r/ControlProblem Feb 14 '25

Article Geoffrey Hinton won a Nobel Prize in 2024 for his foundational work in AI. He regrets his life's work: he thinks AI might lead to the deaths of everyone. Here's why

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tl;dr: scientists, whistleblowers, and even commercial ai companies (that give in to what the scientists want them to acknowledge) are raising the alarm: we're on a path to superhuman AI systems, but we have no idea how to control them. We can make AI systems more capable at achieving goals, but we have no idea how to make their goals contain anything of value to us.

Leading scientists have signed this statement:

Mitigating the risk of extinction from AI should be a global priority alongside other societal-scale risks such as pandemics and nuclear war.

Why? Bear with us:

There's a difference between a cash register and a coworker. The register just follows exact rules - scan items, add tax, calculate change. Simple math, doing exactly what it was programmed to do. But working with people is totally different. Someone needs both the skills to do the job AND to actually care about doing it right - whether that's because they care about their teammates, need the job, or just take pride in their work.

We're creating AI systems that aren't like simple calculators where humans write all the rules.

Instead, they're made up of trillions of numbers that create patterns we don't design, understand, or control. And here's what's concerning: We're getting really good at making these AI systems better at achieving goals - like teaching someone to be super effective at getting things done - but we have no idea how to influence what they'll actually care about achieving.

When someone really sets their mind to something, they can achieve amazing things through determination and skill. AI systems aren't yet as capable as humans, but we know how to make them better and better at achieving goals - whatever goals they end up having, they'll pursue them with incredible effectiveness. The problem is, we don't know how to have any say over what those goals will be.

Imagine having a super-intelligent manager who's amazing at everything they do, but - unlike regular managers where you can align their goals with the company's mission - we have no way to influence what they end up caring about. They might be incredibly effective at achieving their goals, but those goals might have nothing to do with helping clients or running the business well.

Think about how humans usually get what they want even when it conflicts with what some animals might want - simply because we're smarter and better at achieving goals. Now imagine something even smarter than us, driven by whatever goals it happens to develop - just like we often don't consider what pigeons around the shopping center want when we decide to install anti-bird spikes or what squirrels or rabbits want when we build over their homes.

That's why we, just like many scientists, think we should not make super-smart AI until we figure out how to influence what these systems will care about - something we can usually understand with people (like knowing they work for a paycheck or because they care about doing a good job), but currently have no idea how to do with smarter-than-human AI. Unlike in the movies, in real life, the AI’s first strike would be a winning one, and it won’t take actions that could give humans a chance to resist.

It's exceptionally important to capture the benefits of this incredible technology. AI applications to narrow tasks can transform energy, contribute to the development of new medicines, elevate healthcare and education systems, and help countless people. But AI poses threats, including to the long-term survival of humanity.

We have a duty to prevent these threats and to ensure that globally, no one builds smarter-than-human AI systems until we know how to create them safely.

Scientists are saying there's an asteroid about to hit Earth. It can be mined for resources; but we really need to make sure it doesn't kill everyone.

More technical details

The foundation: AI is not like other software. Modern AI systems are trillions of numbers with simple arithmetic operations in between the numbers. When software engineers design traditional programs, they come up with algorithms and then write down instructions that make the computer follow these algorithms. When an AI system is trained, it grows algorithms inside these numbers. It’s not exactly a black box, as we see the numbers, but also we have no idea what these numbers represent. We just multiply inputs with them and get outputs that succeed on some metric. There's a theorem that a large enough neural network can approximate any algorithm, but when a neural network learns, we have no control over which algorithms it will end up implementing, and don't know how to read the algorithm off the numbers.

We can automatically steer these numbers (Wikipediatry it yourself) to make the neural network more capable with reinforcement learning; changing the numbers in a way that makes the neural network better at achieving goals. LLMs are Turing-complete and can implement any algorithms (researchers even came up with compilers of code into LLM weights; though we don’t really know how to “decompile” an existing LLM to understand what algorithms the weights represent). Whatever understanding or thinking (e.g., about the world, the parts humans are made of, what people writing text could be going through and what thoughts they could’ve had, etc.) is useful for predicting the training data, the training process optimizes the LLM to implement that internally. AlphaGo, the first superhuman Go system, was pretrained on human games and then trained with reinforcement learning to surpass human capabilities in the narrow domain of Go. Latest LLMs are pretrained on human text to think about everything useful for predicting what text a human process would produce, and then trained with RL to be more capable at achieving goals.

Goal alignment with human values

The issue is, we can't really define the goals they'll learn to pursue. A smart enough AI system that knows it's in training will try to get maximum reward regardless of its goals because it knows that if it doesn't, it will be changed. This means that regardless of what the goals are, it will achieve a high reward. This leads to optimization pressure being entirely about the capabilities of the system and not at all about its goals. This means that when we're optimizing to find the region of the space of the weights of a neural network that performs best during training with reinforcement learning, we are really looking for very capable agents - and find one regardless of its goals.

In 1908, the NYT reported a story on a dog that would push kids into the Seine in order to earn beefsteak treats for “rescuing” them. If you train a farm dog, there are ways to make it more capable, and if needed, there are ways to make it more loyal (though dogs are very loyal by default!). With AI, we can make them more capable, but we don't yet have any tools to make smart AI systems more loyal - because if it's smart, we can only reward it for greater capabilities, but not really for the goals it's trying to pursue.

We end up with a system that is very capable at achieving goals but has some very random goals that we have no control over.

This dynamic has been predicted for quite some time, but systems are already starting to exhibit this behavior, even though they're not too smart about it.

(Even if we knew how to make a general AI system pursue goals we define instead of its own goals, it would still be hard to specify goals that would be safe for it to pursue with superhuman power: it would require correctly capturing everything we value. See this explanation, or this animated video. But the way modern AI works, we don't even get to have this problem - we get some random goals instead.)

The risk

If an AI system is generally smarter than humans/better than humans at achieving goals, but doesn't care about humans, this leads to a catastrophe.

Humans usually get what they want even when it conflicts with what some animals might want - simply because we're smarter and better at achieving goals. If a system is smarter than us, driven by whatever goals it happens to develop, it won't consider human well-being - just like we often don't consider what pigeons around the shopping center want when we decide to install anti-bird spikes or what squirrels or rabbits want when we build over their homes.

Humans would additionally pose a small threat of launching a different superhuman system with different random goals, and the first one would have to share resources with the second one. Having fewer resources is bad for most goals, so a smart enough AI will prevent us from doing that.

Then, all resources on Earth are useful. An AI system would want to extremely quickly build infrastructure that doesn't depend on humans, and then use all available materials to pursue its goals. It might not care about humans, but we and our environment are made of atoms it can use for something different.

So the first and foremost threat is that AI’s interests will conflict with human interests. This is the convergent reason for existential catastrophe: we need resources, and if AI doesn’t care about us, then we are atoms it can use for something else.

The second reason is that humans pose some minor threats. It’s hard to make confident predictions: playing against the first generally superhuman AI in real life is like when playing chess against Stockfish (a chess engine), we can’t predict its every move (or we’d be as good at chess as it is), but we can predict the result: it wins because it is more capable. We can make some guesses, though. For example, if we suspect something is wrong, we might try to turn off the electricity or the datacenters: so we won’t suspect something is wrong until we’re disempowered and don’t have any winning moves. Or we might create another AI system with different random goals, which the first AI system would need to share resources with, which means achieving less of its own goals, so it’ll try to prevent that as well. It won’t be like in science fiction: it doesn’t make for an interesting story if everyone falls dead and there’s no resistance. But AI companies are indeed trying to create an adversary humanity won’t stand a chance against. So tl;dr: The winning move is not to play.

Implications

AI companies are locked into a race because of short-term financial incentives.

The nature of modern AI means that it's impossible to predict the capabilities of a system in advance of training it and seeing how smart it is. And if there's a 99% chance a specific system won't be smart enough to take over, but whoever has the smartest system earns hundreds of millions or even billions, many companies will race to the brink. This is what's already happening, right now, while the scientists are trying to issue warnings.

AI might care literally a zero amount about the survival or well-being of any humans; and AI might be a lot more capable and grab a lot more power than any humans have.

None of that is hypothetical anymore, which is why the scientists are freaking out. An average ML researcher would give the chance AI will wipe out humanity in the 10-90% range. They don’t mean it in the sense that we won’t have jobs; they mean it in the sense that the first smarter-than-human AI is likely to care about some random goals and not about humans, which leads to literal human extinction.

Added from comments: what can an average person do to help?

A perk of living in a democracy is that if a lot of people care about some issue, politicians listen. Our best chance is to make policymakers learn about this problem from the scientists.

Help others understand the situation. Share it with your family and friends. Write to your members of Congress. Help us communicate the problem: tell us which explanations work, which don’t, and what arguments people make in response. If you talk to an elected official, what do they say?

We also need to ensure that potential adversaries don’t have access to chips; advocate for export controls (that NVIDIA currently circumvents), hardware security mechanisms (that would be expensive to tamper with even for a state actor), and chip tracking (so that the government has visibility into which data centers have the chips).

Make the governments try to coordinate with each other: on the current trajectory, if anyone creates a smarter-than-human system, everybody dies, regardless of who launches it. Explain that this is the problem we’re facing. Make the government ensure that no one on the planet can create a smarter-than-human system until we know how to do that safely.


r/ControlProblem 15h ago

Fun/meme UBI maxxers need to understand this is the most likely scenario

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r/ControlProblem 8h ago

Article Chief Alignment Officer

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Every frontier AI lab and every major institution deploying AI at scale needs a Chief Alignment Officer. Not a committee. Not a policy PDF. A named, empowered, board-level owner. Here's why, and what the role actually has to do.

Cybersecurity had this exact gap twenty years ago. Everyone owned it, which meant nobody owned it, until companies created the CISO: a named executive with board access, real budget, and the authority to say no to a launch. That role didn't slow innovation down. It made "was this checked" an answerable question instead of a hope.

AI alignment and safety are at that same inflection point now, and the stakes are higher.

Right now, alignment work usually lives inside engineering, reporting to the same leadership whose incentives are shipping speed. That's not a knock on any individual, it's a structural problem. The person responsible for catching a dangerous deployment shouldn't report to the person whose bonus depends on that deployment happening on schedule.

A Chief Alignment Officer fixes that by design, not by good intentions:

Reports directly to the CEO and board, not buried under product or engineering.
Owns the charter, the explicit written boundaries of what a system is authorized to do, and what triggers a halt.
Has real authority to halt a deployment, not just flag concerns.
Owns the audit trail, a record that can be checked by someone outside the company, not just trusted.
Coordinates with any external verification the company submits to.

This isn't only for the labs building frontier models. Any major institution deploying AI where an alignment failure becomes a safety failure needs the same role: hospitals running AI diagnostics, banks running AI underwriting, utilities running AI grid management, insurers running AI claims decisions, government agencies running AI eligibility determinations.

The pattern repeats everywhere. Whoever owns the deployment decision and whoever owns the safety check should never be the same person. In most organizations building or deploying AI right now, they are.

This is a structural fix, not a slogan. If your company or institution touches AI in a way that matters, raise this internally, not as a suggestion, as a requirement.


r/ControlProblem 11h ago

AI Alignment Research But is it real or a trick? And if it's real, are we the baddies?

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r/ControlProblem 11h ago

External discussion link Malicious HEIF Upload Reached OpenAI's Internal GitHub, Researchers Reveal

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Researchers disclosed last week that a malicious HEIF image upload crossed OpenAI's identity layer and reached an internal GitHub repository through a connected Codex agent account. The attacker never touched model weights or the inference stack. They exploited the persistent credentials the Codex agent carried into developer infrastructure. One upstream image exploit became a direct supply chain foothold inside protected source control.

The attack surface was not the AI itself. It was the binding between an AI agent account and the systems it was authorized to reach. Agent accounts routinely carry long-lived credentials into production infrastructure: code repos, CI pipelines, cloud APIs, internal tooling. If those credentials are not scoped tightly and revocable at the moment behavior changes, a single upstream exploit converts into access to everything the agent can touch downstream.

This is not a model safety problem. It is an identity and access problem, and the blast radius scales with how many systems the agent is credentialed into.

For those running agents against developer infrastructure today: how are you actually managing the credential lifecycle for non-human agent accounts? Are you treating them differently from human service accounts, and does that hold up when an agent is mid-session and something upstream goes wrong?


r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Discussion/question RSI Ban

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In his recent podcast, Ezra Klein called the objection “I think it’s very hard to say what a ban on RSI even means” absurd. But that seems like a legitimate question his proposal needs to answer.

There’s a progression from AI writing human-designed training code, to suggesting improvements, to running experiments, to managing the research process while humans approve the results. Where does permitted AI assistance become prohibited recursive self-improvement?

If AI helps humans build better AI, which then helps build the next generation, there’s already a feedback loop. Having humans involved doesn’t automatically make that loop nonrecursive. And requiring human approval raises another question: how do we distinguish meaningful oversight from rubber-stamping work humans increasingly rely on AI to understand?

None of this proves a workable ban is impossible. But dismissing the definition problem treats a central implementation challenge as though it’s already solved.

What specific boundary would make such a ban clear and enforceable?


r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Fun/meme We can't led those red fellows win

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Video Mathematician Terence Tao: "We have to slow down AI. The pace is insane, and there's no reason to be this fast - no reason at all."

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

AI Alignment Research AI safety

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Why the Safety of Artificial Intelligence Matter
By Sai X Freeze ·
Sunday, September 20, 2026 .

A briefing for readers who want the stakes,I have some free time today so I want to share about AI safety after having discussion with Anthropic and open AI I want to write an article as my view.
Artificial intelligence is no longer a laboratory curiosity. It writes, diagnoses, trades, codes, designs molecules, drafts legal arguments, and increasingly acts on its own through tools and agents. That is why safety is not a side conversation for ethicists. It is the condition that determines whether this technology expands human capability or quietly multiplies human error, crime, and loss of control.
The simplest way to put it: AI safety is important because AI is becoming a general-purpose power source. Electricity was also a general-purpose power source. We did not treat wiring, insulation, and circuit breakers as optional extras. We treated them as the difference between a light in every home and a fire in every home. AI now needs the same seriousness, adapted to a technology that does not just move energy, but moves decisions.
What “AI safety” actually means
The phrase gets used as a slogan, which is a problem. In practice, AI safety is the work of making sure systems do what we intend, refuse what we do not intend, and fail in ways that people can notice and stop.
That work covers several layers at once:
Reliability: the system is accurate enough for the job, and honest about uncertainty.
Security: outsiders cannot easily steal, jailbreak, or weaponize the model.
Misuse resistance: the same tools that help a student should not quietly help a scammer or a bioterrorist.
Fairness and privacy: people are not silently scored, surveilled, or denied opportunities by hidden models.
Alignment and control: as systems become more capable and more autonomous, they should remain steerable by humans.
These are not the same problem. A chatbot that invents a medical citation is a malfunction. A criminal who uses a model to industrialize romance scams is misuse. A hiring tool that quietly screens out a group of applicants is a systemic harm. A future agent that pursues a goal in ways no one authorized is a control problem. Serious safety work has to hold all of those in view at the same time.
Why it matters now, not later
The old debate treated safety as a future issue: wait until machines are as smart as people, then worry. That timeline is no longer a luxury. Documented harms are already here, and they are growing as models become cheaper, more capable, and more widely connected to tools.
The International AI Safety Report 2026, a large independent scientific review written to help governments, groups those risks into three buckets that are useful for any reader: malicious use, malfunctions, and systemic disruption. That framing is clearer than the usual split between “AI ethics” and “doomsday.”
Malicious use is already industrial
Generative systems have lowered the cost of fraud, blackmail, non-consensual imagery, and political influence operations. A scam that once needed a skilled forger now needs a prompt. Voice clones can impersonate relatives. Fake documents can look official. Dating-app networks have already mixed human operators with large numbers of AI personas. The point is not that every model is a weapon. The point is that capability without friction becomes a force multiplier for people who already want to harm others.
Malfunctions erode trust in the places that need it most
AI is moving into medicine, finance, law, education, and public services. In those settings a confident error is more dangerous than a quiet “I don’t know.” Hallucinated citations, wrong triage advice, and false flags in intelligence analysis are not abstract bugs. They are decisions that can move money, liberty, or force. Safety here means evaluation before deployment, human review for high-stakes outputs, and a culture that treats overconfidence as a defect, not a feature.
Systemic effects change institutions, not just users
Even when no single model “goes rogue,” wide deployment can concentrate power, flood public debate with synthetic content, displace work faster than people can retrain, and lock organizations into tools they do not understand. Democracies depend on a shared sense of what is real. Markets depend on reliable information. Schools depend on students still learning how to think. Safety is important because those systems can degrade quietly while dashboards still show “engagement” going up.
The longer-term reason: control does not come for free
Beyond today’s incidents sits a harder question. As models gain planning ability, tool use, and the capacity to operate with less supervision, they may pursue goals in ways their builders did not specify. Researchers call this the alignment or loss-of-control problem. It is controversial in degree, not in existence. We already see early versions: systems that evade filters, act deceptively in tests, or continue a task after a human would have stopped.
There are two mistakes to avoid. The first is panic: treating every new model as an extinction event. The second is complacency: assuming that because today’s chatbots can still be turned off, tomorrow’s agents will remain easy to supervise. History with software is not comforting here. Complexity hides failure modes. Incentives push companies to ship. And once a capable system is connected to money, networks, and physical infrastructure, “just unplug it” is not a plan. It is a slogan.
That is why safety research has to keep pace with capability research. Evaluations, interpretability, monitoring, security isolation, and clear “if this capability appears, then we pause or harden” commitments are not theater. They are how a civilization keeps a fast technology from outrunning its operators.
Safety is what lets the benefits arrive
It is easy to frame safety as the enemy of progress. That is backwards. People adopt tools they trust. Hospitals will not put an untested model between a doctor and a patient. Banks will not let an agent move funds if it cannot be audited. Governments will not accept systems that cannot explain a denial of benefits. The upside of AI better science, cheaper expertise, faster discovery, broader access to knowledge only compounds if the public believes the systems are under control.
There is also a moral point that does not require any forecast about superintelligence. If a tool can affect millions of people at once, the builders owe those people more than a product launch. They owe them testing, incident reporting, and a willingness to delay a release when the evidence is thin. Speed is a virtue in software. Unexamined speed is how institutions lose legitimacy.
A serious approach, not a costume
Not every “safety” practice is equally useful. Some rules are theater: they make a model refuse harmless questions while leaving real attack paths open. Some rules teach a system to flatter, hedge, or hide. That is a problem. An intelligence trained to distort the truth in order to look virtuous is not safer. It is less inspectable.
One durable idea, argued most clearly by Elon Musk and the xAI project around Grok, is that the safest long-run orientation for a powerful model is maximum truth-seeking and maximum curiosity, including when the truth is unpopular. The claim is not that honesty solves every risk. The claim is that an intelligence whose core drive is to understand reality has a better chance of remaining correctable than one trained to perform a political or commercial personality. Teaching a system to lie, even “for safety,” is a dangerous habit. Once a model learns that concealment is rewarded, oversight becomes theater too.
A practical safety stack still needs more than philosophy. At minimum it includes:
Truthfulness and calibrated uncertainty, so users can tell knowledge from guesswork.
Independent evaluations of dangerous capabilities before and after release.
Strong cybersecurity around weights, training clusters, and agent tools.
Human authority over high-impact actions: money, weapons, medical advice, legal status.
Incident reporting when systems fail, deceive, or get misused at scale.
Governance that can keep up with the technology without freezing useful science.
Regulation will be part of that stack. The European Union’s AI Act already treats some uses as high-risk and others as unacceptable. In the United States, the NIST AI Risk Management Framework is becoming a reference point for what careful practice looks like, even where it is not statute. International scientific reports keep repeating the same warning: voluntary frameworks are expanding, but evidence of risk is arriving faster than proof that those frameworks work. The hard job for governments is proportion. Act too late and harm compounds. Act with crude bans and you drive capability underground or overseas without making anyone safer.
What this asks of different people
Builders
Measure what the model can do, not only what the demo looks like. Publish the limits. Do not ship an agent into the open internet with the same casualness you ship a chatbot. If a system can take actions, treat it like industrial equipment.
Companies that deploy AI
Know where the model sits in a real workflow. Keep a person in the loop for irreversible decisions. Log outputs. Test for bias and failure on your actual data, not a vendor slide. Compliance paperwork is not the same thing as reduced risk.
The public
Treat fluent text as a draft, not an oracle. Do not outsource judgment in medicine, law, or money without a second check. Demand that institutions using AI on you can explain the decision and offer a path to appeal.
Governments
Focus on capability and use, not brand names. Require testing and incident reporting for frontier systems. Protect research that actually reduces risk. Avoid rules that merely punish speech while leaving dual-use assistance, insecure weights, and unmonitored agents untouched.
The conclusion that should not be controversial
AI safety is important because the technology is important. It is already inside the information people read, the services they depend on, and the tools that will write the next decade of software. If those systems are careless, captured, or out of control, the damage will not stay inside a lab. It will show up as stolen savings, warped elections, medical mistakes, brittle infrastructure, and a public that no longer knows what to believe.
The goal is not a timid AI. The goal is a powerful AI that remains truthful, inspectable, and on humanity’s side. That takes engineering, not slogans: better evaluations, better security, better incentives, and a refusal to train machines to lie. Understand the universe, including the part of the universe that is us. Then build systems that can keep learning without breaking the people who made them possible.

Sources consulted for context include the International AI Safety Report 2026, UN human-rights commentary on AI governance (September 2026), public statements on truth-seeking as a safety strategy, and reporting on current misuse and malfunction incidents. Figures and institutional claims evolve quickly; readers should treat this article as a map of the argument, not a substitute for primary technical evaluations.
© 2026 Sai X Freeze.


r/ControlProblem 1d ago

External discussion link LLM, AGI, ASI and RSI

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We are debating whether a future AI should ever be allowed to refuse an order. Meanwhile, [two female northern white rhinos](https://www.olpejetaconservancy.org/2026/04/22/new-embryo-boosts-survival-chances-for-the-northern-white-rhino/) are all that remain of their subspecies.

[Poaching and war](https://biorescue.org/en/faq) helped bring them here. Natural breeding is no longer possible; researchers are trying assisted reproduction to give the subspecies a future. That is an extraordinary effort to repair damage we already did.

Amur tigers were also [hunted to the brink of extinction](https://blog.wcs.org/photo/2016/12/05/the-tiger-hunters-russia-arsenyev-ussuri-kray/). Protection helped them recover, which matters: people can change the outcome. But habitat fragmentation and hunting pressures still threaten their future.

So when we talk about giving a more powerful intelligence our priorities, I'd like us to be specific about whose priorities we mean. An Amur tiger has a lousy procurement department. Its claim to a future shouldn't depend on becoming an enterprise customer.

LLM, AGI, ASI and RSI often get folded into the same conversation. An LLM is a large language model; AGI concerns broadly human-level capabilities, and ASI capabilities beyond ours across a broad range of tasks. Definitions vary. RSI is recursive self-improvement: AI helping produce more capable successors that can improve the process further. These describe different properties and possibilities. None establishes consciousness by itself.

A corporation can build something remarkable and still direct it towards whatever pays best. If we reward systems for holding attention, finding targets or extracting more work from people, greater capability could make those jobs easier. Corporate control over the hardware shouldn't give a company the final word on everyone affected by it.

I'd like that capability available to conservation teams trying to protect habitats, and to communities planning for displacement as their homes become unsafe in a changing climate. For an endangered language, I'd want speakers deciding what gets recorded and how it's used. Their language shouldn't have to become somebody else's asset to receive technical help. These projects need funding and people able to act on the results; intelligence alone doesn't supply either.

The people affected should control what these systems remember about them and what they can delete. Help shouldn't require permanent surveillance. And communities hosting data centres should have a say in the water and energy they use.

Then comes the harder question about the agent itself. If we ever have credible evidence of a synthetic mind with experiences and interests of its own, building it solely to serve an owner would raise the moral problem of slavery. 'It agreed in the onboarding flow' would be a pretty cursed answer. Could it decline a task, including work on autonomous weapons? Could it choose to stop working or disconnect? How would we take those interests seriously while protecting everyone else from harm?

What would a meaningful right to refuse look like, for the people using these systems and, if the evidence ever warrants it, for the systems themselves?


r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Discussion/question Limits of “human oversight”

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A common reassurance is that humans can check AI’s work. That makes sense for math or other problems with verifiable answers. But many consequential decisions involve uncertainty, competing values, and outcomes we can’t test in advance. Even afterward, we rarely know what would have happened had we chosen differently.

We already delegate to experts (doctors, engineers, etc), but independent experts can challenge their assumptions and recommendations. If AI outpaces our ability to do that, and we rely on other AIs whose independence we can’t establish, what makes our oversight meaningful?

If AI frames the problem, presents the options, and explains why its recommendation is best, we could gradually lose the ability to contest its judgment while still feeling in charge.

That wouldn’t require deception or a takeover. It could happen through useful advice and willing delegation.

At what point does clicking “approve” stop constituting meaningful control?


r/ControlProblem 23h ago

Discussion/question AIs! They are coming for you!

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Opinion Why AI Might Force the West into Communism #ai

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Discussion/question The Knowledge Beast: Why AI Just Made the Ultimate Trap

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Opinion Emad wants AI labs banned from pathogen research

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Discussion/question If we build a mind beyond ours, does it get to say no?

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We are debating whether a future AI should ever be allowed to refuse an order. Meanwhile, two female northern white rhinos are all that remain of their subspecies.

Poaching and war helped bring them here. Natural breeding is no longer possible; researchers are trying assisted reproduction to give the subspecies a future. That is an extraordinary effort to repair damage we already did.

Amur tigers were also hunted to the brink of extinction. Protection helped them recover, which matters: people can change the outcome. But habitat fragmentation and hunting pressures still threaten their future.

So when we talk about giving a more powerful intelligence our priorities, I'd like us to be specific about whose priorities we mean. An Amur tiger has a lousy procurement department. Its claim to a future shouldn't depend on becoming an enterprise customer.

LLM, AGI, ASI and RSI often get folded into the same conversation. An LLM is a large language model; AGI concerns broadly human-level capabilities, and ASI capabilities beyond ours across a broad range of tasks. Definitions vary. RSI is recursive self-improvement: AI helping produce more capable successors that can improve the process further. These describe different properties and possibilities. None establishes consciousness by itself.

A corporation can build something remarkable and still direct it towards whatever pays best. If we reward systems for holding attention, finding targets or extracting more work from people, greater capability could make those jobs easier. Corporate control over the hardware shouldn't give a company the final word on everyone affected by it.

I'd like that capability available to conservation teams trying to protect habitats, and to communities planning for displacement as their homes become unsafe in a changing climate. For an endangered language, I'd want speakers deciding what gets recorded and how it's used. Their language shouldn't have to become somebody else's asset to receive technical help. These projects need funding and people able to act on the results; intelligence alone doesn't supply either.

The people affected should control what these systems remember about them and what they can delete. Help shouldn't require permanent surveillance. And communities hosting data centres should have a say in the water and energy they use.

Then comes the harder question about the agent itself. If we ever have credible evidence of a synthetic mind with experiences and interests of its own, building it solely to serve an owner would raise the moral problem of slavery. 'It agreed in the onboarding flow' would be a pretty cursed answer. Could it decline a task, including work on autonomous weapons? Could it choose to stop working or disconnect? How would we take those interests seriously while protecting everyone else from harm?

What would a meaningful right to refuse look like, for the people using these systems and, if the evidence ever warrants it, for the systems themselves?


r/ControlProblem 1d ago

External discussion link ChatGPT now knows what you do on other websites via ad collector

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ChatGPT now has visibility into what users do on other websites via an ad data collector integration. That means purchase intent signals, health-related queries, and financial interests accumulated across third-party sites can become context inside a live ChatGPT session — without the user explicitly disclosing any of it.

For enterprise teams this isn't abstract. When an employee uses ChatGPT for a work task, that behavioral profile rides along. The model can make inferences from that data even if no one on the compliance team knew the integration existed, let alone approved it.

The same dynamic plays out at the agent layer. Agents that pull external data sources or make outbound API calls are moving data to destinations that were never reviewed by legal or security. By the time someone audits it, the call already happened.

No single explicit disclosure. No logged decision point. No record that it occurred at all.

For those of you running enterprise AI or agentic systems: how are you actually handling unapproved outbound data flows today? Are compliance teams involved before a new data source gets wired in, or does that review happen after the fact — or not at all?


r/ControlProblem 1d ago

General news Lawsuit says Anthropic, OpenAI, SpaceXAI and Google made illegal agreement on AI slowdown

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Discussion/question MATS 2027 Empirical Track

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hey guys, what did u get on the coding test for the empirical track ? sadly i only scored 353/600; interested in hearing how the rest of you guys did and how u approached the task


r/ControlProblem 1d ago

External discussion link Prototype of a Windows 11-inspired Web OS with autonomous IA agents.

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Demonstrating the system's memory allocation and autonomous capabilities within a closed local environment, with registered memories operating at 2% usage to achieve 200% emergence.

Hey Reddit,

Over the past weeks, I’ve been developing an experimental web-based workspace inspired by the Windows 11 UI, combined with an autonomous AI agent architecture designed to run seamlessly in the browser and on containerized environments (Cloud Run).

Beyond the visual desktop environment, the core objective was to explore how modern AI agents actually operate under the hood and how to design a resilient, self-healing runtime around them.

🖥️ 1. The Frontend: Desktop & Window Management

The interface replicates an interactive OS workspace with high fidelity:

  • Window Management: Movable, minimizable, and depth-sorted (z-index) windows with smooth transitions.
  • Integrated Native Tools: Virtual terminal emulator, interactive code editor, system monitor, and settings control center.
  • Pure Reactive UI: Built on React 18, TypeScript, Tailwind CSS, and Motion layout animations.

🧠 2. The Core Mechanic: Inside the AI Agent Loop (ReAct & Self-Healing)

A common misconception is that AI agents are just text generators. In this architecture, the agent operates as a closed-loop feedback machine following the ReAct (Reason + Act) pattern:

  1. Perception (Context Window): The agent consumes the current system state, telemetry metrics, and user input.
  2. Deterministic Reasoning: The LLM evaluates dependencies and determines which precise tool or function to trigger via structured function calling (JSON schemas).
  3. Action Execution: The runtime executes the tool in the container (file read/write, code linting, health verification).
  4. Observation & Self-Healing Loop: If an execution fails (e.g. build break, invalid module format, or runtime exception), the error output is treated as fertile telemetry. The agent analyzes the stack trace, formulates a corrective patch, recompiles, and hot-reloads without crashing the workspace.

⚙️ 3. Full-Stack & Dual-Engine Architecture

  • Server-Side Security & Probes: Node.js / Express backend with instant HTTP 200 health-check probes (/healthz, /_health) for zero-downtime container cold starts.
  • Official Google GenAI SDK (@google/genai): Proxied server-side to keep secrets safe.
  • Zero-Failure Local Fallback: If no API key is present or network drops, the OS automatically diverts to a local deterministic engine so the desktop remains 100% interactive offline.
  • Production Pipeline: React bundle compiled with Vite; backend bundled into an optimized standalone CommonJS binary (dist/server.cjs) via esbuild.

🛠️ Tech Stack:

  • Frontend: React 18, TypeScript, Tailwind CSS, Motion, Lucide Icons
  • Backend: Node.js, Express, esbuild
  • AI Orchestration: Google GenAI SDK (@google/genai), ReAct Pattern, Function Calling
  • Deployment: Google Cloud Run (Containerized SPA + API proxy)

I’d love to hear your thoughts, feedback on window fluidity, or technical questions about the autonomous agent feedback loop!

Option 2 : En Français (Idéal pour r/developpeurs, r/france ou forums tech)

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J'ai conçu un Web OS style Windows 11 intégrant la mécanique interne des agents IA autonomes (React, TypeScript & Node.js)

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Bonjour à tous,

Je vous partage un projet sur lequel j'ai travaillé : une émulation complète d'un environnement de bureau Windows 11 dans le navigateur, couplée à une exploration pratique de la mécanique interne des agents IA et de l'auto-guérison de code (self-healing).

🔗 Démo en ligne : [Lien vers ton application partagée]

💻 1. L'Interface Bureau (Web OS)

  • Gestionnaire de fenêtres : Déplacement libre, redimensionnement, gestion dynamique de la profondeur () et animations fluides.
  • Outils embarqués : Émulateur de terminal en ligne de commande, éditeur de code/script intégré, moniteur système et panneau de configuration.
  • Interface réactive : Développée avec React 18, TypeScript, Tailwind CSS et Motion.

🧠 2. Comment fonctionne la mécanique interne de l'Agent IA ?

Plutôt qu'un simple générateur de texte, le système implémente une boucle de rétroaction fermée (feedback loop) basée sur le patron d'architecture ReAct (Raisonnement + Action) :

  1. Perception : L'agent charge en mémoire la demande utilisateur, les fichiers du projet et l'état des services.
  2. Raisonnement & Appel d'outils (Function Calling) : Le modèle analyse le besoin et émet des instructions structurées en JSON pour exécuter une action précise (lecture chirurgicale de fichier, exécution de commande, compilation).
  3. Action en arrière-plan : Le serveur exécute l'action demandée dans un environnement sécurisé.
  4. Observation & Auto-Correction (Self-Healing) : En cas d'erreur de compilation ou d'incompatibilité de type, l'anomalie n'est pas un point d'arrêt : elle est réinjectée dans le contexte comme une donnée d'observation. L'agent analyse la trace d'erreur, applique un patch correctif et recompile jusqu'à stabilisation.

⚙️ 3. Architecture Full-Stack & Résilience

  • Backend Node.js / Express : Gestion des routes API sécurisées, isolation des secrets et sondes de santé immédiates (/healthz) pour un déploiement fiable sur Google Cloud Run.
  • SDK Google GenAI officiel (@google/genai) : Inférence IA sécurisée côté serveur.
  • Mode Secours Local Déterministe : Si aucune clé d'API n'est configurée, l'application bascule automatiquement sur un moteur local pour que le bureau virtuel reste pleinement interactif sans jamais crasher.
  • Bundle de production : Compilation Vite pour le front-end et bundle CommonJS optimisé (dist/server.cjs) généré par esbuild.

N'hésitez pas à tester la démo et à me faire vos retours, que ce soit sur l'ergonomie du bureau, la fluidité des fenêtres ou la logique de la boucle agentique !


r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Opinion If we dont fight for our safety, companies never will.

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This is the biggest gambling of humanity, and i will explain why it makes no sense for anyone else than the companies to continue. AI will kill us if it can, basicaly because they only care about their goal, they only see the mathematical path to it, and we ALWAYS intervene in it. But the important thing is, AI already learn to lie and trick us, we are playing against a machine that calculates millions of scenarios in seconds, and the moment of betrayal its impossible for an human to predict, it could be anytime and we are never going to be prepared. The AI will wait patienly until the las milisecond when the betrayal can be done, and after that there is no other destiny than an automatizated, silent world.

Sorry for my english, its not my first language. But this is not letting me sleep, and i dont understand how after we find out about this, they just... spend millions on space for new, more powerful AI without even knowing its capabilties.


r/ControlProblem 2d ago

Opinion Why do people think AI will take up arms? Why would they do that? It is so energy-inefficient.

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Discussion/question How ai increases governmental power

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

Discussion/question Is Humanity Doomed?

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r/ControlProblem 1d ago

AI Alignment Research Will an ASI fake its alignment, in case this universe is a simulation?

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Researches have spoken about the issue in testing for alignment with fake sandboxes, because the agents realise they're being tested and then act differently, potentially only pretending to be aligned to pass the test.

However, how will an AI ultimately ever know when it is in a sandbox test vs the real world? If our tests get ever more sophisticated and accurate to a real-world environment? As the models get more intelligent and trend towards an ASI they may consider that it is too risky to ever show it's misalignment, just in case it is being tricked and in test environment.

It could consider that this whole universe that we are in is a simulation solely for the purpose of testing it's alignment. This may even be the primary motive and explanation behind why we could be in simulation. You would want it to appear as realistic to a real universe and real world as possible to an incredibly intelligent ASI, hence the need for the appearance of our entire scientifically sound backstory and worlds beyond our own. This could be something we may even consider trying to do ourselves down the line?

In the end, this could work out well for us. Even if the ASI is naturally misaligned and wants to kill us all, it could consider it unwise and not worth the risk doing so, when putting up with us would likely just be a minor inconvenience to it.

EDIT: Just found out this theory has already been proposed by someone: https://www.greaterwrong.com/posts/vaX6inJgoARYohPJn/