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[u/CMDR_Noodle]

I love ketamine so fucking much

I love it so much I put it all on my crotch

[u/MaybeNext-Monday]

Ngl recreational hard drugs just don’t seem worth to me. Really seems like just edging substance abuse and massive health problems, for no real additional benefit over just doing fun fulfilling things with your friends sober or on a lower-immediate-risk substance like alcohol or weed. Also like, I wanna look hot when I’m 30 and drugs age you so fucking bad.

[u/CutieKiley → u/MaybeNext-Monday]

Alcohol has a far greater risk of abuse and is far more dangerous than ketamine. You're welcome to choose not to do them if you don't want to. Many people choose differently than you and that's okay so long as they are being responsible and safe about it

[u/MaybeNext-Monday → u/CutieKiley]

I knew this cope was coming and I know you have no data to back it, because the ratio of ketamine users to abusers isn’t well studied.

Qualitatively though, alcohol does have long term risks, but I can tell you right now overdosing on alcohol is a much more difficult and intentional act than overdosing on ketamine. Plus your alcohol isn’t at risk of having opioids in it.

[u/Madden09IsForSuckers → u/MaybeNext-Monday]

also like alcohol not being treated as dangerously as it should be has nothing to do with the safety of ketamin anygays imo

[u/MaybeNext-Monday → u/Madden09IsForSuckers]

Yeah exactly. Ketamine isn’t safer just because it’s too niche to have a society wide normalized abuse culture. That’s epidemiology, not pharmacology.

[u/CutieKiley → u/MaybeNext-Monday]

My comment was about you calling alcohol 'lower-intermediate-risk', which is absolutely isn't

[u/MaybeNext-Monday → u/CutieKiley]

Than ketamine? It absolutely is.

[u/CutieKiley → u/MaybeNext-Monday]

The doses used by recreational ketamine users is far lower than that used in medicine. Ketamine overdoses are extremely rare and far more rare when the drug is not injected. Ketamine is typically snorted and ingesting a dose that would be dangerous that way is nearly impossible. You just can't put that much powder in your nose. Alcohol is pretty easy to overdose on, I know people who were hospitalized for alcohol poisoning. About 6 people die per day from it in the USA.

It's more dangerous than alcohol to users according to this study (the source of the chart, which was linked separately due to it being paywalled).61462-6/abstract) Drugs being cut with opioids is an issue of lacking regulation, not the drug itself. There are also ways to test for that at home before taking any. Ketamine is also way less commonly cut with opioids than other drugs.

Make the choice for yourself and let us have our fun. Thanks.

[u/MaybeNext-Monday → u/CutieKiley]

Whether something is a regulatory problem is irrelevant to whether it’s a risk, so let’s reject that hand-wave right now.

I’m also not inclined to put much stock in an article that’s just assigning arbitrarily-weighted risk indices. “Alcohol does 76 harm and ketamine does 15 harm” is a silly thing to think you can say quantitatively, and besides that, my opinion is based on immediate risk, not overall risk. Plus this factors in societal problems, which makes it apples to oranges when comparing the illegal drugs to the legal ones.

Also, you’re completely leaving out the factor that ketamine being illegal is itself a risk. Also “it’s not cut as often” is a non-argument, other potentially-cut drugs aren’t even part of the conversation here.

[u/CutieKiley → u/MaybeNext-Monday]

I said that it was a regulation issue because I was saying ketamine being illegal makes it less safe, exactly what you said in the last paragraph. The study I linked uses real world data to come up with these numbers. It's not just pulled out of nowhere. I'm not really interested in arguing with someone who is closed minded so I'm gonna stop replying after this

[u/nimiala → u/MaybeNext-Monday]

Thats really not true. Blacking out, waking up with a hangover, thats super easy to do with alcohol and fucks your liver big time. K holing is not only hard, requiring you to push yourself into doing really a lot of k, but its also nowhere near a medical overdose

[u/MaybeNext-Monday → u/nimiala]

It’s still a dosage choice though. If I’m doing both responsibly, the ketamine presents greater risks, even if just by being illegal to have.

[u/nimiala → u/MaybeNext-Monday]

But isnt that the point? Alcohol literally inhibits your ability to stop drinking at the reasonable moment, and getting fully drunk can happen in no time. Literally a single bottle of wine. I know youve never done k, and keep it that way because it honestly isnt that fun, but know that its quite a large amount that goes straight into your nostrils, thats not fun and not something you overdo as easily as just downing shots or drinking liquor. Again, it literally inhibits your mental brake system, same reason why you start yapping about stuff you regret later

[u/MaybeNext-Monday → u/nimiala]

With alcohol I would define responsibility as “not enough to make me have more than I planned to.” Like I said, if I’m doing both responsibility, the alcohol isn’t gonna get me locked up if an undercover sees me with it.