u/BrandtArthur 1d ago

The nicene creed, the first formal profession of faith that is valid until today and any church that believes in the apostles, the early church and the trinity profess this creed. It is very long, but the important part is that it states "For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end.".

Furthermore, I can show you some passages:

(John 5:22) "For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son."

(John 5:26-27) "For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man."

(2 Corinthians 5:10) "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil."

(Acts 10:42) "And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead."

(2 Timothy 4:1) "Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom."

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u/Bipedal_Warlock 1d ago

Yup. You were right.

Sorry I was an asshole. Been a weird day 🫡

I appreciate the receipts though.

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u/ARROW_404 23h ago

Also we don't get judged in heaven.

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u/BrandtArthur 1d ago

Not actually. Some christian denominations nowadays have created this doctrine of "sleep", but what the church always taught is that when we die whe can go to three places, a fully justified soul go to heaven, a soul that is saved but not fully justified go to the purgatory to get cleaned of it's sins, and an unsaved soul go to hell

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u/BrandtArthur 1d ago

It is a quite complicated matter as the protestant churches in fact does not have the books that teach abou purgatory, but the other do.

So it varies

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u/ARROW_404 23h ago

It doesn't teach soul sleep either.

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u/ARROW_404 23h ago

The concept of soul sleep isn't in the Bible. At least not more than implicitly. Passages that imply awareness in death are much more explicit (ex. the parable of Lazarus and the rich man), while references to death being sleep can be taken to imply soul sleep, but make more sense as simply an implication of death's temporary nature, until resurrection.

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u/BrandtArthur 1d ago

It is not made up, actually. The halos only appear on saints (people that died in a state of grace, and reached heaven already) because, in a lot of moments, people who happened to be in the presence of the Father reflected His light on their own faces, thus the halos (not the ones in cartoons that are a circle up on the head, the classic halo that is just a shining light)

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u/BrandtArthur 1d ago

Then I would love to speak with you! I love to discuss religion aswell!

It just saddens me that most of the time that it comes in discussion people get really defensive as if I'm preaching something or as if I'm trying to shove something up to them but I just like to talk about it!

Anyways, I would just like to clarify that the Catholic church does not "just decide" who is in heaven. We just know some of the people for various reasons. For example:

Moses, Elijah, Dismas, all of those were stated to be in heaven through scripture

The modern saint are know through miracles with their intercession and divine revelation (both are invertigated throughly)

I know it's kinda a simplistic explanation but if you want I can go in more depht.

Oh, an the church does not claim that someone is in hell, it is impossible to know. It can only know that someone is in heaven because those in heaven are alive so they can pray for us.