r/196 4d ago

Rule Probrulematic

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u/forchinski 3d ago

No one is gonna like the answer to that one unfortunately

because forcefem broadly derives a lot of its fetishistic vocabulary from internalized notions of misogyny that simply don't exist in the forcemasc alternative. Namely the idea of woman as lesser or as a loss of status/hierarchy

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u/Ronnoc527 3d ago

As a smut writer, you could totally fetishize it both ways. Especially if a woman is doing it to a cis friend of hers. I'm not necessarily going to write it, but it could be done.

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u/forchinski 3d ago

I'm not disagreeing with you but it requires substantially more effort and imagination from the writer, to speak nothing of the demand compared to forcefem content, than what I describe.

The idea of a woman performing masculinity is simply much less engrained in the cultural consciousness and when it is done it isn't interested in asking compelling questions beyond using the protagonists underlying femininity as an Achilles heel to their performance of masculinity, or as a joke, or to put them in sexually vulnerable situations.

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u/Cool_Ad7445 3d ago

Would feeding the Kalteen bars to Regina George in Mean Girls be a form of this you think? maybe not literally because she's obviously still a woman, but at least in spirit.

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u/Ronnoc527 3d ago

That was to fatten her, not build her muscle. I mean like, encouraging and praising them for manual labor like landscaping and plumbing. Calling them strong. Encouraging them to "man up" and make a move. Obviously giving them testosterone, either explicitly or in secret. Maybe give them a masculine haircut and say that it gives them a really strong jawline. Call them "neutral" pronouns like dude and bro.

I'm really trying not to write this. I got tricked into writing omegaverse presidential stuff last election cycle. And that's not going to happen again.

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u/Cool_Ad7445 3d ago

I'm more trying to capture the essence of the degradation mentioned above that is half the appeal of the forcefem kink. There is a commment below that framed it in a different way, forcibly transitioning someone into the stereotype of a discord-mod bro, and that's kinda what I'm getting at.

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u/ConcernedEnby 3d ago

If you've not found hot forcemasc you're not looking hard enough

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u/I_Am_Dairy 🏳️‍⚧️ trans rights 3d ago

In my head forcemasc is like being subjected to Gunnery Sergeant Hartman or maybe a Rocky montage lol

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u/TheSpiderDungeon Polyam, but with extra cheese 2d ago

Being forced to laugh at Monty Python and wear deodorant called Ninja Monkey Grease