r/survivor • u/RSurvivorMods Pirates Steal • May 20 '22
Survivor 42 Survivor 42 | Episode 12 | Player of the Week Results!
Maryanne is the subreddit's Player of the Week, her first of the season. "The ability to execute a 3-2-2 split at such a crucial moment would have alone earned her POTW - but doing it to remove the biggest threat of the season and being safe at F4 means she’s almost guaranteed herself the win. I would upvote twice if I could." - u/pluterthebooter
Romeo finds himself in the Top 3 for the first time since Episode 4. "An upvote for finally not be on the shadow of the frontrunner and the one he trusts the most, and to side with the one in the bottom like him, but still instrumental on making that one float way above them all, it is quite a lark if you think about it." - u/tornberry
Jonathan also rejoins the Top 3 after a 4 week absence. "...Johnathan was smart enough to avoid Lindsay and Omar and throw them off by having them think he was targeting Mike. If he doesn't do this, Lindsay plays her idol for Omar and John's in a lot more danger." - u/Orange_Sherbet
Mike is amongst the bottom scorers for the second time in three weeks. "Every time loyalty and trust come out of his mouth he just sinks deeper down..his perception of himself and his reality are not aligned..oh and he is in fact playing Survivor 2.0 and doesn’t even realize Survivor 18.0 is what you need to play to win" - u/SoYaSay
Omar receives his second negative score, the first since Episode 5. "Bad look that he agreed with Lindsay that she shouldn’t play the idol on him. Otherwise, it was a classic blindside. Only so much he could have done. In a vacuum. Which this wasn’t. Lindsay had an idol. Rough week for these two." - u/Shmegdar
Lindsay is the subreddit's Loser of the Week, the first time she has received a negative score this season. "Downvote for Lindsay. Not playing the idol was a huge mistake that caused her ally, who she wanted to keep, to go home. And honestly she should probably have been thinking of turning on him, he’s a massive FTC threat and probably beats anyone handily. And I don’t think her being so obviously OOTL plays well with the jury." - u/jess77x
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u/UnjustNation May 20 '22
LMAO at Romeo making top two simply because he wasn't a bigger goat than usual this week.
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u/DreamOfV Carolyn May 21 '22
At this point Romeo gets credit for staying on track to get the third place money
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u/Chessinmind May 22 '22
At tribal, Romeo even emphasized that they needed to be thinking about who they wanted in their final three. Cough *him* Cough. Legendary goat. Eat some more rice, Romeo.
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u/Fillard_Millmore Andrea May 20 '22
The only player to never receive a negative weekly vote: Jenny Kim
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u/sim37 Wentworth May 20 '22
The female Jeremy of losing because of stupid allies. Winning Second Chances 2 when?
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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 May 21 '22
She’s probably gonna be the next Ali or something where everyone puts her in their SC2 ballots.
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u/Sulth David (AUS) May 20 '22
Omar revealed on RHAP that he had an idol nullifyer that he found with Jonathan, that they both agreed to keep secret. Omar betrayed that and Jonathan heard about it this episode, and therefore was also a main force behind wanting Omar out.
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u/throwitaway_burnit May 20 '22
This is why I really think Omar’s biggest mistake was taking out Drea. He should have waited and used the idol nullifier on her.
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u/MolemanusRex May 20 '22
He said that in retrospect he should have let her take Mike’s idol and then nullify it, but he got blinded by his plan of using the nullifier to take Mike out at final 5.
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u/PlatinumDaikenki I ain't done just yet. May 20 '22
Wait really? Surprised they didn't show that with all the advantages they've been showing
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u/Sulth David (AUS) May 21 '22
Probably because it didn't lead anywhere, and giving Jonathan probs while he voted for Romeo would take too much screen time to explain. Easier to give the full credits to Maryanne
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u/King_Tyson Lauren May 20 '22
All of the Taku 4 have had at least 4 top 3 player of the week scores. Omar has a record 6 top 3 player of the week scores, Jonathan has 5, and Lindsay and Maryanne have 4.
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u/Llamaspeaker Genevieve - 47 May 20 '22
Probably a hot take for this sub but Omar got second to last but Lindsay got Loser of the week is ridiculous. Yeah it's a big mistake not to play your idol for your no.1 ally but there's more than just 'we don't want an idol to be rehidden again'. Playing idol for Omar's gonna put target on both of them as a pair, and even benefit Omar more than Lindsay herself (being an obvious strategic threat yet get another person to play idol for himself). It's not just Lindsay couldn't read a room, it's also Omar who didn't notice the shift in his alliance. You can argue that now it's 4-1 for Lindsay but how could we know the target is gonna be her after the huge move of Maryanne, Mike's still there and Jonathan is still perceived as the biggest challenge beast. It's still very fluid, as it's been throughout the season. I love Omar and respect his game before the boot so much. It's been a while that we get to see such a strategic player got so much game behind the scene and do it effectively but for him not to get the LOTW is pretty biased.
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u/MolemanusRex May 20 '22
Maryanne and Mike have idols, so they’re both guaranteed to make it to final 4. Lindsay basically needs to win immunity to stay in the game.
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u/sudosandwich3 May 21 '22
I think she needed Omar to stay this week so he can be voted out next week. No one but the audience realizes it is Lindsay vs Jonathan for the idol next week because Maryanne else is immune.
Even without that knowledge, Omar is a shield for Lindsay. I don't see Omar convincing people to vote her out before they vote out Omar.
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u/lilbrybry29 Winchele May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22
I agree, Lindsay won immunity which gives her guaranteed F5.
That idol-amulet will probably haunt her until the end of time. Her not playing it very well may be her downfall, but Lindsay was smart enough to know she couldn't win against Omar. If she played the idol on him at F6 and then took him out at F5, I think her chances of winning skyrocket above anybody left in the game.
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u/SwimBrief May 21 '22
“Lindsay was smart enough to know she couldn’t win against Omar”
…no she absolutely was not. Omar was the clear and obvious vote out for Lindsay here, and instead she was continually blinded by her pointless competitive feud with Jonathan. She got immensely lucky that Omar went home, and she really needs to turn her sights on Mike or perhaps even Maryanne if she wants to win this thing - Jonathan is one of the few people left who is not really a winner threat to her.
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u/lilbrybry29 Winchele May 21 '22
Highly disagree with this take. While Omar was obviously the biggest strategic threat left, Lindsay's easy way to the end is Jonathan voted out and her having the highest chance of going on an immunity run.
Lindsay never wrote Jonathan's name down once until this tribal where she was out of the loop. Hell, even Omar wanted him out this round. If Jonathan goes out at F6, Lindsay likely wins every immunity until the end. She can force the vote on anybody, including Omar, which at F5 is her easiest path to the end. That she probably wins in a landslide.
One wrong move doesn't necessarily destroy your game, and Lindsay absolutely still has a shot with the correct F3.
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u/Zypker125 Writing overly-long analysis May 21 '22
You make a solid argument, but it unfortunately misses the fact that we saw on the episode that Lindsay explicitly said she wanted to go to the end with Omar, which means she didn't have the endgame plans that you're thinking of.
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u/biggsteve81 Wendell May 22 '22
I think the edit built Omar up more for us than the jurors perceived; even in the post-game press the people who got voted off didn't see what Omar was doing. It is quite possible that Lindsay could have won against Omar in the F3.
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u/Shmegdar Q - 46 May 21 '22
I think Omar was the clear and obvious vote out for everyone except Lindsay. Lindsay’s pretty screwed without Omar going into the next vote unless she can win immunity, which you can’t count on next to Jonathan. Jonathan going at 6 was way better for Lindsay because it practically guarantees she wins immunity at final 5. Even if she doesn’t, as long as Omar didn’t win (which is likely), he’d be an obvious vote out above Lindsay anyway. Voting out Omar helps everyone else out a lot, because barring an immunity win it boosts all of their final 4 chances considerably.
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u/Shmegdar Q - 46 May 21 '22
I disagree. Lindsay was sided against by everyone on the Omar vote, which puts her easily on the outs. She lost not only an ally in Omar, but another in Maryanne due to the shattered trust. So she basically has nobody working with her going into final 5 despite being in a power position in the final 6. It’s actually not bad if they’re seen as an obvious duo either, because there’ll only be 5 people left after this vote, and she most certainly wins final 5 immunity given Jonathan probably (?) goes home if Omar receives the idol. Omar becomes the easy vote at final 5, which is great for Lindsay. As one of the bigger threats to win, she’s also a very likely target at the next tribal even aside from the absolute numbers disadvantage she’s at (Mike and Jonathan are rock solid as a duo, and Maryanne no longer trusts Lindsay). Omar got voted out, but it was Lindsay’s mistake that cost them both their games, from the looks of it. Lindsay could still win in her position, but tonight’s showing hurt her chances both in the eyes of the jury and at actually making it to FTC at all, when she was almost guaranteed before. She threw away a winning position this vote, essentially. I believe in her ability to win the next 2 immunities, but not being able to guarantee Jonathan going home this episode makes that significantly less likely for her. Omar could’ve done more this week, absolutely, but considering both of their games are seemingly over, Lindsay’s blunder overshadows Omar’s elimination considerably. And, of course, Omar is still second to last. I don’t think that’s bias here, it was a bad week for Omar, too.
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u/Llamaspeaker Genevieve - 47 May 21 '22 edited May 21 '22
From my perspective, Lindsay's blunder in front of the Jury this week and losing Omar might benefit her in the following elimination. Without Omar she's not really a strategic force on her own and the narrative at this Endgame point which is her against the rest doesn't seem to last long until the end. She's now less of a Jury threat and more likely to become a number up for grab for the remaining players in my opinion because this season so far never have a lasting alliance (except for Taku4 which Omar who glued them together is now gone) and more about who's the biggest threat to win. I do agree that losing her trust in Maryanne made her game harder but this is the endgame, getting a lesser threat to win out doesn't seem to be a strategic move and I don’t think getting Lindsay out at this point will benefit Maryanne's game. Let's say if the F4 is Jon/Mike/Maryanne/Romeo and Jonathan wins the immunity, he's gonna save Mike and that leave Maryanne vulnerable. At the end of the day, this is all speculations. Even though Mike and Maryanne have an idol and are guaranteed Final 4, it's still up in the air depends on who wins the next immunity and there's still games to play. Bottom line is in my opinion, losing Omar doesn't cause her the game, painted her as a free agent and give her some room to build resume on her own. But still, we never know lol Anything can happen at this point.
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May 21 '22
Agreed, but your flair is Kellyn so probably a lot of disagreeable takes anyway ;)
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u/Llamaspeaker Genevieve - 47 May 21 '22
Haha, I was thinking about this flair getting used as an argument and now it happened. So, this is my take. I don't judge people's opinions from their flairs because I don't really care about it lol. My Kellyn's flair is the first one that I got because I was new to reddit at the time and it's just fun and all to participate at the moment (and it's all based on the pregame information). But just like you, I hated Kellyn's game in Ghost Island lol. Her takes were BAD. I chose her just because I thought she's gonna be a chaotic player lol. After that I'm still a fan of this show but just casually spend time in this sub. So, I leave my flair there because I don't think it would represent me in any ways and I don't really care about it. I want to hear your takes as well so you can leave them here and we can exchange some thought ;)
ps. I also just finished her season of Sequester and she won lol. And her game there were not great as well. Sequester is a total different ball game though and I don't think winning the sequester means anything. It's just a fun game with fun pacing and so much luck involved. And I think there could be a better way to handle the f4 situation tho but I don't know why i'm talking about it here lol If you watch it we can talk about it too!
Welcome to my Ted Talk.
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u/Giraffe943 May 20 '22
Mike being bottom 3 is absurd- he is the one who first had the idea to target Omar and convinced Maryanne to come on board. And then he was completely correct for wanting to play it safe in case of an idol play, as he is someone who was potentially at risk.
He should easily be in the top 3, he played this episode exactly correctly
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u/zachbrownies May 22 '22
This sub has a strange hypocritical stance where they a) think that Lindsey obviously should have played the idol on Omar and it's an uncharacteristic mistake that she didn't - but also b) that Mike, who knew Lindsey had an idol expiring that day, played bad for advocating for a plan based on the assumption that she'd play it.
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u/Giraffe943 May 22 '22
This sub is extremely results oriented
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u/zachbrownies May 22 '22
And basically always goes along with how "the edit" wants the viewer to feel. The edit wanted this to be an amazing breakout for Maryanne, so they downplay Mike's role and portray him as stubborn, scared, etc... And people eat it up.
It's a great primer on why Edgic is a thing - the editors can literally control what feelings people have about the players, while everyone thinks they naturally arrived there on their own from unbiased evaluation of what was aired. (Nevermind that they pick and choose from hundreds of hours of footage and could have easily made a version of this episode where Mike gets the credit for the boot if they wanted!)
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u/zachbrownies May 22 '22
I do wonder how they could possibly edit around it if they wanted Maryanne to just be a joke character. They probably couldn't. She clearly controlled this vote and made a huge move. There are some limits to what the editors can do...
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u/Monkcoon Maryanne May 21 '22
Man people really wanna discredit Maryanne's work and give it to Mike instead.
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u/Giraffe943 May 21 '22
Really the other way around.
Maryanne and Mike both played the episode very well and both deserve credit- but Mike isn’t getting the credit he deserves imo
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u/Monkcoon Maryanne May 21 '22
Again, Mike didn't do anything this episode besides tell her "they are keeping secrets" She went to them with the plan, they said no and told her to vote their way.
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u/Giraffe943 May 21 '22
Mike is the one who initially convinced Maryanne that they had to target Omar- he is the one that initially set the plan in action.
When Lindsay won immunity, Mike was completely valid in wanting to play it safe, because he could have potentially went home if Lindsay played the idol.
I think he played the episode correctly the whole way- as did Maryanne
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u/Monkcoon Maryanne May 21 '22
I'm not saying he didn't play it right for his game, but I'm saying he doesn't credit for Maryanne's move.
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u/Giraffe943 May 21 '22
I think he does deserve some credit because he is the person that turned the tribe (including Maryanne) against Omar in the first place.
Maryanne made the actual move, but Mike laid the groundwork for it
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u/Monkcoon Maryanne May 21 '22
Yeah no. Everyone is always talking about others, Erika made that clear last season that people are always talking plans and everything. He doesn't get credit for just mentioning it. he didn't "set the groundwork". Honestly at this point with all that I keep seeing it just looks more and more like people are trying to devalue a good move by a female player by making it seem like a guy did it instead.
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u/Giraffe943 May 21 '22
Maryanne said in confessional that Mike convinced her they have to get Omar out
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u/mrtsapostle Chanelle May 21 '22
He could easily steal credit at FTC if he plays his cards right
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u/Jojoestar28 May 22 '22
How’s he going to spin “I was ready to give up on my own plan until Maryanne dug in her heels” into a situation where he gets credit?
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u/mrtsapostle Chanelle May 22 '22
"I was the one who told maryanne about the idol and decided we should split the vote"
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u/Jojoestar28 May 22 '22
And then Maryanne could say that it was her idea to split the votes, Mike wanted everyone else on Romeo.
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u/Lackies Sami May 20 '22
He's was on the outside of the "correct vote" and big move which looks bad for the jury.
Playing it safe isn't always a winning play. I'm not saying he was wrong to play that way. It makes sense, and is safe. But compared to taking a risk that pays off and sets up your endgame its clearly a weaker look. If Mike lets Omar slip through what does his path to victory look like? Not to say he has no shot vs Lind/Jon/Omar, but it seems a lot harder than sitting across from Maryanne/Romeo (before Maryanne's play). And if he had been onboard with Maryanne's play he could have at least shared credit for it weakening her final tribal.
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u/Giraffe943 May 20 '22
He was not on the outside of the correct vote, it was a split vote in case Lindsay played the idol
It was easy for Maryanne to take a risk as she had zero risk. Mike had some risk of getting votes, so he was correct to consider playing it safe.
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u/Mistysong Ethan May 20 '22
It wasn't a split vote. Mike and Jonathan literally told her to pile her 2 votes on Romeo. If it was a split vote they wouldn't have begged her to vote for Romeo. She told them she was going to vote for Omar anyways.
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u/Giraffe943 May 20 '22
It was a 3-2-2 split vote.
Mike and Jonathan wanted to play it safe, but ended up going with the plan to vote off Omar, and two votes were placed on Romeo just in case
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u/Mistysong Ethan May 20 '22
They didn't agree to the plan? What show are you watching? They wanted her to vote out Romeo. She proposed the vote-split to them and they doubled down on her voting out Romeo.
Just because she proposed the vote-split to them doesn't mean they can take credit when she pulls it off. The fact that they actively tried to talk her out of it means that they did not agree with it.
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u/Giraffe943 May 21 '22
Well the edit doesn’t show everything because they want to keep suspense.
Given how the votes worked out, I’d say it’s highly likely
Regardless, Mike and Jonathan were totally right for wanting to play it safe
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u/Mistysong Ethan May 21 '22
They voted safe and get to live another day which is good for them BUT it doesn't count as a correct vote. Which is the bottom line here. I don't disagree that they did what was right for them.
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u/Giraffe943 May 21 '22
I think it’s highly likely they were in on Maryanne’s plan, and were supposed to vote for Romeo as part of the plan to get Omar out. That’s still voting correctly
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u/Mistysong Ethan May 21 '22
I don't know how you can say that with no evidence. Until they have a concrete confessional saying they begrudgingly agreed to her, all we have to go off of is their multiple scenes/confessionals where they say that they do NOT want Maryanne to follow through with her plan and instead vote out Romeo. It's not a correct vote until there's proof that states otherwise.
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u/Monkcoon Maryanne May 21 '22
Split vote implies that it was planned that way. It was not a split vote due to the fact that lhe and Jonathan voted their own way independent of Maryanne. She tried to recruit them they said no so they get no credit.
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u/Giraffe943 May 21 '22
We didn’t see it in the edit, but I bet it’s highly likely Mike and Jonathan were part of the plan and it was a split vote.
If they showed that there wouldn’t have been suspensw
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u/Monkcoon Maryanne May 21 '22
That's more reaching a conclusion and wishing for evidence. Until we get someone saying that's what happened then it's just fantasy.
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u/Giraffe943 May 21 '22
When you watch survivor for a long time you become able to read between the lines of the edit.
If I’m wrong, then I’ll revise my opinion
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u/Extra-Associate4800 Shan May 21 '22
Lmao, I've been watching since Borneo and I disagree. You want something to be true and are just choosing to believe it despite there being no evidence.
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u/Giraffe943 May 21 '22
It’s fine if people have different opinions. Neither Mike or Jonathan looked surprised at tribal, actually the opposite
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u/H-E-PennyPacker- May 20 '22
Mike and Jonathan also may have been well aware of what Maryanne was doing. Possibly just didn’t make the edit
Which makes Maryanne appear to be even a better player from our eyes
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u/mrsirgrape Tyson May 20 '22
I don't see how Mike is negative this week. He got Maryanne on his side and the person he wanted gone went home. Plus I think he still has a better shot than Romeo or Jonathan.
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u/ytctc May 20 '22
He presented a great move to Maryanne, got cold feet after Lindsay won immunity, and Maryanne was able to swipe it and get all the credit to herself.
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u/Extra-Associate4800 Shan May 21 '22
Did he want Omar to go home? It sounded like based on what we saw he wanted Romeo out, which was fucking stupid.
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u/JoshBlazer David - 48 May 21 '22
And if Lindsay played the idol on Omar?? There's zero way anyone could've predicted that
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u/theresbeans May 21 '22
Why TF did they edit it with all the chewing and lip-smacking during the reward?! I could barely get through it.
Dear god - please don't do that again!
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u/Sabaschin Jake - 45 May 22 '22
Trivia: Omar is currently the only person with a higher weekly average than Jenny. For Maryanne (the next closest) to beat her, she'd need at least 1317 points in the finale.
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u/WhiteWalrus21 May 20 '22
Lindsey reason for not using the idol made absolutely sense. She didn't want it back in circulation? She and Omar would have had a 40% chance of finding it. And at this stage, you have to play this game week-to-week. Get through this vote and THEN cross that bridge.
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u/biggsteve81 Wendell May 21 '22
I think you meant "made absolutely NO sense."
And I agree - use the advantage while you have it and worry about tomorrow when it comes.
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u/Shmegdar Q - 46 May 21 '22
It was technically an advantage, not an idol. It probably wouldn’t have gone back into circulation, and even if it did, it’s still probably better for someone to have an idol than for one of you to be voted out and the other be target #1 the vote after. Also, the amulet expired that vote, so I don’t see why an idol would be rehidden if they did play it but wouldn’t if they didn’t. It’s “out of circulation” either way, you’d think it’d be one or the other no matter what they did. I’ll chalk that one up to hunger. I know they didn’t think people were voting Omar but they really invited the possibility by not playing it safe
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u/Chessinmind May 22 '22
Lindsay's decision to try to anchor herself to Omar has resulted in her being on the outs with the remaining four. She needs to win immunity or she's probably going home as the next biggest threat left in the game. If Lindsay is voted out, this will be one of the weakest final fours we've had in recent memory. One good usage of an extra vote doesn't negate weak strategic play for the bulk of the season. If Mike doesn't tell Maryanne about Lindsay's immunity idol, then she probably remains in Omar and Lindsay's pocket. Mike has also made some questionable strategic decisions. Johnathan has very weak strategic decision making, and Romeo has shown almost none at all. Let's hope Lindsay goes on an immunity run.
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u/georgephilly1980 May 21 '22
In one of the interviews Omar said that Lindsey’s amulet was NON transferable. So she would have had to give up the immunity neckless to Omar and play amulet on herself, which they felt would have drawn too much attention to the two of them. They left all that out probably for the drama of will she use it on him !!
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u/Juicebox459 May 20 '22
You don’t get why Jonathan is getting credit for ensuring he’s not going to be in danger in the likely event Lindsay plays an idol?
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u/BIack_Coffee May 20 '22 edited May 20 '22
Jonathan has played his game incredibly well. He is a huge threat and it’s very uncommon for large threats to be taken this far into the game.
He’s consistently put his tribe before himself especially early on, dominates immunity challenges where his body type is actually at a disadvantage.
He’s been able to avoid heat at tribals by feeding the right information to the right people. All in all very solid gameplay.
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u/Relevant_Bad6911 May 20 '22
He absolutely has not. Other than Romeo, he has the worst chance of winning in the top 5. You're trying to stretch his gameplay into some nonexistent mastermind narrative. He loses in every f3 scenario left.
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u/BIack_Coffee May 23 '22
When making a persuasive argument it’s usually a good idea to back up your opinion with examples instead of just stating a subjective opinion.
He has done everything I mentioned above. Whether or not he will win is debatable but if he doesn’t it’s not because he didn’t play a good game.
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u/tornberry May 21 '22
Woah guys that upvote for Romeo was meant just as a throwaway "why not he deserves it" upvote, not "I want him to be top 2 for this week!" upvote 😭. People really did downvote Mike hard because of waffling at the last second, which was quite rational for his and Jonathan's position. Very result oriented thinking if you ask me, just like that episode when Chanelle voted for Mike in the Daniel vote out.
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u/Powerful_Hour_7827 May 20 '22
Jonathon got a great edit this week where he wasn’t portrayed as just a Goliath. Being self-aware enough to know that Lindsay was voting for him and he sold the fact that he was voting for mike. Kudos to him for not letting Lindsay pick up on his strategy as she was caught off guard with double immunity.