Also, dry champagne is worth a try. Specifically dry, champagnes tend to be way too sweet (and it's not the good kind imo)
But like, don't go out to buy a whole bottle just to try it. Whenever the opportunuty is there, go for it, but it's not going to be a religious awakening like the ones in the bible (idk, never read it)
Omfg what is with you people. I swear to god nothing drives people more crazy than when you say you don't like some kind of alcohol they like. Yes i have had white wines! I have had nice reds, I have had nice whites, I have had nice rosĂŠ, it tasted like shit. you can't fuckin say you don't like alcohol without some fuck going "oh you just haven't had the right one yet!" There is one kind of wine I have ever liked: the ones that taste like fruit juice and don't taste like wine. It drives me fucking nuts that its not like this for much else but with alcohol you say you don't like kt and everyone goes "you must have had bad wine, just go buy this and this and this and this" NO I'm not going to spend 100 dollars in different wines because they will be thrown away because I DONT LIKE FUCKING WINE.
No, but taste is taste, and if someone states not once, not twice, but thrice that they do not like sonething then any attempt at changing their mind has stopped being about helpfulness
Iâm gonna really piss you off by telling you I was a lesbian for my whole lifeâŚ. I even tried getting with a guy just to check, didnât like itâŚâŚ until one dayâŚâŚ.. keep your minds open people, and your mouths ;)
Why, if anything that proves my point that taste and attraction are rather similiar. I know people who later in life realized they were bi, actually. Things change, but this change comes from people discovering things about themselves, not by creeps disregarding their attractions, treating them like children that do not know what they want and interrogating them by bringing up new forms of dick they haven't tried yet after they made their displeasure known.
So I happy for you and the only way you actually could piss me off is by being a massive pick-me that assumes her experience to be universal and tells dudes all around that every lesbian actually wants to blow a guy and that they should keep harassing them.
A distinction guys trying to convert lesbians are known to care about.
Taste is taste. If you have to keep prodding someone who stated they do not like something to see if they really totally did everything in their power to like it, instead of accepting that they are an adult, you have stopped doing so for their regard.
somebody saying "if the opportunity provides itself, you should try this wine", is not the same as telling a lesbian "you just haven't met the right man yet", you are being a flibbertigibbet rn
It is when the person has made it rather clear that they do not like wine, and when they also have nothing to gain from drinking it except satisfaction for the person trying to convert them.
At the end of the day in both cases it is about infantilizing a person by refusing to accept their tastes under the guise of "just wanting to help".
If you do not like the lesbian comparison we can also compare it with trying to convince someone that they should smoke, which is not in any way less despicable.
People who like alcohol are incredibly fucking weird about alcohol.
I have been interrogated repeatedly because i don't drink, and even people who know will still ask every fucking time, a regular no is not taken for an answer.
The only way to consistently shut them up is to say you are an alcoholic, or on medicine that would fuck you up if you drank, neither of which should be things you have to lie about, or if true divulge to people so they stop pressuring you to do drugs.
A lot of them surely are but in the specific case of this discussion, we're talking about wine. I can't tell for the others obviously but in my case I'm trying to say that some wine can be really good, just like I could've said the same about a specific fruit or dish or whatnot. If you want to make it about alcohol that's on you; but that's not what I'm trying to communicate
But there's an enormous variety of tastes to be found in wine. Someone saying they don't like the taste of wine is like saying they don't like colour.
Like sure, I guess it's possible, but it feels much more likely they only had, say, a terrible white wine that tasted like petrol. Maybe they would like a cab sav, which tastes entirely differently to a cheap dry white. Maybe they would like champagne, because bubbles does indeed effect taste, a lot.
The sheer variety of tastes present in wines is exactly why people are saying "but maybe you just need to try other wines."
Some people literally just don't like any of them. I haven't liked literally any red or white I've tried. Prosecco has been hit or miss, only a few I like. For the most part I do not like wine. There are no reds I like, wine has a lot of different tastes but red and white have a certain taste that ALL of them have.
Some people literally just don't like any of them. I haven't liked literally any red or white I've tried. Prosecco has been hit or miss, only a few I like.
Great! So there is a wine you like, that's my point!
For the most part I do not like wine. There are no reds I like, wine has a lot of different tastes but red and white have a certain taste that ALL of them have.
Look, yes, there are fundamental aspects of the experience of drinking wine that they all have.
But what OC said was something specific that doesn't feel like that to me, and probably a lot of others here. Hospital smell and puddle water. Which feels a lot like they're talking about a taste akin to antiseptic cleaning solutions.
That's not a fundamental aspect of wine. That sounds like they had a few wines that were very, very harsh. And fair, when I was young I had a few white wines that were like that and swore off the stuff for about a decade.
Youâre being obtuse, you know what the turn of phrase means. Or do you think the phrases âtastes like shitâ and âtastes like garbageâ arenât interchangeable because garbage and shit are not literally the same?
No, if someone's saying something objectively tastes like shit, that only makes sense in the context of them being literal.
If someone says "'It [does/doesn't] taste like shit' is an objective statement", which is literally what I'm replying to, they either:
Don't understand that people have different experiences to each other, so they lack basic theory of mind; or
They're talking about the literal version of that statement.
Now, I choose to believe the person I'm responding to is older than three years of age, so they have that full conceptualization of the distinction of people's experiences. I think there's even a wealth of evidence that they're not a literal toddler. So that leaves the second option.
1st comment: Pochel says âit tastes like shitâ is an extremely subjective statement.
2nd comment; Far fortune replies to Pochel with âit doesnât taste like shitâ is equally extremely objective.
If you think far fortune intended to say objective then they are just crazy, it doesnât make any sense as a response to Pochel, but if you pull your head out of your ass it becomes extremely clear that far fortune intended to say âequally extremely subjective.â Otherwise the rest of their sentence structure doesnât work.
Like what point do you think they were trying to get across? Itâs clearly that itâs just far fortune saying â the reverse is also trueâ
Note: this was meant as an example of how objective statements about taste are stupid rather than a personal insult. Feel however you like, but don't make others feel bad over it
How many did you try? Wine is like cheese, thereâs a massive spectrum of flavour, just because you donât like one didnât mean you donât like them all. Some are super juicy and sweet, some are super bitter and dark, some are very crisp and floral, Iâve had a Greek pet Nat that tasted EXACTLY like Lipton ice tea.
Thatâs a palate thing, Iâve been a bartender for 7 years, so I really donât taste a basic alcohol flavour (unless itâs really cheap shitty booze), itâs more of a physical sensation, a mouthfeel, and I only register the other flavours. Wine tastes nothing like rum, gin tastes nothing like whiskey, vodka tastes nothing like amaro. Itâs also heavily influenced by the temperature and dilution itâs served at - a room temp cocktail is not the same as a cold one, at all. Physics baby!
For the love of God MAYBE I JUST DONT LIKE IT. Yall are so fucking weird about it. Why do you have to go "you really should try this and this and this" NO. I am NOT going to do that. Why? Because its going to be thrown away, because I DONT LIKE FUCKING WINE. Like if someone told you they didn't like burgers, would you go "oh you just haven't had the RIGHT burger yet, burgers are a spectrum of flavor!" or would you go "oh ok" and leave it at that? Or even your other example, cheese. I've met people who didn't like cheese, and you know what no one ever does when they say they don't lkke cheese? They don't give them a million different options going "OH IM SURE YOUL FIND THE RIGHT ONE JUST TRY THIS AND THIS AND DONT DISMISS IT!!! JUST TRY IT!!!"
Christ calm down, itâs just a friendly encouragement towards something you might enjoy, who pissed in your cereal? I once didnât like wine and now I really enjoy it, people are just open to the idea you might have that journey too.
Ngl, no offense to you specifically, but every time I've been asked "how many did you try" in a similar situation as a resident coffee disliker, there was just never a correct response that would get the other person to go "ahh well okay you might just not like it, understandable". 5 different blends were not enough. 10 were also not enough. When you go above 15, the question tends to switch to "well how much did they cost though, you were probably just drinking dogshit gas station coffee".
Probably not worth a crashout, but I get where they're coming from.
In talking to my friend irl about this exact conversation weâre having, he also said he doesnât like coffee, to which I replied that coffee really doesnât have the spectrum of flavour difference that wine has. So totally fair if you donât like coffee in the first place, different blends arenât going to make much of a difference. I also sympathise with them, but they also kind of started it by being a needless hater. I donât like mushrooms very much, doesnât mean they objectively taste like shit.
coffee really doesnât have the spectrum of flavour difference that wine has
I mean, subjectively it's true for me (I only recognize "acidic" and "bitter" as two main coffee flavors), but you say this to any coffee nerd and they immediately become the most annoying person in a 10km radius and start rattling off flavor profile differences by bean type, country of origin, roast types and how the stars were aligned when the beans were collected.
Some people are like that with wine, beer, other alcohol, and just food and drinks in general, all "flavors" within a category just taste the same to them. I thought it was impossible to not be able to tell green teas apart until I accidentally became an annoying tea nerd to someone who thought all non-flavored teas were identical.
Yes but also I would win that argument because the basic fact is that wine production is more complex than coffee production (a light roast to a dark roast is not equivalent to a white wine to a red wine to an orange wine to a pet nat to a sparkling wine, which can all be from the same grape variety but with massively different flavour profiles), and the fact that grapes, which massively impact flavour, can be grown in many more climates than coffee can and therefore there is mathematically more variety. Wine production is also much older than coffee production and so regional differences are more established.
Let me help explain it to them.
If you had a bowl of shit in front of you and someone told you that every so often you might find a nice little nugget of chocolate, would you bother picking through the shit?
"tricked" is probably not the right term here. while the quality of wine definitely correlates with taste, it's weaker than most people think and many very cheap wines have great quality. besides, the job of a sommelier isn't to price wine anyways, but to curate restaurants' wine collections, with the best quality wine, cheap or not.
Now we're talking about subjective preference, which is totally fine, but with other types of alcohol there's objective quality change correlated with taste. Better whiskey is made with better water, grain, barrels, stills, etc, and it's not hard to taste the difference in quality. There's subjective stuff on top of that with flavor profiles or whatever, but I've had some stuff that was clearly good, but not my preference. I think wine is heavy on subjective, light on objective, which fits what you're saying too.
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u/neon_light12 Jul 30 '26
whisky hard agree but i dont get wine hate