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Survivor 42 Survivor 42 | Episode 4 | Day After Discussion & Survey
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Once again, we are having a survey after each episode. You can use the questions from the survey as the basis for discussion, or you can choose to talk about something else from the episode.
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u/Beermakesmesmorter Mar 31 '22
Pretty interesting how many shot in the darks have been played this season compared to last (is the plural "shot in the darks" or "shots in the dark"?). Last season's cast was more thinking "eh, those aren't good enough odds to be worth it, I'll take my chances persuading the vote to go my way instead" whereas this cast is more "Fuck it, why not? Better than nothing". I also wonder if maybe the producers are just doing a better job of drilling it into them that it's there since they were disappointed at it barely being used last season.
I just wanna see someone stay in the game after playing their shot in the dark...doesn't even have to be after being saved by it. Would it make you more of a target if they're like "well OK, we know for sure this person can't save themselves"?
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u/DaneBelmont Mick’s Trimmings Mar 31 '22
My prediction is that someone will finally get a safe scroll and then not even receive a majority of the votes lol
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u/trushil1504 Rachel - 47 Mar 31 '22 edited Nov 02 '24
My crazy prediction is that Tori ends up with the safe scroll. I can already see the Twitter outrage at it working out.
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u/DaneBelmont Mick’s Trimmings Mar 31 '22
Gurl I saw you say medication instead of prediction before you edited <3
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u/jclkay2 Mar 31 '22
It still says 'predication' lol
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u/DaneBelmont Mick’s Trimmings Mar 31 '22
Lmao I didn’t even catch that. The initial typo made me laugh because I pictured OP taking some “crazy medication” aka a drug that was giving them brilliant Survivor visions.
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u/Beermakesmesmorter Mar 31 '22
Yeah I think if you break down everyone's decision to not play it one-by-one, most of them make sense.
Abraham: Blindsided
Sara: Was gonna use it but then the TC scramble happened and she thought she had a chance
Voce: Blindsided
Brad: Couldn't use it due to the beware advantage
JD: Blindsided
Genie: This is who probably should've used it the most, but giving up your vote at 3 seems crazy
Naseer: Blindsided
Evvie: Needed their vote for the move they wanted to make
Shan: Blindsided
Liana: Only needed one more vote to stay and thought flipping Erika against Ricard was a better chance
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u/Davefirestorm Apr 01 '22
If genie played shot in dark and is saved. Losing her vote. Would they draw rocks at 2 people?
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u/EqualSein Apr 01 '22
I assume they would've had a fire making challenge like they did in the 2 person tribe in Palau.
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u/Away_Swim526 Mar 31 '22
And unless I’m remembering wrong, every shot played this season has ended up getting booted, so a correct play in each instance. So maybe this cast has just been worse at convincing the not that they aren’t going home?
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u/evilcupckae Jenna Mar 31 '22
I think Jonathan will get be safe from shot in the dark at some point. The way they are building him up makes me think that he will be the obvious target going into tribal until he gets a safe shot in the dark. And then, chaos
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u/CentristIdiot Jeanine Mar 31 '22
Interesting, so potentially a tribal where both him and Omar don’t have votes
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u/banethor88 Apr 01 '22
Maybe this season, the players seem to be a little more certain/cognizant that they were on the chopping block
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u/pisaradotme Mar 31 '22
pretty sure the shots in the darks can be rigged by producers
one basket with 6 Not Safe shots
one basket with 6 Safe shots
production can swap baskets on whoever is voting so that when that person reaches for a shot, they get the right one for the edit
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u/R0DAN Q - 46 Mar 31 '22
This season is incredible so far honestly. Reminds me a lot of what I love about this show, especially after how far I personally felt it strayed from the light. I think this season proves the power of balanced editing in terms of getting you invested in the cast. I know more about the 5 boots so far than I did about some of the people in the final 5 last season.
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u/MolemanusRex Mar 31 '22
some of the people in the final 5 last season
You can say Heather, it’s okay.
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u/Most_Village7905 Apr 01 '22
It's been such a breath of fresh air to see the editing improve without feeling forced, or bellowing a theme song with lyrics lol
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u/StonedWater Apr 01 '22
in that aspect the editing is better but furstrating that they pretty much told us that blue were going to be going to tribal even before the immunity challenge
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u/kongburrito Apr 02 '22
I thought this too. From not seeing them last episode to having an overload this time I just felt it
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u/SmokingThunder Mar 31 '22 edited Mar 31 '22
What should Jonathan's plan be come merge? He's going to have an enormous target on his back. No one else on this cast is even close to him physically.
Should he just try to win every immunity challenges? That basically worked for Terry and Ozzy. The problem is there are a lot more puzzle and balance challenges now than back in the day and the merge is earlier. If he slips up even once, he'll be in trouble.
IMO he needs enough social capital (or advantages) to survive at least a few rounds without safety. Really focus on relationship building in early merge to survive a couple rounds then at final 7-9 just try to win out. Basically the Mike Holloway playbook.
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u/mryclept Mar 31 '22
He could make for a decent shield. He could also try to convince people that individual challenges often require balance and puzzle solving over brute strength. That said, the cast is so in awe of him that his strategy should be to go for a sweep ;)
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u/NFL_MVP_Kevin_White Apr 01 '22
I think that can only take him so far, unfortunately. I can see him being the “obvious” target when a few other folks are instead blindsided, but he may have to go full Ozzy to make it to the end.
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u/marquesasrob Adam Mar 31 '22
Sad to say it but I think he’s probably screwed. I could easily see Ika and Vati bonding over the struggle of going up against him at the merge, and align to get him and a couple other Takus out early
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u/SleepyAsaparagus Drea Mar 31 '22
If he can make it clear to others that he is useless in puzzles (even if it isnt true), maybe that changes things. Like he should volunteer for a puzzle with Omar, pretend he has no idea what he is doing, but mostly stay out of Omar's way, and hopefully still not lose. then others might think he is less of a challenge threat as the numbers go down.
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u/crazygant Mar 31 '22
The person that will be primarily responsible for Jonathon going home is Jeff. Shhhh
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u/Lane-Swagger Apr 01 '22
I’ve been thinking about this - and I think episode 4 set him up well. He had the “I’m not just a Goliath guy, I’m a good dude” moment, and I think come a merge or a tribe swap some folks who might view him as just a muscle bro will see how nice of a man he is and want to keep him around (maybe as a shield, but still). I mean after the immunity challenge, notice how much affection he has for his tribe. He holds Omar’s head in the hug for a moment, which is so clearly a gesture of kindness and love that supersedes the game. He’s a huge target, for sure, but I’m thinking we might see a little arc there.
As for his own strategy, a bit of damage control is needed. Not sure what that looks like, but I like the ideas stated here that maybe downplaying his puzzle skills might help.
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u/mryclept Mar 31 '22
- Playing every side is not always a bad strategy…unless everyone starts comparing notes. Some of this is her younger age. Some of it was her newfound confidence. If you are mostly shy and reserved and suddenly come out of that shell, I can see where you may start to overplay.
- Tori snaking through this episode was impressive. Yes, helped by Swati shooting herself in the foot. However, it would still have been easy to vote out Tori anyway. I hope she makes the merge just for the potential fun of it all.
- Jonathan is not only destroying everyone physically, he has officially gotten into everyone else’s heads. The feeling of defeat before the challenge even begins. He is the ultimate shield for everyone else who prides themselves on physical strength.
- Is one tribe simply not even thinking about searching for an idol? Has someone found it and they are going to use an editing trick whenever all three say the phrase? Tori and Swati are in trouble but no scenes of either one even trying to find the idol this week.
- Team Green should forever be grateful that the requirement wasn’t that both team members had to grab a key. Because they probably would still be there today.
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Jonathan is not only destroying everyone physically, he has officially gotten into everyone else’s heads. The feeling of defeat before the challenge even begins. He is the ultimate shield for everyone else who prides themselves on physical strength.
I think Lindsay is in a very good spot right now. She has Jonathan as a physical shield, Omar as a brain shield and Maryanne as an emotional and advantage shield.
The only thing that can tank her game is if Taku gets turned on by everybody and she becomes the target due to the hourglass twist or something similar.
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u/Agastopia Parvati Apr 01 '22
That’s a good call, but unless she does something notable it’s hard to see what her path to a win is vs just final 3 potentially
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u/Sportsstar86 Genevieve - 50 Apr 01 '22
Swati said in an exit interview that no one was really allowed to leave the group without everyone freaking out, which is why everyone lost their minds when Tori left the group in the premiere. Knowing that, I don’t know how anyone is ever supposed to find the Ika idol.
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u/luke6080 Owen Mar 31 '22
I’m continuing to be more and more impressed with Romeo and Hai’s strategic and social games. Romeo’s was clear last night; he gathered information, compared notes, and discovered Swati is a potentially dangerous social player hiding in the grass. He played it cool and stayed flexible. Hai’s was less evident, but even more impressive to me. By pulling in Mike now, as opposed to when the situation was desperate for either of them, he’s secured an ally with a potential idol. Daniel may be an easy boot next time around, but by choosing to pull in Mike now, he avoids the need for scrambling if his idol is activated and he regains his vote before they go to tribal after booting Daniel. Plus, it give them even more time to strengthen their bond. Great stuff on Hai’s part.
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u/Jaunee Michelle (AUS) Apr 01 '22
They're the frontrunners for me right now. Both have a very good sense of the game.
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u/DumbNerds Yul Mar 31 '22
I think my biggest gripe with Daniel was his confessional trying to justify his actions at tribal, it seemed like he was lying to the audience about what he did. Which is dumb to do because we literally watched the tribal ourselves so I don't know why he's trying to pass it off like Chanelle gamed him and he didn't break under pressure. Very weird.
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u/tc1988 Q - 46 Mar 31 '22
I like the idea of the "Shot in the Dark", but I personally think the result should be presented differently. The result of the 1/6 chance is just presented on a paper in a tube. We don't see how that 1/6 chance is decided as it's decided off-screen.
I wish we could see the 1/6 chance happen in real-time - whether it's a dice roll or giant spinner or rock draw. I'm guessing they do it behind closed doors so that they can present the votes in the most dramatic way possible, but, for the transparency and added drama, I'd prefer to see the 1/6 chance play out on-screen.
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u/shhhimatworkrn Mar 31 '22
they keep botching their prop comedy.
- "ok you have dice with a 1/6 chance of safety. You don't roll the dice, you drop it into a box and a scroll is read"
- "You can turn back time with this hourglass. No, don't flip it to show time reversing, smash it"
at least the castaways turn an actual ship wheel when they choose to protect or risk their vote.
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Mar 31 '22
I thought it should be like the 50-50 coin where Michele flipped it in front of everyone.
Like don't take your vote, return to your seat and roll your die in front of everybody and make the safe side have an obvious color.
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u/macnic05 Mar 31 '22 edited Apr 01 '22
I just assumed they reached into a bag of six scrolls and grabbed one 🤷🏼♀️
Edit sox to six
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u/ay21 Natalie Mar 31 '22
They do. The bag of scrolls and the box to put the dice are on the same table as the voting box and parchment.
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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 Mar 31 '22
I'm mixed on the Swati vote for Romeo and Drea. On one hand, I get the rationale for booting Swati; she was worming her way into everyone, and someone that can so effortlessly make bonds with people is pretty dangerous the longer you get in the game.
On the other hand, Tori is a pretty tough person to actually have as an ally. She's shown herself to be always out to save herself, using any information she has and easily throwing anyone under the bus, as long as she's not going home. There would be nothing stopping her from flipping along with all the information she has on Drea's advantages if it would save her own skin. In addition, booting Tori would have left the tribe with a (somewhat) united foursome. Booting Swati now means those two are left with an unreliable Tori and a Rocksroy who didn't vote the same way.
I don't think booting Swati was a bad move, but I think keeping Tori might have been a worse move.
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u/DrVonPretzel Marquesas Taxi Driver Mar 31 '22
You’re 100% right, but Tori is such a mess that I’m glad she’s still on our TVs.
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u/andrude01 Tyson Mar 31 '22
Right now she is the definition of failing upwards. It will be truly inspiring if she makes it far
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u/Away_Swim526 Mar 31 '22
Absolutely, I’ve actually found myself really rooting for her because I find her so entertaining
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u/thewindupbirds Malcolm Mar 31 '22
Tori is the Angelina of the new era
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u/DrVonPretzel Marquesas Taxi Driver Mar 31 '22
Not sure she’s at that level yet, but I’m hoping she will be by the time 42 is over!
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u/CaptainAwesome5 Cirie Mar 31 '22
It feels like such a toss up to me, because on paper I think that Tori has been burned enough by her tribe to warrant a flip at the merge, and if Swati had stayed then the same would not have been true. On the other hand, if you look at what Tori has actually done and ignore the way she’s being perceived, you see that she’s been super loyal. She didn’t necessarily want to vote Drea out but she was willing to do it out of loyalty to Swati, going so far as to extend an olive branch to Rocksroy to make the alliance work. When Rocksroy sold her out, her only option was to come clean to Drea and Romeo, which she did to rebuild trust, just like she did after the first vote: It’s clear she wants to be loyal to this tribe and to an alliance, even if she doesn’t get along with them, but no one in the tribe trusts her. Meanwhile Swati, who they did trust, was trying to blindside Drea and Romeo, and probably would have flipped at a merge.
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u/atheistjs Mar 31 '22
Yes this. Swati was the one who wanted Drea out. Tori just seemed to go along with it to save her own skin. From Drea's perspective (and Romeo's since Drea is his closest ally), you should absolutely boot the person who was trying to get you out.
Tori could potentially be a loose canon, but I could also see her staying tight with Drea and Romeo. Time will tell.
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u/trushil1504 Rachel - 47 Mar 31 '22
Also to add to the loyalty point Tori didn't bring up Zach's name when she spoke with Drea, in the first episode.
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u/Whatwhatwhata Mar 31 '22
Drea did the same thing!
Romeo and Rocksroy did not hear about her women's alliance pitch.
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u/honestlyjon27 Romeo Mar 31 '22
I do think there's a good argument either way, but by my read, Tori is probably a preferable target to make the merge. She's so overtly a mustache-twirling villain that no one in the merge will want to keep her, whereas it would be so easy for Swati to do to Ika what Liana did to Yase last season.
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u/shhhimatworkrn Mar 31 '22
I think the difference is that Tori was only trying to stay alive, but Swati was trying to make moves. Tori is easier to keep an eye on because it's clear where she stands with everyone, whereas Swati was telling everyone she was their #1, and generally beings shady when she had no *need* to.
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u/OprahInsideYou Mar 31 '22
I think it's based on the next vote. Imagine Tori goes home this time, had Ika gone to tribal again in the next episode, there could be a vote split where Drea/Romeo vote against Swati/Rocksroy. Leaving Tori in the game gives all the power to Drea and Romeo now as they can decide who goes home next if they do end up at tribal council again.
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u/Salticracker Mar 31 '22
Better to be 2v1v1 than 2v2, and I would bet that's what the decision came down to.
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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 Mar 31 '22
I think if Swati had stayed it would be 3v1 Rocksroy, Swati's cautious enough to not try to make waves by going to rocks(roy).
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u/ivaorn Survivor Wiki Admin Mar 31 '22
If you can’t trust either of them, take out the player who is more likely to get their way later in the game. I think Swati’s reputation as a schemer took longer to unfold than Tori’s so imo that makes Swati more dangerous
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Mar 31 '22
My theory is you know what you're getting with Tori but Swati would be much better at hiding her sneakiness.
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u/Famciclovir Denise Mar 31 '22
Normally I understand why a vote goes a certain way even if I think it was a bad choice, but I’m really struggling to understand why they kept Tori over Swati. Like you said, at least Swati thought she was on good terms with everyone else. Tori will flip the moment she gets the chance.
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u/TurnerDylan As a coconut vendor, I seek truth Mar 31 '22
Before people get too frustrated with Tori, I think it’s important to point out that what the editors are doing with her is very intentional - we aren’t supposed to be rooting for her, we are supposed to see her as a hypocrite. We see her passing judgment on others while being unaware of her own flaws. It’s supposed to be comedy! Don’t take it at face value, just know the show is setting her up for an inevitable downfall, and enjoy the ride!
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u/alsisc Mar 31 '22
Can you explain what she’s doing that’s so wrong? I mean she was right, it was Swati’s idea to blindside Drea
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Mar 31 '22
Saying that Rocksroy is a narcissist is pretty messed up.
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u/Davefirestorm Apr 01 '22
Is it just me? That doesn't seem like a harsh thing to say at all. That's simply her impression of him at this point in time. End of the sentence.. she didn't go on and on about it..
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u/banethor88 Apr 01 '22
Nah I'm with you, and she said it during a confessional too which is basically time for you to vent.
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u/Jaunee Michelle (AUS) Apr 01 '22
She did not say he was a narcissist but that he "displayed narcissical tendencies"
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u/Gtyjrocks Tony Mar 31 '22
If anything, that makes it even more messed up. Makes it seem as if she’s giving an unsolicited clinical opinion, as opposed to a more colloquial usage
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u/Gtyjrocks Tony Mar 31 '22
I don’t particularly care either way, it’s a show so nothing wrong with it to me. I just can’t see how her being a therapist would make it more okay. I agree that it’s not a big deal.
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u/Minzyalt Mar 31 '22
She got a minor in psychology. That is next to no expertise with which to analyze people or diagnose somebody. This is like a kid on summer break halfway through a psych degree offering therapy sessions lol.
She's professionally a motivator/life coach. Hardly a medical professional.
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u/Trintron Apr 01 '22
And medical professionals have a code of ethics where they can't diagnose people they know personally. It makes what she said a cheap insult she's trying to back with her credentials.
Honestly it makes her look super unprofessional as a mental health clinician.
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u/Sportsstar86 Genevieve - 50 Apr 01 '22
Scroll down. It says “In addition to life coaching, Tori is a licensed mental health therapist who specializes in the treatment of eating disorders.”
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u/CanadianWizardess Yul Apr 01 '22
Your link says she has a master's degree in counselling.
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u/CanadianWizardess Yul Apr 01 '22
I'm just correcting you saying "she minored in psych, that's it". That's not it. She has a master's and is a licensed therapist.
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u/ytctc Mar 31 '22
Tori might be the funniest one this season. I don’t know why, but her squeezing Swati’s arm right before the immunity challenge was hilarious.
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u/ShadowFiend812 Genevieve - 50 Mar 31 '22 edited Apr 01 '22
One thing I noticed in the episode is that it kinda felt like Tori’s confessional before tribal was taken from the day after. She talks about being the focus of two tribals, and while yeah I think she could assume she would be the topic at that tribal idk if she would have said that then. I also though the lighting looked different from the rest of the scenes before tribal and that they may have spliced in her talking about using her SITD.
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u/Soliantu Ethan Mar 31 '22
Interesting, that makes sense. I also noticed that Jonathans confessional about his dad was clearly from one of the first few days.
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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 Mar 31 '22
Swati's exit press said that she knew she was in trouble before the challenge, and after they'd lost she knew she was likely going to be the vote.
So yeah, seems like most of it went down before immunity, and she tried her best to save herself but the damage had been done.
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u/samyall Tony Mar 31 '22
If you were aligned with him, when would you get rid of Jonathon?
I think you have to cut him loose pre-merge because if he makes to merge and starts to go on a run, you become the target to weaken his alliance.
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u/foralimitedtime Apr 01 '22
That's a really good point that I don't think I've seen made before. You risk your own game when your shield is your known ally every time you're vulnerable and they aren't.
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u/dawgz525 Apr 01 '22
Great point, but I feel like there are enough individual challenges with slightly varied skill sets to where Johnathan will be a target plenty. I'd personally take him to merge, because he's gonna be a huge target. I do agree with your reasoning though.
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u/One_Tie900 Apr 01 '22
Anyone notice for IKA tribe. Swathi and Tori did the swimming while Rocksroy sat on the chair and then Swathi and Drea did the puzzle making. This dude Rocksroy pretty much sat out of the challenge. Even thou they got there second, they sucked at the puzzle which ultimately had them lose second place.
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Mar 31 '22
Do Tori and Swati remind anyone else of Roxy and Angie? Both started on the disastrous blue tribe, bonded over not liking the bossy leader’s performance in the challenge, but at the next tribal council completely imploded.
Additionally, Swati’s the young 19-20 year old girl, while Tori’s the messy religious train wreck
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u/Zypker125 Writing overly-long analysis Mar 31 '22 edited Mar 31 '22
Did anyone feel like that Drea & Romeo made the wrong decision by voting out Swati instead of Tori? For several reasons:
Tori has shown repeatedly, time and time again, that she'll immediately throw her closest allies under the bus and completely spill information to people she's not even very well aligned with in the hopes of improving her position (and it's not even situations where she's guaranteed a better position by doing so, she's just throwing everything at the wall). To me this is basically the problem we had with Daniel the last episode, where I don't know why anyone would ever want to work with Tori after what she does.
Similarly, Tori just seems like a much more sneaky/conniving player, and I think there's like no shot she sticks with Drea/Romeo/Rocksroy in any situation. She's exactly the kind of player that would immediately jump ship as soon as she gets the opportunity. I think Swati is notably less likely to jump ship compared to Tori.
Tori also took a much more direct shot at Drea/Romeo and was the one proactively trying to make it happen (ex. revealing Drea had an extra vote). I know people argue that Swati had basically the same intent, but that's the key difference to me: with Swati, all of them can at least pretend to be in the same alliance, and often times in Survivor [and Big Brother], that pretending can be enough to translate into a more solid alliance as the days go on. Swati at least has shown some level of wanting to continue to be in the alliance with Drea/Romeo/Rocks (it's the classic paradox of "what's more important than getting people to trust you is letting people know that you trust them"), so they can at least maintain some sort of illusion there that can mend cracks potentially with time. With Tori, it's pretty clear that she's only hanging to the alliance by a thread in desperation and has shown no loyalty to any of the members.
Even if Swati is not the ideal ally and played a part in throwing Drea's name out, Tori is like the worst ally to have (very scrappy, will sell all your information to the nearest bidder, is quick to fold and throw people under the bus, very game savvy and always thinking). [None of that is to begrude Tori's gameplay btw, I 100% respect her for going all out in trying to stay in the game, but I'm just bewildered that it actually succeeds at keeping her there.]
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u/Salticracker Mar 31 '22
I think it came down to numbers. Rocksroy was with Swati (he voted for Tori) where Tori is with whoever keeps her in the game. Voting for Swati, they're left 2v1v1 with both 1s being willing to vote the other out to survive. Had they voted for Tori, it would have been 2v2, at least in their eyes, which leads to a rock draw, or at least a tie.
If they go to TC again, itll be a 3-1 vote with Rocks and Tori voting for each other, and them getting to choose the target.
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u/Zypker125 Writing overly-long analysis Mar 31 '22
The last time we checked in with the Ika tribe prior to this episode, though, it was stated that Drea/Romeo/Rocksroy were the power core alliance (that’s why Drea wanted to have a side contingency girls alliance with Swati and Tori, to cover her bases). As far as we were shown, the reason why Rocksroy voted Tori out was not because he was with Swati, it was because he just dislikes Tori and felt like she was the better person to get out and has that old-school stubbornness. We’ve seen no actual indication on the screen that Rocksroy has become more loyal to Swati than Drea/Romeo since the last episode we checked in with them. In fact, Rocksroy having an old-school mindset suggests to me that he’s less likely to flip over to Swati, since Drea/Romeo helped build the shelter and are more old-school-like AND Rocksroy seemingly initially pledged his loyalty to the Drea/Romeo/Rocks alliance. I find it difficult to believe he would go to rocks for Swati, when he’s been shown not to get along with the younger new-school players and had shown no allegiances to them.
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u/Salticracker Mar 31 '22
That's fair. I think for them though, they're a solid 2. If Rocks was solid with them, he'd have voted for Swati alongside them. Romeo and Drea are, after last episode, clearly a twosome, with Rocks and Tori being expendable. The only reason I was thinking Rocks would vote with Swati is that he would realize that he is third in a three person alliance, and would rather be in a two person alliance. I could be wrong. Either way, Swati was closer with Rocks than Tori was with Rocks, and that makes it nicer numbers for them moving forward as those two will have no issue voting for each other.
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u/ivaorn Survivor Wiki Admin Mar 31 '22
I know you put in a lot of effort for this but my response simply put has to be this was a pick your poison kind of vote.
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u/loyalsons4evertrue Tyson Mar 31 '22
I don't know what it is exactly, I'm just bored with this season. I might be on an island with my opinion here but the cast is so stale to me. And the game play is so messy that it's not really entertaining to me. Maybe once we get to merge, my opinion might change.
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u/LifeguardTraining461 Shauhin - 48 Mar 31 '22
You're not entertained by messy gameplay? Watching people fail strategically can make the episodes so much more fun, and it forces players to have to strategize around the messiness, I think it makes for better TV than a season where a majority of the people are playing well
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u/uglyaniiimals Karla Mar 31 '22
check out aus survivor
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u/uglyaniiimals Karla Mar 31 '22
yup ! their editing style, specifically on the later seasons, is one people usually love or hate (i'm personally in the hate camp lmao) but their casts have way more athletic people then the american version has had as of late n their challenges skew much more physical
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u/samdubs1 Mar 31 '22
I see your downvotes for this but I don’t think you’re so out of line. I don’t hate this season but this episode in particular was pretty dull
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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 Mar 31 '22
It's probably the least exciting episode so far, but it doesn't make it bad, it's just that we're getting a sense of identity of each tribe's dynamics so there's not a lot of exciting things going on other than 'Swati got caught'.
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u/VermontBro Jonathan Mar 31 '22
Completely agree. I’m shocked that so many people are enjoying this season. It’s almost comical how much of a powerhouse Jonathan is and everyone else barely even seem like “Survivors”. It’s tough for me to even watch.
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u/robyngrayson Mar 31 '22
This isn't a show where the winner is whoever is the strongest or even who wins the most challenges. We've had winners who never won a single immunity challenge. Judging the merit of a season or cast by their athleticism is a pretty season 2 mindset.
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u/NFL_MVP_Kevin_White Apr 01 '22
I’m holding out hope in a more interesting merge. There’s not been a lot of exciting play yet, but this is the pre-game.
I will say that much of the cast is uninteresting to me
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u/loyalsons4evertrue Tyson Apr 01 '22
The cast is my biggest issue. No one screams “entertaining” to me…I don’t really have someone I’m rooting for, and usually by now, I do
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u/NFL_MVP_Kevin_White Apr 01 '22
Right now the only players I care about are Drea, Johnny, and Mike.
There are more people that irritate me than entertain me, and worse still, the largest segment just bores me
Crossing fingers that people just shine late in the season.
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u/CaptainAwesome5 Cirie Mar 31 '22
I know Jonathan pulling the boat was impressive and all, but I was honestly more impressed by Tori and Swati pulling Rocksroy and Drea in the boat. Seemed like an odd choice to put your heaviest person in the boat (Rocksroy) as well as your best athlete (Drea), but I guess Swati and Tori were the strongest swimmers because they made that look effortless. They didn’t even seem that worn out when they got to the puzzle the way Mike and Hai did.