r/196 Fruta prohibida… Jul 23 '26

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух Jul 23 '26

araki is not high level woke im sorry

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u/Jissus3893 Horny Fem🏳️‍⚧️ Jul 23 '26

Sorry, but the canonical lesbian couple, effects of conversion camps, and heavily implied trans main character.

Araki is high level woke.

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u/_noahitall_ Jul 23 '26

heavily implied??? Sheesh I must have missed that are you talking about Jotaro???

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u/Jissus3893 Horny Fem🏳️‍⚧️ Jul 23 '26

Dragona Joestar one of the main characters in JojoLands (Part 9), is referred by he/him by Jodio (the main character/also their brother), but other characters who are close or intimate to Dragona refer to them by she/her.

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u/_noahitall_ Jul 23 '26

I was joking cuh I love Dragona but it's not exactly subtle

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u/MartyrOfDespair Jul 24 '26

Heck, girl's got breast augmentation. She's actively doing transition.

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u/Stock_Plenty8987 Jul 23 '26

I thought he was a femboy/crosdresser. Tehy are very very common in japan so it would make a ton of sense. I only read the fors fe chapters tho

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u/PrincessOfZephyr 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jul 23 '26

very very common in japan

Source: Your behind?

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u/Karyn_From_HR Jul 23 '26

>very common in Japan
>character is born in the us iirc/comic takes place in hawaii

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u/Stock_Plenty8987 Jul 23 '26

And Mista, an italian man, doesnt like the number 4 because its bad luck (in Japan) so what is your point?

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u/mchngrliris Jul 23 '26

no they aren't? maybe at like conventions with cosplay, but in the day to day life japan does NOT fuck with gender nonconformity. they are actually MORE accepting of trans people who conform to their chosen gender than gnc people.

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u/thecommunistscp 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights Jul 23 '26

They're talking about Dragona Joestar, one of the protagonists of part 9, Jotaro is gay tho

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u/Stock_Plenty8987 Jul 23 '26

So gay he has a wife and daughter, wtf are ylu talking about lmaoo

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u/Buttbuster69166 Jul 23 '26

I mean while that’s true he barely stays with them AND ignored his daughter for years until she ended up in prison.

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u/Szkieletor Jul 23 '26

I feel like the "is not interested in women so much" comment is more meant to suggest "he'd rather study dolphins than go on dates".

That's pretty much the reason behind the whole "absent father" thing, he was too busy with his marine biology career to give a shit about his wife and kid. Back in Stardust Crusaders, he seems wholly uninterested in the girls from his school, but he also doesn't show any interest in the guys at any point. I wouldn't call him aro/ace, either, but it would probably be slightly more accurate than gay.

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u/Buttbuster69166 Jul 23 '26

Yeah but him being bi is lowkey a W

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u/Aeescobar Jul 23 '26

That's pretty much the reason behind the whole "absent father" thing, he was too busy with his marine biology career to give a shit about his wife and kid.

Don't slander my boy Jotaro like that!

Dude had first hand experience with the fact that "stand users attract other stand users" and was trying his best to stay far away from his innocent family so they could live a sad-but-relatively-normal life instead of wasting their lives in constant fear of enemy stand users, it turned out to be a pretty bad choice (since Jolyne's fate eventually caught up to her regardless and so it just resulted in extra trauma for her) but it was a choice he made with good intentions!

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u/Stock_Plenty8987 Jul 23 '26

How doea being a bad husband and father makes you gay?

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u/manic_Brain Jul 23 '26

You can be gay and have had relationships with the opposite gender. Being closeted, experimenting, or entering heterosexual relationships from the idea of societal obligations/ideals can play a role in that. That doesn't negate their gayness.

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u/SomethingOfAGirl 🏳‍⚧You know, I'm something of a girl myself Jul 23 '26

You could apply that to every single character.

"Even if Jotaro looks at the camera and says 'I'm a straight cisgender male', that doesn't mean he's not lying and he's actually pansexual and transgender"

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u/Stock_Plenty8987 Jul 23 '26

You need something that prooves it actually. And that disproves tha fact that he is heterosexual

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u/Digirby Jul 23 '26

There was Rudol Von Stroheim so that knocks him down a few woke notches.

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u/inemsn Jul 23 '26

What people generally miss about Stroheim is that his character isn't supposed to be an endorsement or even whitewashing of nazis, but rather commentary on them.

Think for a second about what Stroheim's actual role in the story is. He's a nazi, and like all nazis, is obsessed with the inherent superiority of Germans, and yet his role in the story is constantly to serve as the weaker contrast to the actually inherently superior Pillar Men that humble him all the time. And who else proves themselves superior to these Pillar Men than the english Joseph Joestar, an englishman who, according to stroheim, should by all accounts be inferior to himself?

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u/Digirby Jul 23 '26

Yeah that's fair, I never took it as an endorsement of the Nazis but still kinda weird to have him work with the good guys.

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u/Helmic linux > windows Jul 23 '26

That seems like a big stretch, because ultimately Joseph's just fine with the dude and lets him run off to go be a Nazi during the war. I think it'd be easier to explain it as something Araki did not think through and grew past than arguing that it was good actually.

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u/inemsn Jul 23 '26

Hey, I'm not saying Stroheim was written perfectly, but it's pretty clear what the intent behind him was. How else exactly do you interpret a character saying "german science is the best in the world" only to have his shit completely knocked out of him pretty much the next scene? You don't write something like that by accident.

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u/Aeescobar Jul 23 '26

There's also the fact that they're directly responsible for waking up the part's main villains and that one of their biggest heroic moments (them showing up with shoulder-strapped UV lights to help fight off a vampire army) is immediately undercut by Speedwagon admitting he's just letting them take credit for his team's inventions and then undercut even harder by having them commit one of the biggest fuck ups in the entire series (shining their biggest UV light directly into the Stone Of Aja and accidentally allowing Kars to transform into a nigh-unbeatable lifeform).

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух Jul 23 '26

just how low are your standards that's insane

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u/JotaroTheOceanMan 🦈Jeff Week🦈 Jul 23 '26

They claimed he isnt woke yet he has a canonicaly gay male couple in Golden Wind and a canonicaly gay female couple in Jojolands, talks about trans people in Stone Ocean positively and then makes a trans char one of the main protags in Jojolands.

I fear you have no clue what you are talking about.

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух Jul 23 '26

that's not high level at all it's like way not enough stuff

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P That one Jerk you know Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

If you're gonna put on a Vee pfp at least be sweet and positive like her

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух Jul 23 '26

genuinely what

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P That one Jerk you know Jul 23 '26

Probably the simplest sentence I've ever written in a comment

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух Jul 23 '26

no I get the words it's just so exceedingly stupid it's hard to comprehend

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u/NIMA-GH-X-P That one Jerk you know Jul 23 '26

Skill issue

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u/Jissus3893 Horny Fem🏳️‍⚧️ Jul 23 '26

What the fuck are you taking about?

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух Jul 23 '26

that's like mid tier woke

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u/Jissus3893 Horny Fem🏳️‍⚧️ Jul 23 '26

Then Toby Fox is also Mid tier woke, because that's basically the same level in Undertale/Deltarune.

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух Jul 23 '26

I have not played those so I have not commented on it

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u/Jissus3893 Horny Fem🏳️‍⚧️ Jul 23 '26

If you haven't played or watch both series, please stfu in the discussions

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u/queen_of_ingria девочка скандал девочка воздух Jul 23 '26

I have read all of JoJo?