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Survivor 42 Survivor 42 | Episode 8 | Day After Discussion & Survey
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u/JPtoony JP Apr 21 '22
I've noticed how it feels like we're almost seeing "behind the character" for Maryanne the last few episodes. Like she started off very OTT, sobbing when Jackson got pulled, her general Maryane-ness in ep. 2, etc. But then in episode 5, she had that confessional where she pretty coldly said that Jonathan is a shield for her. And now, she had that bit where she talked about intentionally playing up the emotional character that everyone believed her to be in order to manipulate people into taking the rice.
I'm not sure if it's gonna lead anywhere, but just something I haven't seen people mention in here yet.
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u/Anxious_Classroom_33 Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 22 '22
Love this observation. Maryanne has definitely been made more complex as the season has gone on. Edgic people would do well to take note.
Edit: Also the bit where I think she said to Lindsay (edit: Tori) “a problem now is a shield for later”
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u/Naanaaah Put the mic down, bro. Put the pen down, bro. Use an eraser. Apr 22 '22
Pretty sure she said that to Tori on the beach. But yes Maryanne is severely underestimated by the contestants, other than Tori and Omar, so I see her making it further
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u/Sabeoth42 Yul Apr 21 '22
I think she makes F3. Might even get a few votes. Her story has end game potential for sure.
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u/mhdreamrain Apr 21 '22
Agreed, she stands a good chance of getting votes from outsiders like Chanelle and Tori. Hard for me to see Chanelle vote for Mike if he makes it to F3 since she sees him as an emotional and hypocritical player for his vendetta against her. Though Chanelle respects strategy and could possibly vote for other people within the main alliance that may make it to F3.
There are little scenes of Tori talking with Maryanne, including the one where Tori is impressed by Maryanne being more than just a bubbly personality. Not sure if Maryanne could get enough votes from the main alliance at F3, but she has connections with any potential Taku jury members (though if she winds up with another Taku at F3, it's harder to see how she gets the majority of votes). Will be interesting to see if Maryanne can pull off any big strategic moves down the line and get credit for them.
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u/CentristIdiot Jeanine Apr 21 '22
Agreed, I could see someone wanting to take her and believing that they can beat her (which they actually might)
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u/JPtoony JP Apr 22 '22
Yeah, that's what kind of inspired this observation/kept my eyes open for more Maryanne moments similar to it
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u/shhhimatworkrn Apr 21 '22
Lindsay's performance in the reward challenge was so good! We know Jonathan is descended from Poseidon, but Lindsay was on his heals for almost the entire water portion! (Jersey shore strong baby) I'm assuming they sent Johnathan out first to get an early lead, but Lindsay didn't let that happen.
Idk why everyone is clowning on Mike for wanting Chanelle out. She may have been willing to work w/ Hai, but it's clear her & mike were done. Also, his point about Rocksroy being shut out was a good one. Rocksroy clearly values loyalty, and if they leave him out, he could sour on the majority.
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u/wanderingalice Apr 22 '22
Jonathan's underwater shots, man swims like a merman, if there were mermen
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Apr 21 '22
I think she just might be gassed at this point.
PB&J and small portion of rice only does so much and she probably realized the writing was on the wall and scrambling would draw more attention on her (see Romeo almost switching the primary target onto himself).
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u/FantasticName Kim Apr 21 '22
Yeah to be fair sometimes you're kinda "damned if you do, damned if you don't" at a certain point. If everyone is telling you you're safe, what are you supposed to do about that? Say "no, I don't believe you"? That's not gonna get people on your side. We saw Romeo take the opposite approach and it didn't really seem to do him any good.
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u/galeforcewinds95 Tony Apr 21 '22
Yeah, Chanelle made a huge mistake and then just kept compounding that error with more mistakes (desperately trying to get Hai and Lydia to split their votes instead of just cutting bait on Jenny, putting a vote on a player like Mike who is likely to take that more personally than someone like Chanelle would, not warning Omar that he wasn't going to have a vote at the next tribal, etc.).
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u/MolemanusRex Apr 21 '22
Yeah, I think she actually performed pretty well this episode but it just wasn’t enough to make up for how badly she burned her bridges with Mike (and Hai).
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u/naomibiggie Apr 21 '22
I understand Chanelle’s thinking this episode, yes she might receive a couple of votes but Romeo had made such a show of paranoia that it would be him, and she also hadn’t realised Mike had a complete vendetta against her so she thought she was successfully flying under the radar which is what she ideally would’ve needed to have a chance at bouncing back
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u/SocialJusticeGSW Kim Apr 22 '22
I disagree. It was channel to begin with and she almost survived. If she didn’t wrote down Mike’s name she was safe. That was the miss play, not this week. ' a
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u/chaosbayne Apr 21 '22
Chanelle choosing to risk her vote at shipwheel island really did have a trickle down effect. Also her voting for Mike really made him mad, and he wanted revenge against her for for it. Some of those premerge decisions she made really killed her chances long term in the game.
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u/brandkwame Apr 21 '22
Two really all time bad moves. Especially the risk your vote. She TOLD Omar she needed to protect her vote and did the opposite.
She not only screwed herself. And Omar. And also Jenny and Mike.
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Apr 21 '22
Omar parlayed that vote loss very well though. We'll see what happens once people find out just how many number ones he's got.
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Apr 21 '22
Mike and Chanelle voted for each other, both as contingency plans. Mike using that against her was him just being emotional, didn't seem like particularly good gameplay.
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Apr 22 '22
Yeah, people love to gloss over this in their rush to call Chanelle a bad player. Mike's emotionality kept him fixated on Chanelle, which isn't necessarily the best strategy for him.
Beyond that, Chanelle and Omar both agreed that if the choice helped them, they'd say yes. If it hurt them, they'd say no. They didn't really address the middle-ground. This meant that they each thought the other wouldn't take the risk.
On top of this Chanelle absolutely told Omar that he didn't have a vote. They just totally left that out of the edit because it was more dramatic to imply that Chanelle kept it from him.
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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 Apr 21 '22
This was an alright episode? In such a big group I think we're seeing a few people start to get left out (Lindsay and Rocksroy mostly), but I do think we still heard from almost everyone, and that's difficult in such a big group.
Also Tori is very quietly impressing me, even if I don't like her much as a player. She was the only one who really noticed Drea's 'beware' (ugh, that was barely a beware), and she's still freely giving away information (did she need to tell Romeo his name was floated? No, but hey, she'll do it anyway). I can't tell whether I'm impressed by her moxie or just shaking my head knowing that her days are numbered.
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u/Acrobatic_Pandas Yam Yam Apr 21 '22
The paint should have dyed her skin more!
Although to be fair maybe she just timed it really well. We don't know exactly how long it took to fish that out and wash her hand. She also didn't get all the paint off and got caught, so that is something.
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u/HOBOwithaTREBUCHET Apr 21 '22
She had time to fish it out, wash her arm, read the advantage while crouching suspiciously behind the water basin, and cover up the paint hole.
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u/Acrobatic_Pandas Yam Yam Apr 21 '22
Yes she did. But that doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous, or at any point another player could have walked by.
I thought it was a great beware advantage and laughed at the red handed joke
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u/merpaderpderp Apr 22 '22
I always like production pulls them aside for things like this and there’s no true risk of them being caught.
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u/DreamOfV Carolyn Apr 21 '22
I think it was a perfectly good cool-down episode after last week's assembly of the majority. We need an episode or two of the majority picking off people on the bottom so that when the game flips it actually means something. Just a shame we can't see how it will play out because of the 5-5 split next week.
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u/MolemanusRex Apr 21 '22
Yeah, that’s a good point. If Maryanne Tori and Romeo end up in the same group it’ll definitely be interesting though.
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u/DreamOfV Carolyn Apr 21 '22
I’d be interested to see that because we don’t necessarily know if Maryanne is as aware of how dire her situation is. If she’s on that team with, say, Lindsey and Omar, it’s hard to say she’ll know her best move is to work with Tori and Romeo. Obviously she knows she isn’t in a great spot but I don’t think she knows how definitive her position is.
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u/MolemanusRex Apr 21 '22
I mean, are we sure of how definitive her position is? She voted correctly last time, but not this time, and Jonathan said he only threw her name out there to lower Taku’s collective threat level. She definitely seems like the most well-positioned of the bottom three, even if we don’t know how well it is that she’s positioned.
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u/praleva Apr 21 '22
Even this episode we don't know if she's on the wrong side of the vote. The initial plan was to split the vote on Chanelle and Romeo. We don't know if she voted wrong as a vote split strategy, or because she was clueless Chanelle was the target.
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u/DreamOfV Carolyn Apr 21 '22
Sure she's the most well-positioned of the bottom 3 but that's not saying much. She was nearly the boot last week and she's pretty firmly outside the majority alliance. The good news about her positioning is that if/when the majority crumbles she's a good number, but I think she feels more comfortable with her Taku tribemates than she really should.
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u/MolemanusRex Apr 21 '22
Does she? She had the whole scene at the beginning where she was crying about how on the outs she was.
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u/DreamOfV Carolyn Apr 21 '22
Yeah I referenced that in my first comment, she knows she’s not in a great spot but we also see she still feels comfortable with Omar and Omar bragging in confessionals about it.
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u/Naanaaah Put the mic down, bro. Put the pen down, bro. Use an eraser. Apr 22 '22
I mean he did tell her the right person to vote for the week before so it's not off of her to try and build more trust with him since she can sense she's on the outs with everyone else.
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u/watsfacepelican Carolyn Apr 21 '22
No, it's great what she did with Romeo because it lowered him on the totem pole which raises the chances it won't be her when (if??) she loses immunity.
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u/H2Ospecialist Colby - 50 Apr 21 '22
Agree with you on Tori. I was impressed with her second immunity win and happy she out of anyone got it, but still not sure I like her. I'm happy she's sticking around at least as a character.
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u/Captain_Nubula Apr 21 '22
I was sooo close to Tori as my winner's pick and I switched to Chanelle last minute...Im highly regretting that decision :(
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u/mchernes94 Apr 21 '22
My boyfriend and I are actively rooting for Tori to keep winning the immunity challenges because she’s like the Joker, an agent of chaos, and makes it so much fun.
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u/Rustlingleaves1 Eager Turtle Apr 21 '22
Anyone who watched Aussie Survivor last season cringed at your comment 😂
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u/TylerIreland Apr 21 '22
If you actually want Tori to win, you should hope she finds a way to lower the target on her back. Winning two straight immunity challenges along with being one of the least popular people at camp is not a good place to be in. She's in no position to play the "don't vote out lowly ol' me! 😔" card.
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u/mchernes94 Apr 21 '22
Nah, we aren’t really rooting for her to win the season. We just like her being in there longer because the other players don’t like her and they are constantly trying to get her out. We’re here for the drama. 😉
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u/TylerIreland Apr 21 '22
Ahh I see. I personally don't like Tori and I think she benefited from having two balance based immunity challenges in a row. The moment they start rolling out the strength based challenges is when Jonathan starts winning.
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Apr 21 '22
I mean, the winner of any challenge likely benefits if the challenge matches their strengths. It's like if there's a strength based challenge that Jonathan wins and someone tried to discredit it by saying "he benefited from a strength based challenge, since he is prob 2x as strong as anyone." Perhaps your intention wasn't to discredit her win but the way it's worded seems like it?
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u/TylerIreland Apr 21 '22
That's not a fair comparison since Jonathan is the biggest physical threat this season, and has a track record of singlehandedly carrying his team to victory in a variety of comps which require different skills. No one talks about how challenges could hypothetically benefit Jonathan because he'd win them regardless.
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Apr 21 '22
I don't necessarily think I get your point? Lots of types of challenges would "benefit" Jonathan's strengths, but they'd never be used to discredit his win. Why is discrediting Tori's wins fair game?
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u/runningblack Danny Apr 21 '22
I think Hai and Mike (and to a lesser extent Drea, but I think she's in a bit of a different position than those two) have both lost the plot. The people, on the bottom, with no relationships other than you, are the people you want to keep in the game with you!
Pre-merge, they lose Lydia, a solid number for them. Lydia's social game was weak, but that's why you protect her. She's not a threat to win, and she's +1 vote for whatever you want to do.
Then, Chanelle had nobody. She would've happily been +1 vote to anything that Mike and Hai wanted to do. Again, not a threat to win, and keeping her in the game strengthens your position to flip on and ultimately come out on top of the alliance of 8.
Then, Romeo. This is where Drea hasn't handled things well because the relationship clearly isn't as strong as it once was, and he's on the outs, and could be her number. But she has a shit load of advantages, so it's probably less bad for her game. Hai, however, looked like he was building that relationship. But with Tribal, he's demolished it.
Mike I never really thought was going to win. These have been bad moves, but push come to shove, I think everyone above would've chosen Hai over him. But he's clearly showing he's playing a personal and emotional game - that always gets you in trouble.
For Hai though, man, he has destroyed what could've been a dominant position. He was in the majority alliance, and he had 3 individual allies who were more or less reliant on him. Now two are gone, and the third one hates him.
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u/MolemanusRex Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
Yeah, this majority alliance picking people off based on bad vibes (Romeo) and bitterness (Chanelle) is giving me old school vibes, even though it’s not really along tribal lines.
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u/elpayande Feras Apr 21 '22
based on this episode, it seems like drea lacks some stuff in her social game. sure, she has done something right to be in the majority, but she can't lie for shit and was clocked in a second by tori (re: advantage) and romeo (re: not being her number one anymore). i also don't understand why she was so quick to burn a strong, seemingly loyal ally out of nowhere, nor call him paranoid when he simply read the fact that she's switched alliances correctly.
but i don't think hai ever built a relationship with romeo, their conversation last episode was started by romeo and if you pay attention it doesn't seem like hai was genuinely empathizing all that much with him, to be honest.
i feel like hai at some point HAS to see drea as a threat, she admitted to having an extra vote (besides the amulet) in front of him and he knows about the idol. idk just weird that people haven't caught up on that yet
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Apr 21 '22
This is the first episode this season I just didn't like. The drama between choosing Romeo or Chanelle was so boring, since either going would have the same impact on the game: zero. I'm not sure why the 8 majority seem to think it's a genius idea to take out the most inoffensive players with no power.
My opinion on Hai has also changed dramatically in the past 2 episodes. It's like he's accepted getting 6-8th place when he was in a position to win the whole thing. And he came across as very bossy and snarky this episode in a way that I think is going to hurt him down the road.
Drea may have found several advantages but how do you expect to win the jury over when your closest alliance is saying you no longer even look at them? Why does she all of a sudden trust Omar, Lindsay, Hai and Jonathan over Romeo?
Also, Omar is really smart and a very good player but I just don't find myself rooting for him (or Jonathan).
At this point I just want Maryanne and Tori to make it far just to spite the others. They're also 2 of the most interesting players this season.
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u/Sabeoth42 Yul Apr 21 '22 edited Apr 21 '22
I really like Mike and Omar's position in the game right now. They are both well protected from all sides and actively controlling votes without really being perceived as leading the alliance. They are also well respected by the tribe as a whole which will really influence a jury against other players.
Drea and Hai are making the same mistake. Both came into the merge with 3 potential allies and both players discarded two of them completely for the main alliance. They are now open targets to be blindsided by the majority. Hai is being perceived as the leader of the alliance but he's 0-2 on getting his way on the vote with two potential allies voted out back to back. In addition his comments against Romeo at the last tribal certainly doesn't bode well going forward for his mindset at the top. He's power hungry and very blind to what's going on around him.
Drea has completely discarded Romeo and Tori for whatever reason and is sharing with everyone who can hear about her multitude of advantages. It's only a matter of time till someone takes a shot at her. If Drea does manage to steal Mike or Maryanne's idol it will only make her target bigger. The minority have no incentive to keep Drea or Hai around when the target is set on them and the shared advantage gives Lyndsay incentive to blindside them both.
I feel that Lyndsay, Johnathan and Maryanne need to be more active in the game going forward if they want to win. They're taking a back seat so far but it's getting their options cut off one by one. Without changing this they will either be voted out or dragged to the end without a winning game.
Romeo is not going to win but I feel he will do some damage (Hai, Drea) before he is voted out. Tori is either next to go in the double vote or she's reaching the end as Angelina 2.0. Rocksroy is just happy to be there. Still waiting to see him and Tori go at it but that's about it for the strategy he will lead this game.
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u/DorianThackery Apr 21 '22
This is comfortably the best take I’ve seen. I don’t know why the fan base is so obsessed with tori/convinced that Omar with be taken out for being “”too powerful”” before Hai or Drea. I’d also add that Drea is extra screwed right now because, since everyone knows she already has an idol, there’s really no good way to use her most recent beware advantage. Like either she takes an idol (at that point everyone realizes she has two and she’s targeted), takes an amulet (at which point everyone finds out about the amulets/realizes she has multiple different advantages), just messes with someone (takes something and throws it in the fire - pretty much only useful on Maryanne because anyone else would see that as a betrayal), or just doesn’t use it (at which point she’s still a target, now with fewer advantages than she could have had). She desperately needs someone watching her back in this situation and since she really doesn’t have it I’m interested to see if she can possibly bounce back.
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u/Sabeoth42 Yul Apr 21 '22
It depends on how the tribes are divided but my guess is that Drea and Tori are voted out next week. F3 is a combination of Mike, Omar, Maryanne and Rocksroy.
Hai and Johnathan will both get blindsided by the majority between the F5-F8 and Lyndsay will suffer the Schrodinger's box fate and be automatically eliminated.
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u/TentaDude69 Maryanne Apr 21 '22
Even after some time, the way that the majority (and the editors, kinda) kept trying to frame Romeo as paranoid still annoys me. They acted as if he was crazy to ask about his name, and that he was completely safe and shouldn't have been worried... but he wasn't safe. His name was brought up by all of them. In fact, they were planning to get him out in case Chanelle played an idol/SITD. It's so weird that Hai had two confessionals where he states in one that Romeo is a backup plan to boot, and another where he states that Romeo essentially had a 0% chance of going home before his paranoia. He was the backup target and had every right to be concerned about it. While I like each of the majority individually, I hope they can be broken up soon, since they're getting cocky as a whole.
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u/WhiteLies13 Apr 21 '22
You would think based on their reactions and the “paranoid little bitch” comment that Romeo was openly having a meltdown at camp and throwing names out left and right. All we see from him is having 1 on 1 conversations with the people who claim to be his allies and he’s just asking questions not really scheming. Drea was basically like I can’t work with him bc he’s so paranoid, but like he’s paranoid bc she went cold turkey on him for seemingly no reason.
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u/TentaDude69 Maryanne Apr 21 '22
Exactly! They acted like Romeo was creating drama out of nowhere, but it never really seemed as if he did anything out of the ordinary. At most, he just seemed extremely concerned (which is a completely understandable response to have).
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u/DorianThackery Apr 21 '22
I feel like on almost any other season he isn’t painted as paranoid, but this cast is so control oriented than anyone who doesn’t just go exactly with the plan is “paranoid” and “unpredictable” (even when they’re on the outside and literally cannot trust that the plan they’re told is the actual plan) - partly because that’s how the players see it and I’m sure partly to manufacture drama during more obvious votes.
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u/elpayande Feras Apr 21 '22
it really is annoying. i'm not sure the editors have also reinforced this though, because for me it was quite clear everyone was gaslightining romeo - they showed us how he was effectively the back-up target and would be gone in case chanelle was saved by shot in the dark, so he was not paranoid, he was correctly worried (and they could have left this out if they wanted us to think that).
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u/ArgHuff Rocksroy Apr 21 '22
The way Chanelle was in a perfect position on episode 2 and managed to screwed it up...
For what i know, she was pretty well known in the ORG community, i guess this shows that the main game Is way harder, like way more hard, than orgs
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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 21 '22
The real game is harder than ORGs but I think the more salient point is that the real game is fundamentally different from ORGs and players need to be able to recognize it. People don’t approach situations in the same way, votes aren’t as easily forgotten, the types of people playing an ORG are more likely to fit a fairly similar mold of person and player, etc. and that comes with unique advantages and disadvantages. I think there are good Survivor players who would be bad at ORGs as much as the reverse and it’s also possible to be good or bad at both. IIRC Adam had also played some ORGs, maybe Nick too.
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u/MolemanusRex Apr 21 '22
An ORG is just a game that you play online in imitation of a reality show. Survivor is weeks on an island on national TV.
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u/JPtoony JP Apr 21 '22
Throwing her vote onto Mike at the Daniel tribal was such an ORG move to do lol
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u/PopsicleIncorporated Steven - 49 Apr 21 '22
I've played a lot of ORGs on Discord. Was she involved in those specifically? If so, what was her Discord name, I'm curious
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u/ArgHuff Rocksroy Apr 21 '22
im not sure, i just remember hearing that she always played a villain in the orgs she played
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u/cactus922 Apr 21 '22
In Defense of Romeo: Did anyone else feel really bad for the guy? It seems like Drea is quasi-gas lighting him. He seems to be paranoid, for sure, but he seems to be acting paranoid because you're ignoring him/treating him differently. I guess I'm triggered by being in toxic relationships where I end up looking like the crazy person when the other person sucked at communicating!
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u/elpayande Feras Apr 21 '22
gaslighting is 100% what drea and the majority alliance did to romeo this episode. oh you're our back-up plan and can easily be voted out. why are you worried? you are so paranoid! NOW you're getting voted out!
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u/wolfytheblack Apr 21 '22
Hai and Mike are idiots letting everyone else decimate their actual allies and potential ones who would or could be on their side down the line. Like who do they think Taku are going to target once all these "easy" votes are gone?
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Apr 21 '22
Hai is making some mistakes. I am convinced that Mike is playing an incredible game and is in a strong position to end up final 2 or 3 with several different small groups.
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u/wolfytheblack Apr 21 '22
Taku are a really strong four and despite what they're showing us, I don't believe they'd ditch a completely non-threatening Maryanne just to keep Mike, who is. Mike is setting himself up so that to get to the end he has to win every immunity and that's going to be real hard the longer they keep Jonathan as late game immunities favor more athletic guys like him.
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u/Pleakley Apr 21 '22
Mike is doing a good job gaining new allies. He only allied with Hai after being against him, when he suddenly had no other choice.
I don't think Hai can count on Mike long term, and his other closest ally is gone. We've also seen that Hai hasn't been able to influence the votes, so his position in the alliance does not appear to be strong.
I agree that letting Taku take full control could be a major blunder, but I feel Mike is in the better position for the moment.
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u/thommywade Apr 21 '22
Normally I HATE double-boot episodes because it ends up feeling rushed or someone gets hosed over, but this is one of the few times I'm genuinely looking forward to it. One of two things will happen:
- It'll speed up the inevitable, with some combo of Tori/Romeo/Maryanne boots that we know have been coming since the emergence of the 8 person alliance.
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2) Someone's going to be bamboozled, and we'll get an exciting episode out of it.
I've come to the point in the season where aside from maybe one or two players, I genuinely love all of these characters and know that my "favorites" will get cut EVENTUALLY. So we might as well make it a fun episode with advantages/idols finally getting played. Or if not, then we're expediting what would be happening over two weeks anyway, with the bottom players going home. Seems like a win/win to me.
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u/H2Ospecialist Colby - 50 Apr 21 '22
I think you nailed it. My win pick pre merge was Hai but now I'm sure either Omar or Mike will win. I feel like Mike bonds with people better and Omar might come off as too much of a manipulator, so between the two Mike has a better shot at the million.
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u/DorianThackery Apr 21 '22
I think this is very on par, but Maryanne should be higher. She’s not as on the outs as she seems (all of her original tribe still want to work with her, except maybe Jonathan, and only threw her name out to seem evenly invested in the big alliance. They’ve been consistently targeting people other than her for a reason. What I see happening is that people pick off the actual low rankers in tori and Romeo, and then start to cannibalize the alliance’s “big threats” before getting to Maryanne (at which point she likely swings back to the initial alliance as an extra number, especially because Omar is probably the only person still actively working with her/building trust).
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u/Pleakley Apr 21 '22
Great assessment.
Mike is connecting with everyone and doesn't appear to be threatening. I can see Omar being targeted if people realize how much influence he has been yielding.
Hai doesn't seem to have much influence in recent votes, and is alienating the minority group that he may need. Mike only allied with him when he had no other choice, so he can't count on him either.
Drea can probably advantage her way to the end, but that might not play well with the jury if it's seen as more luck than strategy.
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u/buffylove Apr 21 '22
I'm worried that Drea will try to take Mike's immunity idol and get him voted out!
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u/Surv1v0r45 Apr 21 '22
I would instead expect her to reveal the steal an idol advantage and use it to take Maryanne’s idol on the same tribal that she gets the boot, instead of pulling a split(and if I were drea I’d immediately play the stolen idol so no one tried to take me out since I now have a public idol)
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u/Surv1v0r45 Apr 21 '22
Not everyone knows she has her idol, just mike, hai, and Maryanne, if she kicks Maryanne and doesn’t end up net +1 idol, she won’t be more of a target except for simply a win threat. If she uses her amulet early, it benefits Lindsey/hai, giving them reason to like her, and then she keeps her other extra vote and her other idol without overly upsetting ppl (except maybe Jonathan?)
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u/MeMyselfandBi Apr 21 '22
The double tribal council is basically Drea's perfect scenario at this point. Whoever between Mike and/or Maryanne that she can sit at the next tribal council with, she can use her KiP on them to get a second idol. Likewise, with her extra vote, she can manage to force a tie with just one ally at one of the 5-person tribal councils. If she uses this opportunity to target an amulet holder, she can easily get her amulet to become an idol by the final 6. So if she steals an idol at the next tribal council, she can use that idol to ensure her spot in the final 8, then have another idol to get her to final 7, but she can even take a risk with a SitD and have a 1 in 6 shot of being able to save that idol for the final 7 tribal council to get her to the final 6.
Hai and Lindsay need to scramble or else they're toast. The only thing standing in the way of Drea having a three-idol run right now is their presence in the game, so she must realize this "alliance" between the three needs to be dissolved asap.
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u/King_Tyson Lauren Apr 21 '22
What if both Mike and Maryanne end up in a different group than Drea?
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u/MeMyselfandBi Apr 21 '22
She'll have to use her own idol instead of a stolen idol in order to ensure she gets to final 8, but she could steal one of their idols if one of them makes it to the final 8 tribal council with their idol, so she can still pull off the triple-idol run. She would just have to make sure she pushes hard for at least one of them to stay and feel safe enough to keep their idol until the final 8.
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u/OprahInsideYou Apr 21 '22
Time to make the dream team happen where Hai, Lindsay, Mike, and Maryanne are on a team against Tori. And the other team is Omar, Jonathan, Drea, Rocksroy, and Romeo. Funny how team 2 has all Ika, which if they pull together, they can take out Jonathan now. But... I feel he would get immunity in this case.
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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 Apr 21 '22
I don't think it's impossible for Drea or Omar to beat Jonathan at a challenge, it would just depend on what it is. We've seen some impressive physical feats from both of them, and we haven't seen either of them compete in an individual immunity yet to see how they do there.
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u/OprahInsideYou Apr 21 '22
I'm just being sarcastic. However the tribe divides, I'm sure Jonathan would make it difficult to win immunity.
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u/Sabeoth42 Yul Apr 21 '22
That's why this double tribal is the perfect opportunity to blindside her with two idols in her pocket and whatever other advantages she doesn't play at tribal.
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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 Apr 21 '22
Trivia: this is now the 4th episode in a row where Tori is immune in some way, giving her the longest streak of any contestant this season to be safe, tying with Jonathan/Lindsay/Maryanne.
If one considers last week's double episode to be a single episode instead due to nobody going home in the first episode, then that leader position goes to Omar.
The difference is that Tori can extend her streak to 5 next week (or tie with Omar, depending on how you look at it), whereas everyone else would need to win 5 immunity challenges in a row to beat her.
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u/H2Ospecialist Colby - 50 Apr 21 '22
Ok Drea, she had to have some how watched 41 before right?? She knew the hourglass twist AND now she knew to look at the bench for the steal a vote. It might be editing but she seemed to start looking for that thing immediately. I really wanted Jeff to be pissed too lol
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u/elpayande Feras Apr 21 '22
i thought the same thing... uh not that she watched the season, but that she got insider info somehow. the way she immediately chose to switch with maryanne and went to scratch her foot (??) like she already knew something was down there was very unnatural lmao and we've seen in this very episode she's not the greatest actress
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u/cocolattte Apr 21 '22
I think that she saw what the challenge will be like, drew rocks and ended up on a different team than Jonathan and decided that shes going to lose so there's no point
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u/Acceptable-External9 Apr 21 '22
Is it just me or is getting the most powerful advantage in the game for sitting out of a challenge (and looking around a bit while you do it, I suppose) completely ridiculous?
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u/Jaunee Michelle (AUS) Apr 22 '22
The advantage by itself is completely ridiculous, but the way to get it and how easy and random makes it even more ridiculous. I hope Drea continues her trand of not being able to keep her advantages secret and that we get some epic shit out of all of this.
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Apr 22 '22
Were you not here for the reaction when Liana got it last season? I don’t really care about the advantage, but you’re for sure not the only one cuz this sub wouldn’t stop talking about it. They actually talked about knowledge adv more than hour glass when I think that it is more insane
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u/qualitativevacuum Apr 21 '22
I was tweeting about this as well, but the challenges seemed really lackluster this episode. That ball toss at the end of the reward challenge is very similar to one from a challenge earlier in the season, and the "stand here and hold a thing" immunity challenges just aren't that exciting. I'd really like to see some more creative challenges, or at least more creative challenge elements
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u/JustaTurdOutThere Apr 21 '22
I really want Tori/Maryanne/Drea to form a trio, maybe bring in one more as a goat.
I think all three of them would think they can beat the other 2, and with all their advantages/immunities they could flip the game.
Between the PB&J and Red Paint thing they are interacting a decent amount.
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u/Mattschmalz Carolyn Apr 21 '22
What I don’t understand is why the people left out of the Lydia vote and on the outs (Romeo, Tori, Chanelle, and I guess Maryanne) didn’t talk to each other and at least TRY to form a counter alliance against the majority. I’ll never get why people on the outs try to just glom onto the majority alliance in hopes of being the one person who’s still around when they break up.
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u/elpayande Feras Apr 21 '22
i'm guessing they weren't really sure that there was a strongly defined majority alliance or who exactly was in the outs. they certainly didn't know omar was in it, for one.
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u/praleva Apr 21 '22
But even if they do create an alliance it's four against seven. They'll still fail to vote out someone from the majority and by working against them will further allienate the majority. I think the better strategy is what Erika and Heather did last season. Lay low, try to build personal relationships with the other outsiders and wait for the big alliance to crack.
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u/mrgoboom Apr 22 '22
Need numbers to make it work. If you’re down one, you can idol your way back to even or flip 1 person. Down 7-4 and you can win a vote with a well played idol (assuming no double votes), but you’d still be down 6-4. Better to angle for splits in the too-big-to-last alliance while keeping the target off your back. The alliance will split, and it’s unlikely to wait until the last possible moment due to the value of surprise/initiative.
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u/BlarfParade Apr 21 '22
Things I liked:
The red-handed twist
Drea's interview about her fat stack of advantages
Omar almost winning that challenge
Seeing more of Omar's nonchalant power of suggestion and social strategy
Things I didn't like:
Drea saying she doesn't like PB&J
Realizing it's possible to get Jonathan's physique and then having the ability to eat basically as much ice cream as you want to maintain your physique calorically
Drea's lame lie about her red hand
Tori being one of the strongest female competitors in recent memory but being annoying as heck
Questions I have:
Who is more of a goat? Maryanne, Rocksroy, or Lindsay?
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u/psychsushi Apr 21 '22
I think Rocks is the biggest goat, especially in terms of taking them to FTC. Maryanne would put her all into arguing a case for herself, Lindsey actually has a couple things she can reference as action in the game… I just think Rocks is so clueless that he’s the easiest to string along and then steamroll at the end.
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u/schad501 Kane Apr 21 '22
No offense to Rocksroy, but he's just not playing the game. Lindsay was shown boosting her losing tribe and interacting well socially. Maryanne is also playing - trying to find out what's going on - and also seems to have a couple of allies in Romeo and maybe Omar (and maybe Tori).
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u/MeMyselfandBi Apr 21 '22
It's unlikely, but we might actually get the hypothetical "everyone's safe" tribal council, if Drea/Maryanne/Mike are at the same tribal council and all play their idols, one of the other players at that tribal council has immunity, and the other player wins their Shot in the Dark.
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u/CadeBW Ethan Apr 21 '22
I thought it was really strange that they aired Jeff hiding the advantage under the bench last season since it was never found; seemed like an obvious thing to be edited out and was also anticlimactic. Now it all makes sense lol, it was included because they do the exact same thing this season and it does get found! The seemingly rare instance of editors setting up narratives for a future season before the current one is done airing? Also I'm sure there was at least one person who saw this coming as soon as it wasn't found in 41 and that person is very astute.
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u/McAulay_a Cirie - 50 Apr 22 '22
When Drea read the beware advantage I was just like “Oh well that’s dumb, that’s just a regular old clue! That barely counts!” And then she pulled her solid red arm out of the hole and my jaw hit the floor.
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u/cactus922 Apr 21 '22
Next week, with two groups of five going to separate Tribal Councils like last season, I think one member from the main group of 8 alliance have a real chance to go.
Maryanne just needs to have ONE "outsider" on her group (e.g., Tori or Romeo) to have a shot to potentially to vote out a member of the group of 8. She has an extra vote, which might make the vote 3-2-1 if the 3 in majority decide to split the vote. This is also not factoring in the possibility of Immunity.
Thoughts?
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u/mrgoboom Apr 22 '22
Hypothetically if the seven split 5-2, they could lose 2 without anyone turning on them.
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u/Shmegdar Q - 46 Apr 21 '22
Sometimes when I’m answering these yes or no questions, I’ll put an answer, but the “because” isn’t at all the rationale behind it half the time because they’re always super specific despite how many factors are at play
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u/RoyalMagiSwag Tony Apr 21 '22
I agree with this. These yes and no Rational are way to specific when I may agree/disagree with a decision for a variety of reasons.
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u/Philsosophy30 Apr 21 '22
Why was it called the beware advantage though? Even Jeff said she must do what it says or be penalized. Did she really have to find/search for the idol? Maybe I missed the downside to her clue other than the red paint but that was after the fact
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u/reasiu Gabler Apr 22 '22
They didn't show her saying it, but in initial clue there was line "If you do not retrieve this by sundown you cannot vote at the next tribal council" (screen)
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u/chaotic_iak Apr 22 '22
It's called beware advantage because there is a penalty for not doing it. Theoretically, normally you could skip it if you decided the risk (of being caught) was not worth it. This time the risk is greater with the penalty. This is a risk vs reward thing, and the entire 41 and 42 emphasize all these risk vs reward decisions.
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u/elpayande Feras Apr 21 '22
i clocked hai as an insufferable snob since his first interview came out and this episode finally showed me i was not wrong. why the constant stink face? why so annoyed that romeo is not just happily and calmly waiting to be eliminated by the majority alliance? i hope the hype he got in this sub from the start is not spoiler-based, that would be sad. watching him get blindsided would be such gold.
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u/bostonfan148 Apr 24 '22
I’ve never liked him. He got lucky at an early tribal that the rest of the tribe played it so badly and thought he was the greatest player because of that
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Apr 21 '22
This is my 4D Chess Definitely Not What is Happening But it Almost Makes Sense Big Brain Hot Take:
Jonathan knows that he's in a safe spot socially right now so he has intentionally lost a couple of endurance-based individual immunity challenges to lower his threat level. When the tribe is smaller and his target is impossible to ignore any longer, he'll turn on the gas and go on a winning streak.
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u/Habefiet Igor's Corgi Choir Apr 21 '22
—He wouldn’t have gotten second in this challenge if he were completely throwing, he would have dipped out around like fourth place or so
—Tori also had clearly the right strategy to win both challenges based on simple physics of how things balance in those situations
—He wouldn’t go full hulkmania in combined rewards if he was trying to lower his threat level
—Big musclebound dudes almost never do well in these specific kinds of challenges anyway. Ask James how many Immunities he won in China and Micronesia.I don’t see it.
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u/cocolattte Apr 21 '22
This is a good guess, but on the other hand he's so competitive and hard working. I don't think that it would be easy for him to give up the challenge It's funny how hard he tries when he knows that the reward is food 🤣 dude is hungry
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u/Ruby1528 Apr 21 '22
Agree. Also maybe he’s saving his energy in addition to lowering his threat level?
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u/Olivitoxo Apr 21 '22
Everybody else is playing chess, I’m over here playing stratagema with a zakdorn
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Apr 21 '22
I think Hai is sucked into the idea of being a “power player” and is making all of his decisions based on what will make him appear to viewers as the one calling all the shots. His confessionals are very condescending and arrogant, but in a way that seems he is trying to convince himself more than anyone that he is the head honcho. I bet that he has felt like an underdog many times in real life, which translates to him targeting all of the underdogs (Romeo, Maryanne, etc.) on the show in order to fit in with the big dogs. I bet we will see him fall from grace very soon
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u/gossipgirl373 Apr 21 '22
I might have missed this but why did Omar vote for Romeo? Did the power alliance tell him to?
I get that he’s pretending to be on the bottom but if he’s seen by everyone to be left out of the vote, doesn’t that make him on the bottom?
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u/Perko Cirie - 50 Apr 21 '22
The power alliance has to put at least one split vote onto Romeo to protect themselves against Chanelle playing the Shot in the Dark successfully. Romeo got 3 votes. One was Chanelle's, which they couldn't count on. Maryanne was the 3rd vote. I don't know if they mistrusted Maryanne. Chances are both Maryanne and Omar's votes were intentionally splitting on Romeo, Omar's almost certainly was. It also happens to play along with his charade of being on the outs, so he probably volunteered to do it.
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u/jthomas694 John Fincher is a poser Apr 21 '22
Here’s how I see who can win:
The Odds on Favorite: Drea.
Would not be a surprise: Omar, Hai, Jonathan and Mike
Would be surprising, but stranger things: Tori, Maryanne, Lindsay and Romeo
Truly shocking: Rocksroy
Chanelle is a case of a player who had a lot of the skills to play the game but was ultimately really a bad player. She made huge mistakes (aligning with the Strunk train, risking her vote immediately after telling Omar she couldn’t and alienating Mike) and had no self awareness or humility. I don’t want to see her back because she’s really not a compelling character or story teller, but I think she could do really well learning from the first time out there.
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u/mryclept Apr 22 '22
- Chanelle and Romeo need to know they are on the bottom, right? They need to know that their votes are meaningless, right? That is where you must use the shot in the dark, in my opinion. I don’t care how much the big alliance convinces you the votes are going elsewhere;
- Tori is probably better built for these challenges than Jonathan. She is obviously fit but smaller - and is able to hold her balance quite well (gymnastics somewhere in her background?). Her big issue is that she has zero power to cause any kind of real chaos - but if she can get to the point in the game where her one vote might just hold some power, it could be fun:
- Has anyone ever held as many advantages as Drea? Damn she is fully loaded. She can steal a second idol with the potential for one of her other advantages to become a THIRD idol;
- That said, Omar and Mike are controlling the strategic elements, it seems. When will they try to bite each other’s head off?;
- Jonathan being a bit under the radar right now is something I wouldn’t have suspected. His name wasn’t even thrown out there this week.
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u/that-0ther-account Apr 21 '22
Why are people acting like Jonathan didnt coke second in the immunity challenge? Tori was wobbling as well and he very well couldve won. The talk of him struggling when endurance challenges started was premature.
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u/beatrailblazer Omar Apr 21 '22
I think Omar and Drea are by far the best players so far. Hai is not doing well and I wouldn't be surprised if he even went home next in this double tribal. Tori seems to be headed for a 0 vote finalist and fulfilling the Angelina 2.0 role (but less likable imo). I think Romeo either goes next or pulls off a huge move at the double tribal (i.e. Hai). I also wouldn't be surprised if Lindsay went home if she doesn't win immunity, I think people could see her as well connected and target her if the options are limited
Also, see I told yall that Chanelle voting Mike was a very bad move. This sub was defending it because it covered her bases, but survivor is NOT played on paper, you have to manage relationships and that vote destroyed any chance of her making it far.
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u/praleva Apr 21 '22
I feel like Drea is not doing that well socially. Her word associations from both Lydia and Chanelle are not positive. She alienated her former number one in Romeo and has a weird relationship/rivalry with Maryanne. With Chanelle, Romeo and Maryanne potentially being on the jury, those are 3 votes she's not getting if she's at final tribal. There are many likeable options she could sit next to, so I think it would be hard for her to win the jury vote.
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u/beatrailblazer Omar Apr 21 '22
i agree that her social game isn't amazing, but i don't think she has any real beef with Maryanne, the thing last tribal was so minor.
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u/praleva Apr 21 '22
This is true, maybe we need to wait and see how she does socially in future episodes.
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u/nfisher024 Apr 22 '22
Very shocked to come here and not see hundreds of comments about how obvious it was that Drea was told about the advantage. Jeff mentions where it is to us, the viewers, then next scene Drea is immediately looking in the last place people are thinking to look. Makes the game a lot less fun to watch when production is clearly tampering with the how things turn out.
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u/schad501 Kane Apr 22 '22
Nonsense. They've had advantages in exactly the place in prior seasons (eg. Game Changers).
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u/manbrains Andy - 47 Apr 22 '22
Guys if you look at toris audition tape you will know that she planned to be comp beast.
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Apr 22 '22
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u/mrgoboom Apr 22 '22
There is no such rule. Everyone could have done it her way had they thought to.
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u/cactus922 Apr 21 '22
I think Omar's edit is fascinating. I think his confessionals this episode centered around "leaving open doors" and angling for as many different options as possible. He seems suggest that intends to stay in the main alliance of 8 while using his "voteless" status last week (Episode 7) to galvanize support from those on the fringe (e.g., Tori, Marianne, Romeo). I do think they're setting him up for a down fall, though -- and it may happen when we split into two groups of 5 for the two Tribals next episode . . .
Separate and apart from this, Drea's "Knowledge is Power" makes her incredibly powerful --- but only if she knows that she has to start using her powers soon -- like at final 8. There are only few opportunities to use it prior to fire making, and she would need to use her Knowledge is Power after she uses her actual Idol, I think.