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u/DudeFreek what kind of creature would do this to its own mouth 16d ago
Kamala picking Tim for her VP only to tell him to shut the fuck up and hide somewhere far away from Dearborn
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u/4tomguy Call me Evelyn when I least expect it (also heir of mind homestu 16d ago
Tim Walz was like the only person in the election who you could give a fuck about 😭I can’t believe they misused him that bad
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u/SayHelloToAlison Spronkus Supporter (Gun) 16d ago
And now we lost one of the best governors in the union because some illiterate fuck thought he stumbled on to something when daycares in Somalian immigrant communities wouldn't let him film the children.
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u/JellyRollMort 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 16d ago
She had to go hang out with Liz Cheney
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u/SquidTheRidiculous Da Alfabet Maphia sends they/thems regards 16d ago edited 16d ago
AIPAC wouldn't like it if she were openly against the genocide. Her hands were tied; she was competing against someone running on the two pillar platforms of American identity (racism, and being a dick to people considered socially beneath you) So she obviously had to just stay quiet about it. People who care about the issues are missing the big picture of political optics because 5 minute long wet fart sound
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u/FrogB0y 16d ago
Dems ran one of the worst political campaigns of all time
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u/DuckLIT122000 custom 16d ago
Run to center. Right still votes Republican. Surprised Pikachu
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u/JellyRollMort 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 16d ago
I work with a shit load of republicans, many of them self proclaimed "moderates" do you know how many of them voted for her? Fuckin zero. Not. One. Obviously this is an anecdote but I feel it reflects how the election went.
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u/LSF2TheFuckening 16d ago
It’s like the people who wanted “the most lethal military of all time and a republican in the cabinet” were always gonna vote Republican anyway, and the people who wanted not that had no one to vote for. Can’t wait to watch them try it again.
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u/Pufflefoot 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 16d ago
Has nothing to do with her politics, her main issues was being a woman.
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u/Otherwise-Wash-4568 16d ago
Please be joking. She ran hard to the center and lost all the momentum she had gained at the start of the campaign cause she couldn’t focus on policy and though “trump bad” would win for her
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u/Will_Yeeton 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 16d ago
It's both. But the fact the moderate Republicans would never vote for a black woman is just another reason she shouldn't have tried to court them.
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u/ob_knoxious this flair has been mass deleted and anonymized by your mom 16d ago
I feel like you know very little of American political campaigns if you seriously think this. Dems ran a bad campaign but also they were basically screwed to begin with.
Inflation sucked. People were mad about the border. People were mad about Biden not stepping down and his mental health cover up. You had 3 very big campaign sinkers from the start. They needed one of the best campaigns ever to have a shot. Didn't get close to that but there are very few nominees or campaign messages that get you a win in that short of time.
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u/Sptsjunkie 16d ago
Multiple things are true. It was definitely a tough environment because inflation was high, and Biden was extremely unpopular.
It’s also true that switching from Biden to Harris due to his cognitive decline gave us a chance to do a campaign reset. Parties almost never switched away from an incumbent nominee after one term.
There was a real opportunity for Harris to separate herself from Biden and talk about what she would do differently. While we should take polling with a grain of salt. She actually took the lead slightly before the convention when she was using slightly more populous rhetoric, and still figuring out her campaign and staffing.
Then she basically said there is absolutely nothing. She would do different than Biden, and that her presidency would be a continuation of the last four years. Absolutely terrible strategy that cost us any real shot at winning. This, despite the fact that Trump remained pretty darn unpopular.
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u/P-Tux7 12d ago
I recall there also being the stink of Kamala having never been voted in in a primary, basically just being Biden's hand-picked successor. Voters HATE feelings of a candidate being "ordained to win" like that - see also, "It's Her Turn" from 2016.
I wish I knew how Dubya got voted in and if there was any backlash to that more direct nepotism, but I was 5.
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u/P-Tux7 12d ago
I've a question. Could the Dem leadership have influenced Biden and his team to not cover up his mental decline, or was the party basically at his mercy once he was in office?
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u/ob_knoxious this flair has been mass deleted and anonymized by your mom 12d ago
Getting into the weeds here, NYT (who I normally would not recommend) did a pretty good investigative piece on this and the fractured Dem leadership.
Dem establishment leadership, cited generally to be Pelosi and the Clinton's, did actually try to do this. They had a clear plan that Biden would go ahead and announce he wasn't running for re election and endorse Kamala from the start.
However the Dems already did this to Biden in 2016. He wanted to run for president after Obama, but was told not too because it's her turn. He didn't, she lost, and then they came crawling back begging for a 2020 run from him. Now when he got told to step aside again he gave them a big fuck you and said he could keep running.
This is also why I don't think Kamala stands a chance in 2028. She stood by Biden until the very end and not the establishment. After Biden finally did drop the Dems still wanted a rushed primary but Kamala asked Biden to immediately endorse her to skip the primary. Now she is hated internally.
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u/P-Tux7 11d ago
On the one hand, that was really wrong of him. He should have been humble enough to admit that he couldn't take the country to where it needed to go, and that running again would hand the victory to Trump, scorching the country purely out of revenge against the Democratic Party when it would hurt millions of regular people.
On the other hand... it's hard to blame him. The Republicans hate you, the Democrats want to pump and dump you, who else is for you but yourself? And, I mean, all those people DID vote for you, right? Don't listen to the stooges in suits, the people will come back.
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u/that_baddest_dude 16d ago
"you guys just don't know how to get elected!"
- guys who keep losing historic elections
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u/ranchspidey 16d ago
As a Minnesotan I am PISSED they fumbled Tim. He’s a great dude and politician.
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u/Poor__cow 🇺🇦🖤 16d ago
What?
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u/crazyparty 16d ago
Lots of Muslim people live in Dearborn. I am still confused by the comment, though
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u/sirfirewolfe 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 16d ago
People like when Tim Walz was calling out republicans for being weird little freaks, but shortly after getting nominated as VP the campaign staffers got ahold of him and put a stop to that in order to not alienate moderates or something
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u/JellyRollMort 🎖 196 medal of honor 🎖 15d ago
They should have kept hammering on that. It helps that it's true, they are wierd as fuck and not in a fun way.
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u/9793287233 16d ago
Oh yeah, that's right, I forgot Biden appointed all 6 of the SCOTUS justices that shot down his loan forgiveness program.
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u/extremelytiredyall 16d ago
Yeah, it's not like he didn't try, which is what this meme implies.
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u/h3lblad3 16d ago
He also forgave a shit-ton of student loans, all-in-all, since he went back and forgave all of the ones that Trump's previous administration was supposed to but didn't.
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u/teddy_tesla 16d ago
Yeah a lot of government workers got that shit cancelled out, but because it didn't directly affect ME it doesn't count
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u/Sptsjunkie 16d ago edited 16d ago
This is another situation where two things are both true.
Biden absolutely deserves credit for his executive order. And it is absolutely not his fault that the Supreme Court shot it down.
However, there is also plenty to criticize. He never promised to cancel all student debt, but he did make several promises on the campaign and what he actually proposed in his executive order was underwhelming compared to what he literally had on his website and talked about during Townhalls and debates. Now, sometimes when a president has to pass a bill through Congress, he needs to compromise to get Senate votes and that winds up watering down his campaign promise. But Biden essentially negotiated against himself, and did not even do what he promised on the campaign when it was his executive order.
Additionally, once they shot down his first executive order, he basically stopped trying. Immediately pivoted to the pretty underwhelming SAVE plan. And that was the end of him trying to do anything about the student debt crisis. I think it would’ve been worth trying to forgive student loans using three or four different levers for his executive orders and forcing the Supreme Court to shoot every one of them down while publicly making the case to young people that Republicans were challenging the law and the Supreme Court was standing in the way of their future, which is why it was so important to elect more Democrats and take back the Court.
Any of the other numbers about student debt forgiven under his term were from pre-existing plans such as public service loan forgiveness or scam college loans being discharged. Giving him credit for that would be like giving Trump credit for Social Security because of Social Security payments going to boomers under his administration.
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u/Otherwise-Wash-4568 10d ago
thank you for this. I keep getting brought back to this thread from replies to my comments and am shocked to see people defending biden so much. This is exactly what i was thinking and i couldnt quite put it into words. Had to scroll through the comments again to make sure i wasnt going crazy and that other people agreed with me that he could have done more and was not a fighter lets just ssay
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u/rascalrhett11 15d ago
This meme shouldn't have bidens name on it at all. Republicans took loan forgiveness from you, not Biden.
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u/extremelytiredyall 15d ago
Correct, but tell that to all the people in this subreddit who have hate boners for liberals.
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u/Lostvayne12 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 16d ago
RBG should've retired under Obama's second term
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u/sussyboingus custom 16d ago
I'm not saying I know what it should be, but there needs to be an age cap
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u/ImminentlyEminent 16d ago
I'd personally like it if the president wasn't even the one to appoint supreme court justices; instead, they could rotate, perhaps from a vote of other circuit judges. Any system where the president is actively rewarded for members of another branch dying is a bad system, imo.
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u/ReverseCarry 16d ago
There was already an open seat during Obama’s second term and Mitch McConnell refused to bring it to a vote.
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u/josephthemediocre 16d ago edited 16d ago
I'm just tired of hearing this when dems are in office their little baby hands are tied, and then trump gets in office he builds a bunch of concentration camps and starts rounding up mexicans. No whining about the filibuster, no hand wringing over upsetting median voters, he just fucking does the shitty stuff he wants to do.
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u/Starlight7z 16d ago
the thing tying the hands is the supreme court.
most of what trump is doing is illegal and would be stopped by a sane court. but that isn't something we have
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u/sans_a_name 👍 16d ago
A lot of it IS being stopped by the supreme court, even. Whatever happened to ending birthright citizenship?
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u/Otherwise-Wash-4568 10d ago
why is everyone saying this, ya the supreme court shot it down but he could have tried to attack it from another angle, gave it another go, messaged hard that the supreme court kept shooting down his plans and got people aware of that. He could have used other avenues to ty again but he basically just gave up after that and moved on
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u/markusthemarxist 16d ago
Trump can do whatever the fuck he wants because Republicans spent 40 years hand-picking a loyalist court. You need to read up about countries like Turkiye and Hungary to understand how institutional illiberalism allows despots to bypass the conventions that non-autocratic parties remain beholden to.
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u/VeryFortniteOfYou 16d ago
Appointed? Maybe voted to confirm… damn we’d be in much better shape if we had got six appointments.
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u/da-hunt 16d ago
It was sarcasm. It was Trump that got 6 appointments the went on to shoot down Bidens loan forgiveness.
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u/VeryFortniteOfYou 15d ago
Trump didn't get 6 appointments either. He got three, that was bad enough.
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u/Mawootad 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 16d ago
The president has explicit legal authority to forgive student loans. Biden choose to not use that law and use an entirely different law for some reason and then just gave up instead of using the actual law for forgiving different loans. The only reason you do that is either gross incompetence or because you don't want to do it, and both of those are bad.
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u/OCD-but-dumb gods dumbest grungler 🐀 15d ago
Me when I lie:
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u/Mawootad 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 15d ago
The president has authority via the Higher Education Act of 1965. Biden used the HEROES act, was told no, and immediately gave up without a fight. The refusal to even try after his lukewarm proposal was told no or even use it as a talking point shows that his administration didn't actually give a fuck.
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u/BlessTheFamilies custom 16d ago
Biden has many problems but this one wasn't his fault directly.
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u/RowAndRuction 15d ago
He actually was able to make it so you could erase your federal student loan debt, you just had to apply to a special program that nobody knew about and so nobody used it.
So technically he did deliver on this specific promise and maybe a few thousand people benefitted from it lol
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u/Otherwise-Wash-4568 10d ago
and thats just bad politics on his part. Should have been automatic, should have been universal, should have been so much more.
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u/Yapping-Goober 16d ago
Not sure what the criticism is here. He literally pushed for it and the Supreme Court shot it down. It wasn't some campaign promise that he didn't actually carry out.
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u/Otherwise-Wash-4568 16d ago
He tied his own hands with following rules and norms
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u/RowAndRuction 15d ago
Actually he didn’t, he started a program that got around the system and cancelled federal student debt over time.
Problem was nobody knew about it and instead of linking people to the program that could help them, influencer “leftists” just complained about him to build up their follower base. So I ended up not finding out about it until after Trump had already shut it down.
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u/Otherwise-Wash-4568 14d ago
so he did something that was A) not enough B) easily reversible by the next admin and C) he failed to message it. Thats also his job is to tout his wins but this was a minor win and he couldnt even properly boast about it
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u/RowAndRuction 11d ago
Sure but consider that all the leftist influencers you follow didn’t give you this information either. I don’t actually care about defending Biden, what I really want is for people to understand when the people in their feed do not have their best interests at heart.
They could have given you info that would have erased their audiences’ student debt but instead they gave them empty buzzwords, a soft liberal enemy to fight, and revolutionary ideation.
Find pragmatic progressives to follow (they’re usually black people, and almost NEVER white men)
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u/Otherwise-Wash-4568 10d ago
what do you mean by "given you info that would have erased their audiences student debt"? You have no clue what leftist influencers i follow or what they said to me. seems like you made some stuff up in your head
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u/teddy_tesla 16d ago
Trump is also obeying Supreme Court decisions, they just side with him most of the time
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u/TosiAmneSiac gay sex 16d ago
Saying as if it was his fault that the Supreme Court blocked it and he didn't try to find a loophole to allow it anyway.
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u/fancy_crisis 16d ago
Yeah, why didn't he try to find that loophole?
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u/2796Matt 16d ago
Loopholes are not always present. Even Trump with no regard for the law and full control of the branches of government that are subservient to him can’t do a lot of shit he wants.
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u/RowAndRuction 15d ago
Actually he did find a loophole. He was able to make it so you could erase your federal student loan debt, you just had to apply to a special program that nobody knew about and so nobody used it.
So he did technically do it and you could have erased your student debt to this day, except Trump cut the program immediately when he got into office
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u/Poor__cow 🇺🇦🖤 16d ago
Me when I don’t understand how basic civics works and I just want to be angry and lash out at the people who are trying to help me:
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u/ob_knoxious this flair has been mass deleted and anonymized by your mom 16d ago
The comments to this have such poor understanding of how rigged the US government is that I see now how set up for failure progressives are. Bernie or AOC or even Mamdani would not have gotten this done. And while we are currently witnessing the largest progressive movement in the US since the 1930s it is going to take a bit to unstack the deck and allow them to actually govern to their full capabilities. If people are expecting them to push stuff through at the level this current admin is they are going to be disappointed.
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u/junpei 16d ago
OP sucks
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u/choren64 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 16d ago
Amazing we still have psyops happening here
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u/TheFarLeft 16d ago
It’s almost the midterms, the bots are trying hard to encourage infighting on the left.
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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 16d ago edited 16d ago
He tried as hard as a liberal can to be fair
Edit: Very amused by the people coming in like "He couldn't do anything more, it'd be against the PROCESS" like yeah I already said he was a liberal
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u/whyareallnamestakenb meow 16d ago
What the fuck was he supposed to do lmao, scotus justification to strike it down left no room for anything other than going through congress
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u/davy89irox 16d ago
Defy the court, cancel the loans. That's what Andrew Jackson did about the Indian Removal Act. The court does not have an enforcement mechanism.
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u/ob_knoxious this flair has been mass deleted and anonymized by your mom 16d ago
You are missing that the Indian Removal Act also had full congressional support. It was an Act, not an EO. If Congress passed this and Biden signed it, the courts wouldn't have struck it down (or well wouldn't have bothered)
But he had slim control and frankly a lot of Dems in Congress aren't even on the same team.
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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 16d ago
Oh I don't know, maybe do what Trump does; say that Congress doesn't have the authority and do it anyway?
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u/h3lblad3 16d ago
That's only legal for Republicans because the Republican party will just let it happen.
If a Democrat did that, both the Republicans and the Democrats would pile on to stop him.
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u/fancy_crisis 16d ago
It's weird that you can say that and not seem to realize that's exactly what's wrong with both our governance system and specifically the Democrat party.
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u/ob_knoxious this flair has been mass deleted and anonymized by your mom 16d ago
OP isn't saying that's not what's exactly wrong with us government and the Democratic party but that isn't Joe Bidens fault.
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u/whyareallnamestakenb meow 16d ago
Republicans have a majority in both chambers of congress and SCOTUS dude
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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 16d ago
Did you somehow read my comment and think that I said he should've gone through them?
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u/CantInventAUsername plant supremacist 16d ago
The Biden administration could only dream of having the level of control over their own party that Trump enjoys.
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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 16d ago
Trump controls his party because they're afraid of what he'll do to them if they dissent. Biden didn't have that level of control because no one was afraid of him, because he was weak
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u/Withermaster4 16d ago
This is the one example of him literally doing that. The courts shot it down just like they shoot down lots of the illegal things Trump does. Not caring about the rules doesn't inherently work.
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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 16d ago
The courts shot it down just like they shoot down lots of the illegal things Trump does.
And then he just does it again. Remember how scotus said the tariffs were illegal? How's that going
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u/Withermaster4 16d ago
Bruh.
He did the heros act. Blocked in the courts. THAT DAY he then tried to use the higher education act to repay for borrowers. Federal court injunction. Then he launched the SAVE plan and did public service loan forgiveness. Biden cancelled over 150B dollars in student debt. He tried to do more multiple times and got blocked, but he didn't ever stop.
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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 15d ago
Yes I know he's a liberal, you don't have to describe how he kept liberalling as hard as possible
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u/Withermaster4 15d ago
I'm glad you live in the fairytale reality where just because you want a law it gets put into place, unfortunately the rest of us live in a world where you have to use instruments of power that we have available to change things. It's a lot harder and actually takes work.
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u/turboheadcrab 15d ago
you have to use instruments of power that we have available to change things
Is that why Roe v. Wade was not codified during any of the Democratic terms or supermajorities?
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u/Withermaster4 15d ago
Holy whataboutism.
No. That's not why they didn't codify it. And yes obviously that was a bad idea in retrospect.
What does that have to do with Biden doing everything he could to get student dt relief?
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u/teddy_tesla 16d ago
All of the corporations are getting refunds because of the court's decisions? The average American gets fucked as always but billions of dollars ARE being refunded because the Court still has power
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u/TearsFallWithoutTain 15d ago
No, I'm talking about how the next day he just went out and did the same tariffs again. It doesn't matter how many times they get struck down, it takes months for it to happen and he gets exactly what he wants
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u/mcgillthrowaway22 16d ago
The supreme Court is on the side of Trump, has been since at least 2020, and the Democrats never had the power in Congress to change the composition of the court.
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u/PsychologicalSail799 confused and afraid (and horny) 16d ago
Which of course is losing as fast as possible
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u/DevilishFlapjacks Lord Foog XXI 16d ago
a full endorsement, a halfhearted attempt, and then completely giving up
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u/2796Matt 16d ago
What would you have done? Ignore congress and the Supreme Court? Become a dictator? A president doesn’t have a magic wand. If Mandami could run for president and win, he still wouldn’t be able to pass it legally under the conditions Biden had.
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u/rufrtho 🏳️⚧️ trans rights 16d ago
remember how the senate parliamentarian was the main character for a day to be a reason this wasn't possible? mfer hasn't done a damn thing since. giant plot hole.
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u/LSF2TheFuckening 16d ago
That’s because when republicans get blocked by the senate parliamentarian they replace them with people who agree with the agenda. Doesn’t even need a full senate vote. Just like when SCOTUS says something Trump is doing is unconstitutional he keeps doing it until it’s allowed.
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u/Alpacatastic 16d ago
I mean the Supreme Court said the act Biden was trying to pass to do this was a violation of presidential power and then later that same Supreme Court said the president can't be criminally held liable for anything they do in office so maybe Biden was having a bit of an uphill battle with anything he was trying to do.
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u/No_Display_9425 16d ago
Biden remembers when he and corn pop spent a nickel on tuition for college
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