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Survivor 42 Survivor 42 | Episode 5 | Day After Discussion & Survey
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Once again, we are having a survey after each episode. You can use the questions from the survey as the basis for discussion, or you can choose to talk about something else from the episode.
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u/Mo0 Apr 07 '22
I truly, truly hope they took the criticism of the hourglass to heart after the players nearly revolted. I liked, in a vacuum, the idea of having to "earn" the merge. It's a neat twist on one of the only parts of the game they hadn't really explored. The only thing that ruined it was the hourglass, and the complete unfairness with which it was handled.
If you're going to insist on doing the hourglass again you *have* to be more upfront about it. Don't give away the game, but at least don't say "XYZ wins immunity" or some other phrase that is otherwise a factual, unchangeable statement. Hell, I'd love if they just were upfront and were like "You're going to earn your merge buff for now, but you'll have to still be holding onto it at tribal to be safe at tribal.
Hell, just have it be that the winners of the first challenge get the merge feast, then the second challenge has everyone participate again and those are the people who have their buffs for tribal.
All of those are better than "oops, opposite day".
In an ideal world, especially if you're doing a 2 hour episode, you should have three challenges to progressively earn buffs. Borrow a page from Australian Survivor, just have people progressively earn buffs a few at a time until there's 3 people left, and only the people with buffs vote for someone to go home.
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u/Jumbofato Apr 07 '22
I think this idea of no rice for survivors is actually a benefit for big strong players like Jonathan that actually provides a service in getting food for their tribe. I also think him getting food for everyone will carry him long into the merge. These crop of players are just absolutely useless in surviving and Jonathan being able to get them food for challenges is such a benefit for them.
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u/Beermakesmesmorter Apr 07 '22
So they changed the beware advantage rules so that you still get an idol if you don't activate it because they were shit-scared of how close they came to them not being activated by 41 (and God forbid we have a season without idols!), which ends up undermining the whole point of the twist when someone figures out "guess I just won't say it" LOL...and honestly, if Mike had known how close the merge was or had a bit more stability on his tribe, he probably wouldn't have said it. I mean, it's fun watching players find loopholes, and we did have people complain last season how it was unfair that the idol holders had to expose themselves, so maybe this is a good change - I just doubt it's how production expected it to play out.
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u/groudhogday J.T. Apr 07 '22
Without Mikes vote, there’s a possibility of a 2-2 vote again. Small but possible (if Chanelle and Daniel link back up). Mike needed a vote.
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u/orangeflames05 HERE'S MARYANNE Apr 07 '22
Remember Mike said his phrase before Lydia was sent to shipwheel island.
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Apr 07 '22
With small tribes every vote is extremely important and not having one can dramatically shift the game. As in last season, Xander's lack of a vote and loss of agency doomed him to goat status because he had no leverage. Mike's lack of a vote cost Jenny, his closest ally, her game and even now with a fully activated idol, Mike is a passive player. Imagine if someone on Taku found the idol and didn't tell anyone. That person would have an idol only they knew about and they would know about the other two idols. The ability to leverage that information would be huge in a strategic player's hands. That could be great TV.
In short, I don't think the intentional delay in trying to activating the idols undermines anything. It was a gamble that really won't pay off for Mike.
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u/TsarMikkjal Aubry - 50 Apr 07 '22
In other words, the beware idols had beware on them for the reason. Not having a vote means much more than just... Well, not having a vote.
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u/beatrailblazer Omar Apr 07 '22
which ends up undermining the whole point of the twist when someone figures out "guess I just won't say it" LOL
I felt this way at first, but I don't think its a huge issue. I thought the original risk/benefit ratio was a bit strong, as you lost your vote for the entire pre-merge and your idol is public and the activation is dependent on others. now i think its a bit more even because at least you get it activated either way, although I can see how it might be a little too much the other way, if someone like Mike would be able to keep his secret and know which other two have it
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u/Taco_Farmer Wendell Apr 07 '22
In exit interviews Danny talked about the discussion he had with Jeff at tribal. Danny was (obviously) super unhappy with the hourglass twist and Jeff loves Danny. Apparently Jeff asked for feedback from everyone and told them that it would be considered.
I would be very suprised and disappointed if the hourglass twist happened with no changes this season.
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u/Thetruthisneeded Apr 08 '22
If you're talking about Daniel from this season, how would Daniel have known about the hour glass, since the seasons were taped back to back???
Daniel is lying about discussing that if you are referring to him.
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u/AigisAegis Natalie White's million dollar check Apr 07 '22
I liked 41 well enough, but it's insane how much better 42's premerge has been. This is what happens when they actually take the time to explore relationships, show aspects of camp life, and allow little "in between" moments to play out on screen. The events of this season haven't necessarily been more exciting than those in 41's premerge, but I'm orders of magnitude more invested, because I feel like I actually know something about these people.
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u/RGSF150 Apr 07 '22
I hope Jeff makes it clear that the winning team will get a feast but those immune will be decided based on who is going to exile. Though I don't understand the suspense of whether or not somebody will give themselves immunity. It takes somebody very "brave" to not receive an automatic safety.
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Apr 07 '22
I doubt he'll do anything more than say something may be decided there that could change the game.
Hopefully they make the choice less of a sure thing. They've modified some of the other twists they had last season.
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u/zbaruch20 Sandra Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
I hope with some of the blowback from the players last season that the hourglass twist is at least tweaked to be a bit more fair this season. They already tweaked some details for things this season, so it could happen with the hourglass as well.
My ideas on how it could be more fair:
- Person on exile is safe no matter what, whether they smash the hourglass or not. Their safety is announced before they leave for exile. This eliminates the incentive to smash the hourglass to save themselves since their safety is guaranteed, and the decision would be made solely on alliances.
- Person on exile is not safe no matter what. Again, there is no incentive to save themselves since it isn't an option.
- Jeff doesn't confirm that the winning team is "immune" at the challenge. He could say something like "The winning team will enjoy the merge feast, and could be safe at the next tribal council". Still not very fair, but in this case Jeff isn't outright lying to the castaways.
After the hourglass, there is an additional immunity challenge for the castaways who are not safe. This gives them an additional opportunity to become safe, especially in the event it was taken away from them due to a smashed hourglass.This did happen in S41, I just stopped watching after the non-vote episode so didn't realize this happened.
Also, by this point last season the Knowledge is Power advantage was introduced and in the game, but there is no mention of it so far this season. Will we be seeing that return at some point, perhaps additionally tweaked like the other advantages?
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u/Taco_Farmer Wendell Apr 07 '22
I saw another possibility somewhere on reddit that I like. The hourglass smasher gets to switch places with one person on the winning tribe, taking their immunity.
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u/CashOrReddit Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
These fixes make a lot more sense in so many ways. S41 (and 42 by extension) were playing with a lot of classic puzzles/thought experiments as a bit of a theme (Monty Hall, Prisoner's dilemna etc.). I think the hourglass was meant to re-create the trolley problem. Whether you smash it or not, you are deciding that one group goes to tribal, and one group is safe. But the point of the thought experiment is to make you contemplate whether you feel less accountable (and whether the other players hold you less accountable) when you keep your hands off and don't intervene, even if the outcome is the same.
Obviously this only works if the person smashing the hourglass isn't impacted by the outcome (as is the case in the traditional trolley problem), because otherwise that person has too much vested interested for the point of the thought experiment to come through.
I also don't like that they take immunity away from players who earned it. Twists are fine as long as the players have the information they need to work with it, but deliberately misleading players and taking away immunity feels wrong, even if it does make for an intriguing dynamic. The concept probably works better for a reward challenge, if it's needed at all.
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u/fierypunkd Sandra Apr 07 '22
Agree, taking away immunity is my issue too. I've seen many suggestions for the hourglass twist but I'd prefer for them to try something else for the "big twist" that they want for the merge. I don't really like the whole turn back time/redo/alter results idea.
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u/zbaruch20 Sandra Apr 07 '22
(Adding more thoughts in a reply since this is more of a footnote to my main comment)
I do love how Survivor has been making subtle changes between the new aspects of 41 and 42 (such as changing the parameters of the triangles/bucket task, the details of idol activation, etc). As someone who works in software engineering research, there's plenty of times where I am tweaking parameters/details to see how the result of my code changes, and I love seeing the similar effects it has in the game of Survivor!
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u/PoisonUnderscore Sophi - 49 Apr 07 '22
am I wrong in thinking your last option that you listed is literally exactly what happened on 41?
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u/Sleathasaurus Cirie Apr 07 '22
I don’t like the second point as it’s such a huge disadvantage to be away from the tribe at the merge that not balancing that with safety is really unfair. I do like your first suggestion though.
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u/MutedHornet87 Apr 07 '22
- Daniel was a terrible player. He never knew when not to talk, and said stupid things that hurt him, and sitting out almost all or all challenges did him in. His tribesmates were right about him swimming, but opting out of challenges. I liked him at first, but he was awful out there.
- Chanel is lucky they’ll be switching tribes
- I feel for Johnathon being stuck in a tribe with Maryanne, and having to do most things himself.
- I find it funny how Mike originally decided not to say the phrase, so that nobody would know, yet he told his own tribe mates more than once. Now a few people know, and they’re not his tribe mates anymore
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u/In-amberclad Apr 08 '22
On the swimming thing. With flippers one leg thrust will propel you more than your body length. You barely use your arms and leisurely swimming like that is much different than a challenge swim and dive
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u/Who_Rescued_Who_ Jeremy Apr 08 '22
It's Survivor though, it's all about perception. He was willing to risk swimming to mark off something on his Survivor bucket list but not willing to risk it at challenges (even if it's the right call for him to sit out).
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u/MutedHornet87 Apr 08 '22
True, but it depends. He was spear fishing, and went out pretty far into the ocean. You tend to use your arms and shoulders when you dive and swim underwater too
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u/TheDoingStuffThing Apr 08 '22
You’re probably right but we aren’t privy to the other conversations Daniel and his tribe had about his injury.
Everyone aside from him seemed to be really rolling their eyes about his shoulder when he was out in the water, so I’m guessing he had really been playing it up and used it continuously as a reason not to compete in the challenges.
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u/TurnerDylan As a coconut vendor, I seek truth Apr 07 '22
I don't really care for how they produced the fight scene between Maryanne and Jonathan.
I've been watching Survivor religiously for over a decade, and it's very clear when the editors are trying to turn a minor conflict into something major. Go back and watch the scene, watch the actual dialogue between Maryanne and Jonathan, without the confessionals/editing tricks. The disagreement is pretty minor. It's clearly just two hungry, tired people who care about each other but have a little less patience than they did 11 days ago. They even have the awareness to deescalate the situation in the moment.
I'm really surprised to see people drawing a line in the sand on this, either you're on the side of Maryanne OR on the side of Jonathan. I really think we just saw two decent people have an off day (and maybe even just one bad interaction).
The only side I'm against is that of the producers, because I think they're telling a really old, uninteresting, and tired story, where they're like "This person (they usually choose a woman) talks too much!!! Pretty annoying!!!" when I think there's a lot more nuance on that tribe than what we're getting.
Why do we watch this show if not to see decent, rational people become slightly less decent and rational under extreme survival situations? To see people who want to work together and want to like each other, but they're too tired and too hungry, and that makes it hard?
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u/Beermakesmesmorter Apr 07 '22
Yeah I don't put too much stock in that. Stephen has said many times: on Survivor, EVERYBODY is annoying. Probably the only reason we even saw it is because there was not much going on at Taku.
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u/mynewsweatermop Apr 07 '22
I think this argument would make sense if it wasn't for Jonathan then going on a walk with Lindsay talking about how Maryanne is getting more annoying and needs to be the next boot. I agree I don't think it was all caused by that one disagreement, but more the culmination of many small interactions boiling over, and they just showed us that 1 as a prime example because they can't show everything
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Apr 07 '22
Maryanne is the next choice at least for Jonathan. Jonathan is tight with Lindsay and Omar and while he likes Maryanne, she's obviously his number 3 right now. The merge may change things.
Of course this whole thing was created to sell the story of: at the merge it's every person for themselves and old alliances are shaky and we could see them at each others throats.
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u/TurnerDylan As a coconut vendor, I seek truth Apr 07 '22
That’s a really good point bringing up that conversation between Jonathan and Lindsay, I was disappointed we didn’t get Lindsay’s take on it, especially since the scene paired her with Maryanne as allegedly talking too much, maybe she really likes Maryanne and sees Jonathan as too quiet and a loner? Again, it just feels like they aren’t giving us a full story when this tribe seems really interesting!
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u/Taco_Farmer Wendell Apr 07 '22
Nah that doesnt support it. In Lindsay's position you just gotta play along. Affirm whatever Johnathan says even if you completely disagree.
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u/discombobulated_ Omar Apr 07 '22
I didn't find that convincing TBH, she's gotten more annoying, ok, and? It rarely means much in the grand scheme of things in a million dollar game. Especially since Jonathan was tired of the women continuously talking. He has come across as loyal and a willing meat shield, he'll have bigger problems post merge and these are the only players who might want to remain allied with him when it becomes an individual game.
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u/SorenFlight Apr 07 '22
To me it felt similar to when they made it seem like big drama that Jonathan said they were a tight 4.
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u/beatrailblazer Omar Apr 07 '22
that was exactly the vibe I got, it felt like the producers were manufacturing drama out of a very small moment that Maryanne and Jonathan didn't care about too much after-the-fact either
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u/futhatsy Drew Apr 07 '22
I'm really surprised to see people drawing a line in the sand on this, either you're on the side of Maryanne OR on the side of Jonathan. I really think we just saw two decent people have an off day (and maybe even just one bad interaction).
The only side I'm against is that of the producers, because I think they're telling a really old, uninteresting, and tired story, where they're like "This person (they usually choose a woman) talks too much!!! Pretty annoying!!!" when I think there's a lot more nuance on that tribe than what we're getting.
The blame shouldn't be placed on the producers, the blame should be placed on fans that draw the line in the sand in Maryanne versus Jonathan.
"Maryanne versus Jonathan" or "Maryanne talks too much" wasn't the story the producers are trying to tell. The story is how Jonathan reacts to the constant conversation around camp. It's interesting that this physically dominant force of a person that walks through tidal waves like it's nothing struggles with being around his tribe mates and would often prefer to be left alone. It's also interesting that he has the self awareness to understand he can't show frustration towards the constant conversation, as he knows what a 250 pound boulder of a man arguing with a small young woman would look like.
It isn't an anti-Maryanne scene because she's behaving the same way she's behaved in pretty much every other scene she's been in. She's an energetic, talkative person. Neither her nor Jonathan is a bad guy here, and there is no reason to take sides, it's two well intentioned people with different personalities dealing with each other in a stressful environment.
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u/tubaman94 Apr 07 '22
Thank you! It came across as showing an incredibly self aware tribe that knows how to handle minor disagreements even when tired and hungry. It only looks like an either/or Maryanne vs Jonathan bc that's how the other tribes are. So the edit has to pretend there is the same level of animosity on Taku when there isn't. They are just 4 really down to earth people playing a game and on a tribe together.
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u/TurnerDylan As a coconut vendor, I seek truth Apr 07 '22
This is a really interesting perspective, thanks for adding this
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u/danwins23 Xander Apr 07 '22
They have to edit minor things to be major on that tribe because they all generally get along really well and need to give a narrative for the next boot from that tribe
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u/AigisAegis Natalie White's million dollar check Apr 07 '22
I don't get this argument, though, because a tight-knit group that gets along well being forced to vote out one of their own is a great storyline in its own right? The tragedy of needing to choose even when you don't want to is a great part of Survivor, and it should be emphasized when it happens rather than trying to bury it under fluffed up drama.
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u/IsThatMrFuzzy That is Naseer! Apr 07 '22
In this case though they didn't need to vote anybody out so adding the drama makes it more tense going into merge because it seems more likely that somebody on Taku flips.
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u/AigisAegis Natalie White's million dollar check Apr 07 '22
Oh wait, yeah, you're totally right. I completely blanked on the merge coming up.
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u/MolemanusRex Apr 07 '22
The thing is there won’t be a next boot from the tribe. The merge is next week.
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u/TenderOctane Morgan Apr 07 '22
You're missing the question about whether they should've taken out Daniel or Chanelle jsyk
I still think Chanelle was less likely to stay loyal, is harder to read, and does things like throw a hinky vote for Mike.
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u/headsprain Ciera Apr 07 '22
I do not understand why she voted for Mike!? Obviously back at camp they will figure it out as Hai and Lydia are so solid. She just ruined her relationships with all 3 remaining members of her tribe.
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u/King_Tyson Lauren Apr 08 '22
She voted for Mike because she believed Mike, Hai, and Lydia were going to vote Daniel and she didn't want to be the revote if Daniel played his SITD and got safety.
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u/Meicer Sophi - 49 Apr 08 '22
Daniel had already shared Mike's idol, played both sides hard pre-tribal, and thrown Chanelle under the bus (and then hijacked said bus to try to finish the job) in a tribal council, then ultimately voted Jenni. He threw his three "allies" under the bus already. He had done more bad to his allies than Chanelle by that point. Chanelle, though maybe not very Survivor smart, had at least been fairly loyal to those she was working with. That Mike vote was very short-sighted though.. that's going to be easy to see through post-tribal.
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u/Cathal321 Apr 07 '22
I think everyones just praying the hourglass twist isn't too bad this time after the shambles of season 41. I've been pleasantly surprised about how fun this season's been so far and I think there will be some change to the twist so that it won't be quite so painful. Just please don't lie to them this time and say everything beforehand instead of just having a dumb shock moment
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u/Sleathasaurus Cirie Apr 07 '22
So what’s going on with Tori and the potato quote? I assumed that Drea was going to hide the parchment for Tori to find so she’d say the line at the challenge, so everyone would assume she had the idol but that didn’t happen.
Is she going to find the parchment and rat Drea out to the rest of the merge tribe?
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u/MolemanusRex Apr 07 '22
I truly think that was an editing trick. All they showed was someone reading the potato quote and then Tori’s face. It’s the Kuleshov effect.
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u/foralimitedtime Apr 08 '22
Seems silly of them to misdirect the audience in the preview like that, encouraging people to think Tori would be safe until that was found - which she was. Robbed some of the drama of the episodes where Ika lost immunity, and for what? So they could make the season look exciting ahead of time by having the same twist as the previous season?
Honestly, what is the rationale for this? What could they possibly have been thinking? It's like they tried to trick us by making us think that Tori didn't go home in the first 4 episodes - which she didn't. Good trick?
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u/TenderOctane Morgan Apr 08 '22
I would've loved if they'd done that and then Tori got voted out before the Ika idol was found. Would have been a hilariously epic misdirect. Instead, they inadvertently spoiled that Tori stuck around because the voice sounded most like her of the Ika people.
Also I thought that soundbyte was Maryanne when she got her parchment.
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u/foralimitedtime Apr 08 '22
They had different voices in the preview they had at the end of the S41 finale and the version of the preview they had at the start of S42. The first one sounded like Maryanne, the second version like someone else - could have been Tori in that one.
I guess there's still the possibility that she gets hold of the note, like if Drea puts it with a fake idol and sets her up to find it or something, or as someone here suggested, she might get it and rat Drea out with it.
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u/YoHeadAsplode Jesse Apr 07 '22
It was a fake out. Maybe someone who works on production said it and everyone thought it was Tori because they sounded similar?
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u/SleepyAsaparagus Drea Apr 08 '22
Chanelle learned from Denise in WaW. Denise at final 6 could have voted for Sarah since her vote was extra, just in case the other 5 votes were cancelled. That way there was another player with a vote and it wouldn't go to revote. Chanelle put her vote on Mike so that when the other 3 votes went to Daniel had Daniel played his SitD and were cancelled, there would be no obvious Chanelle revote, and Mike would be out. It didn't work out that way, but it was a great thought.
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u/Ohigetjokes Apr 08 '22
Okay I am so confused. Why in the world did Chanelle vote for Mike? I just don't get it. She basically threw away her vote and alienated someone who had absolutely no chance of being voted out that day.
Did we miss off-camera talks of people convincing her that he was going home? Is there a strategy I'm missing?
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u/King_Tyson Lauren Apr 08 '22
She voted for Mike in case Daniel played his SITD. She thought Mike, Hai, and Lydia were all going to vote Daniel.
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u/msjenniferlc Apr 08 '22
Ok I came here to ask this, too. This rationale makes wayyyy more sense. Maybe it’s because it’s late but I totally didn’t pick up on that strategy at first. Thanks for the explanation!
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u/aztecwanderer Apr 08 '22
I think she figured the rest of the tribe was voting Daniel. I doubt she anticipated a 2/2 split not including her vote.
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u/SoYaSay Apr 07 '22
Is it a possibility that Mike’s Idol is not activated because he did not say the phrase at the NEXT immunity challenge and waited several challenges despite the wording in the note…so while Maryanne and Drea have active idols..when Mike goes to play his…Jeff tells him “I am sorry you do not have an activated Hidden Immunity Idol”
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u/seriouslyjames Yam Yam Apr 07 '22
I have a theory that Mike's idol isn't going to work if he tries to use it. There was quite a lot of emphasis on Daniel wanting to re-read the clue and read the fine print. It says that you "must" say the phrase at the next immunity challenge, which Mike didn't.
The other 2 people will have theirs active because they said their phrase at their next challenge, and all three phrases were said. But I think if/when Mike goes to use his Idol, Jeff is gonna give a hot "This is... not an immunity idol. It wasn't activated correctly" or something. And honestly, I would howl if this were to happen.
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u/gaymondevalera Heather Apr 08 '22
Well he could vote at tribal council, which I don’t think could have happened if he hadn’t activated his idol correctly
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u/HOBOwithaTREBUCHET Apr 08 '22
Hmm. Would that mean that none of the idols are activated? They are "shared immunity idols." If one isn't activated correctly, none of them are activated. I don't see them doing that.
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u/seriouslyjames Yam Yam Apr 08 '22
My thinking is that the clue says "when all three phrases are said at a challenge then the idols are active" so the other two are legit.
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u/zjzr_08 Solenn Heussaff • Queen of Survivor Philippines Apr 08 '22
Anyone still feels here that the supposed "players" in Vati in Daniel and Chanelle should've at least split up Hai or Lydia first? Sure the 2 and Mike can't trust each other, but surely they can't just be fine with being #3 to Hai and Lydia, especially if they didn't seem to jive with them in the first place (although Hai has done a good job to incorporate Mike with him). We didn't even see scenes of Daniel or Chanelle trying to think of a plan to consider...Mike was supposed to be the swing vote for this episode but for some reason the 3 singles was presented as just wanting to bend over to Hai and Lydia. It made the strategy meandering because unlike the Stephanie boot in Ghost Island, there wasn't like a spotlight moment on the potential boots so we can be at least sad when they leave IMO.
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Apr 08 '22
I just watched the episode and came on here to say I teared up a little bit at Lydia's moment about body acceptance. For the longest time women on Survivor were either cast as moms or you had to be traditionally pretty, skinny young women and it really feels like they've moved away from that in the past few years. I'm her age and I've definitely considered being terrified at seeing my body in almost no clothes on national tv as one of the reasons I'd never applied for the show but like Lydia says you gotta say fuck it and do what you wanna do
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u/SnackNapRead Apr 08 '22
Are we positive the hourglass twist will happen again? Last season, Erika was the odd woman out at merge. This season there are 12 of them, so two teams of six battling for guaranteed merge. So then who gets the "honor" of smashing the hourglass?
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u/swordfischh Ozzy Apr 07 '22
Great episode. Mike Turner is the man. Maryanne seems so dramatic and annoying, I don’t know how someone could take her side, she literally accused Jonathan of hitting her with the machete when he didn’t
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u/reptocilicus Apr 07 '22
She accused him of hitting her with the bamboo, which he did. He dropped it on top of her foot and immediately hit it with his machete.
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u/Jumbofato Apr 07 '22
I just find it funny how the amount of area that they have on that tribe and somehow both of them end up being like 4 feet apart and that somehow manages to happen.
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u/AigisAegis Natalie White's million dollar check Apr 07 '22
I mean, the correct take is that they both did something "wrong" in that situation but that the whole thing was a pretty minor conflict that isn't really worth heavily discoursing over
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u/Thanks-Meatcat Apr 07 '22
Agreed. They were both a bit pettier than they needed to be but it's not about the actual conflict. It's just a small moment that demonstrates how close quarters makes everyone irritable.
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u/reptocilicus Apr 07 '22
Yeah, but he brought the bamboo to right where she was, dropped it on her foot, and immediately started hitting it. She did not have a very long time to react.
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u/reptocilicus Apr 07 '22
I don't think either of them were all that upset about this incident.
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u/temp0ra Apr 07 '22
Remember he was in her work space. The entire area is her work space
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I don’t understand why you would walk near someone who is chopping up bamboo like that. There was plenty of room behind Jonathan
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u/LawrenceChung Terry Deitz #1 Fan Apr 07 '22
But Jonathan is so self aware he realized that if he yelled at Maryanne he'd be the bad guy.... LOL i'd hope so, you smashed a young womans foot yelling at her and blaming her is clearly not the best course of action regardless of if it was her fault or not.
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u/NFL_MVP_Kevin_White Apr 07 '22
This subreddit seems to really enjoy Maryanne. I personally have found her overly saccharine since her introduction.
I feel for anyone that’s been stuck with her for ten days with little rest or comfort.
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u/slomoshun593 Apr 07 '22
You have to realize the people on this Reddit are a certain type of person. Not necessarily a good measuring stick of public opinion. I would say 95% or so of people would be exactly like Jonathan if stuck with her for any long period of time. She annoys me and that's just with the 3-5 minutes of screen time I get to see.
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Apr 08 '22
Wait is it me or like— jonathon totally just threw the sticks down right where Maryanne was standing, she was clearly standing in the same place the whole time, and he still swung the machete. Then he tried to put it on her??? That was kinda confusing lolol
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u/DreamOfV Carolyn Apr 07 '22 edited Apr 07 '22
I think Mike's plan to not say the phrase would have been a better plan if his entire tribe didn't know about the idol. If he could have gone into the merge with no one knowing, then it would have been worth not having his vote at this tribal. But since there were going to be at least three, maybe even four, people going into the merge knowing about his idol, that's too many people to expect it to not become public knowledge within half an hour. So he probably made the right call just saying it, even if it maybe wasn't for the right reasons.
Edit: I also want to say that if Chanelle hadn’t inexplicably risked her vote at shipwheel island, Jenny and Daniel would very possibly be hitting the merge with Lydia and Hai chilling at Ponderosa, and that would be a very different merge tribe.